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Are you human?

 
  

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Rage
11:20 / 10.06.02
This is serious, though I usually am not.

I'm trying to find out who believes that they're human here, who honestly believes that they're something else, and who isn't quite sure.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:14 / 10.06.02
What are the terms, here?

Like, "I am God's Special Angel and made of light?" Or something more physical, like those "otherkin" people, who believe they're really faeries? Or the tiger-tattoo guy, who honestly believes he can change his species? Or transhumanist?

As for me, I'm content in the knowledge that I am a bag of guts, relentlessly physical and subject to all that flesh is heir to: my shit stinks, and my destiny is maggot-bait.

On the other hand, I do believe in the soul: I don't buy the purely mechanistic electrochemical model of consciousness.

So: I am not made of light, but maybe something in me is.

Is this what you're looking for?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
12:18 / 10.06.02
There are six billion of us. We define what is 'human'. If we're it, it's human. So, yes.

I'm about to take a small step towards cyborgism - it seems likely I will shortly have a medical implant. Will that make me not human? Nope.

'Human' looks like a movable feast.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:42 / 10.06.02
I don't know.
 
 
Fist of Fun
12:42 / 10.06.02
I suppose that there are two answers to this:

(i) I, and all others who have unity with the set of Essential Human Characteristics, whilst at the same time not having exceeded the (scientifically/culturally/historically defined?) maximum permitted value of the set of Non-Human Characteristics, are human. A sort of Wittgenstein-ian cluster definition of humanity. What the first and second sets consist of (and the weighting structure of the latter) is well beyond me. I imagine that Nick's implant would rate a very low point score in the second set. Unless it's a really big implant, that allows him to mind-meld or something...

(ii) I am human, and so is everyone that looks, acts and (possibly) smells like me. Everyone else is an untermensch, towards whom I am permitted to behave in a deeply inhumane manner because, well, they aren't human.

I prefer the former. I suspect that the latter is more usually used.
 
 
suds
12:43 / 10.06.02
yesterday i did a whoopsie and said to my boy, well, i'm only human.
we're all united by gas.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
12:45 / 10.06.02
i'm human.

this time round, anyway.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:51 / 10.06.02
Don't aliens/fae/transhumans fart then?
 
 
that
12:54 / 10.06.02
I posted about this in the Head Shop a while back...wondering if it was possible to identify as non-human... in that thread, Haus provided this link about Otherkin, which is worth reposting here.

I am probably human, and even imagine I would pass that fun and fascistic Bene Gesserit test if given the chance. However, I am so unaware of my body that I really might as well only exist from the eyes up more than half the time. Human yes, but doubtless not taking advantage of all that human form has to offer.
 
 
Rage
16:51 / 10.06.02
::dissapointed::

I was anticipating some creative delusions relating to what you guys think you are, ya know?

The night is still young, I guess.
 
 
Traz
16:53 / 10.06.02
I'm human and so are the cats who wander around my neighborhood.

Dunno 'bout the dogs, though. They might be stupid humans.
 
 
bitchiekittie
16:55 / 10.06.02
"creative delusions"

my only active delusions center around the power of chocolate
 
 
Morlock - groupie for hire
16:56 / 10.06.02
Not even sure any of you people exist. I am human only if I choose to be. But I am always myself.

Which is a pain, sometimes.
 
 
Trijhaos
16:58 / 10.06.02
Human? Pfffbbtt. Of course, I'm not human. See, a few years ago, I came across documents that told me what I really am. I'm a bioweapon engineered by God. On my 20 birthday, I will come into my full power and I will wipe the earth clean of silly human things. Oh yes, soon the day will come when the earth is pure again and penguins can frolic free without fear of some filthy human hunting them for their secret brain juice.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:02 / 10.06.02
Sometimes I think I'm a badger. Usually I'm mostly dog.
 
 
Ganesh
17:26 / 10.06.02
I'm as human as the next man. Who is ZoCher.
 
 
grant
19:29 / 10.06.02
Bear, then?
 
 
Grey Area
19:49 / 10.06.02
Human. 100%. Got the papers to prove it and everything.
 
 
alas
20:32 / 10.06.02
i'm dog and cat: have an annoyingly strong sense of duty and fidelity and yet i'm a full fledged hedonist. the two sides are always battling for supremacy. of course dust i am and to dust i will return . . .
 
 
Mourne Kransky
21:31 / 10.06.02
Grrrrrrrrr..... I'm definitely ursine rather than human, both in terms of flesh and temperament. My only tenuous link with humanity is my recently awarded status as bitchiekittie's gay uncle. [blush]

Of course, the Giant Sloth is not infrequently mistaken for a Kodiak Bear....
 
 
Lurid Archive
22:30 / 10.06.02
I meet so many people who claim not to be human, but apparently I'm not cool enough to join their blood drinking circle jerk - not that I'd really want to, although I do love the clothes....

