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Are you human?

 
  

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Yay Paul
22:19 / 12.06.02
No fair parties always end early *sniff*

I could be persuaded to think I was a cat if the money was right...
And where do I get one of these squid heads!
 
 
that
22:44 / 12.06.02
I thought about commenting, Ria...but in the end, I just couldn't be bothered, and I wasn't sure exactly what I'd say. I still don't know what to say, except to dole out that weak bromide: each to their own. As long as Otherkin don't use their identity as an excuse to perform non-consensual activities, what difference does it actually make to 'mundanes' whether or not they/we understand? On the face of it, it is not significantly weirder than the notion we have souls, or that there is a god. Just less widespread.
 
 
that
22:46 / 12.06.02
That should have read: what difference does it actually make to 'mundanes' whether or not they/we understand or believe?
 
 
that
22:55 / 12.06.02
Just saw Monkey's post. You might want to bear in mind that many of your points describe a hell of a lot of people who identify quite happily as fully human (or would never bother to even consider that there was an alternative). And how about not judging and dismissing the beliefs and lifestyle and identity of an entire group of people in such a fucking piss-takey fashion? You try that with any other group, and you will get half of Barbelith jumping down your throat, quite rightly. Looks like it's just me this time.
 
 
enough
23:22 / 12.06.02
I am an intoxicated,drug riddled bunny rabbit...
 
 
The Monkey
00:29 / 13.06.02
Cholister,

At the risk of sounding like a Star Trek episode, I think what defines "humanity" is the attempt to define ourselves as something "other" than what the physiological and genetic data that assembles us. That is simply the nature of the social process. Underlying the sarcasm is an intellectual interest in the process of collective-formation...but this thread is in the conversation rather than the head shop/magick/laboratory, so I ain't going to flog myself over being silly rather than profound.

And I mock everybody, including myself...there was an intended irony to defining myself as a monkey, then pisstaking everyone else for being elves. Perhaps I should have used capital letters of flaming neon plasma twenty feet high to make sure everybody noticed.

And if I sound a little irritable maybe I am just a bit tired because I believe that specialness comes out of effort, kindness, generosity, and one's actions rather than sollipsistic self-definitions of how different we all are. If there's one thing that I would qualify as a "decadent Western phenomenon," it would be this belief that the worth and significance is intrinsic rather than earned.
 
 
Ria
13:54 / 13.06.02
Cholister, I don't nessecarily believe in (g/G)od(s) or souls either.

a neat short story called "The Cage" by A. Betram Chandler has this plot... humans stranded on other planet (some fungus has eated their clothes) get put in a zoo by aliens. the aliens release them once they notice that one of the humans has made a pet of one of the local lifeforms and keeps the creature in a home-made cage.

I thought of this when I read about the gorilla (Koko?) who had a pet kitten.
 
 
Ria
13:55 / 13.06.02
but as for the Otherkin it sadly gives them a reason to feel discriminated against if feel the need to feel discriminated against more than they do.
 
 
that
14:04 / 13.06.02
Guess what? I can't be bothered to respond. It is simply not worth the effort. I will say though, Ria, I did not imply that you believed in G/god/s or souls, simply that a lot of people would frown upon any desire to deny others the right to do so.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:09 / 13.06.02
I'm not like you. I don't know which one of us that makes human, if either.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
15:17 / 13.06.02
I'm deeply disappointed to announce that my cyborghood has been put off by my marked healthiness. Apparently it's unnecessary, and therefore not to be desired. I tried to explain that I've spent my life waiting for my first post-human implant technology, but this cut no ice.

Rats.
 
 
Persephone
16:02 / 13.06.02
Arrrgh, my gaucheness can no longer be repressed... what kind of implant?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
16:53 / 13.06.02
Bundle of drugs and stuff to control my otherwise wonky body chemistry. Alas, it turns out the oral medication is working just fine. Boring and foul-tasting though it is.

Any lingering exhaustion and crabbiness is all my own work.

Which is not to say I'm not looking forward to advances in technology which will allow me to order my body to produce different levels of different chemicals on a casual basis, thereby giving me mood control.

But that's a whole 'nother level of medical interference.
 
 
Persephone
13:14 / 14.06.02
Hey ho, that could be a whole 'nother thread...
 
 
Chuckling Duck
15:20 / 14.06.02
As a genuine wee fairy with wings, I am deeply offended by the Otherkin’s attempt to appropriate my racial identity. You’re suburban white kids from the heartland...deal with it.
 
 
Ria
15:46 / 14.06.02
Cholister... yeah, I did not believe that you referred to me in particular... I only mentioned that in passing. I think though the majority believes in deities and souls* though as opposed to a minority who wouldn't label themselves human.

friends?

* -- based on statistics about world religions.
 
  

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