And though I try to get Mordant to "admit" she is a borg of some description - why else does she play with all that electronic equipment? - she flatly refuses to. *sulk*

So I'm stuck here, with aliens refusing to abduct me, being snubbed by creatures of the night and with all *human* partner. My only hope is that my hairiness might be an indication that I am some kind of simian-human half breed.
 
 
Re-Set
14:58 / 11.06.02
I made a conscious decision around 15 years old, when I officially seceded from the human race (I still have my declaration of secession buried somehwere). How human I feel has decreased gradually since then.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:00 / 11.06.02
Come back, Re-Set. We miss you.
 
 
The Apple-Picker
15:24 / 11.06.02
Posted by Suds: we're all united by gas.

Are you sure that's what it is? Last night a boy said to me, after I offered that I am filled with guts--intestines and whatnot--this boy said to me, "No, you're filled with love." To which I replied, "Oh. I thought that was just gas."

United in gas and love.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:35 / 11.06.02
though I try to get Mordant to "admit" she is a borg of some description - why else does she play with all that electronic equipment? - she flatly refuses to.

Lurid: for the umpteenth time, I do not have lots of secret hi-tech implants which I am hiding from you, nor do I communicate secretly with any kind of spaceship. You are not shagging an alien robot woman, and De Niro is not going to play you in the movie.
 
 
Ria
20:33 / 11.06.02
I wanted to talk about this Otherkin stuff for some time now... it confuses me. it seems ridiculous yet smart people believe it. smarter than me in some cases. (I hope no 'kin who knows me... because I do use my real name on this board and they may well recognize me... lurks here and will read it. but probably not...)
 
 
Yay Paul
21:24 / 11.06.02
I hope I'm not human with all the crap we keep doing to each other!

*Oh get you and your political, moral high horse you oohhhh*
 
 
higuita
12:28 / 12.06.02
Have just visited otherkin.net for some sort of info on what they are, having been otherwise ignorant of the existence of this... phenomenon.

I love the way they describe the process of discovering you are otherkin as 'awakening,' a tearing away of the veil, if you will. Sounds more like a desire to dress up as a pixie or get into some serious plushing to me... but then I've always been a cynic and not interesting enough to have exotic ideas like this.

This is my favourite bit:
"For example, I believe I am elven. I realize that this isn't something I should share with the general populace, because it would require too much explanation. For the same reason, I don't share the fact that I am Pagan with everyone, or the fact that I am a shaman with everyone."

Is it just me?
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
12:33 / 12.06.02
i am painfully reminded of being human by the fact that i dislike my appearence, something i would assume does not happen in the animal world.

Although biologically i am just a swirl of spall particles my brain sees as human shaped, so could go wither way i suppose
 
 
Sax
13:27 / 12.06.02
Hey, we're all only human. Some of us are people, though. And I may well be God's Gift, although that is up for debate and may possibly require my attendance at a barbemeet.
 
 
The Monkey
15:58 / 12.06.02
I'm a monkey that works for the Outer Church...Mordant has a head like a squid and strange mental powers...is this gonna be a problem? is the ACLU going to need to be called in? Squid-headed workers of the world unite!

otherkin.net is just kind of sad. and bland.

"I'm a dragon!" *snore*...how about we come up with something that wasn't grafted from a D&D monster manual or Changeling: The Dreaming? For fuck's sake, I feel like finding a group of these people and throwing d10 at them.

So my theory is all the Otherkin affiliate themselves as beings that are:
1) more enlightened, or privy to moral or spiritual information we ain't.
2) kinda sexy in that ethereal-being-of-great-power way
3) give them a high horse from which to look down on the non-special.
4) an excuse to refer to oneself as a "shaman," at least until me and the spirit of Wokova beat them to death with putrifying corpse of their totem spirit-animal.
5) are easily locatable in that type of fantasy novel that have big-breasted elf-women of the front
6) Wearing shit likes capes and doublets and thinking it profound and possibly spooky

But because membership in Otherkin allows one to simultaneuously fill the drive to be different, yet the same, without changing anything about yourself except social display, there will reach a point where, after reaching a population glut of dragons (there are only so many colors that sound cool; "monkey-shit brown dragon just doesn't sell) and elves, there will evolve a pressure to locate new, more novel forms of "other-ness," and a subsequent race to scour the works of Mircea Eliade for such anthropomythological figments as bunyip, kurupira, and vodanyoi, resulting in:
1) getting to pretend you are "wise" and profound...you know, like American Indians in TV shows...and lord it over people. Because all ethnic people are, like, you know, wise and in tune to the earth and stuff
2) attempted sexiness of the Orientalist fantasy, "exotic" type
3) further excuses to claim to be a shaman [grumble, grumble]
4) wear overpriced clunky jewelry assembled by 3rd-world children and consider it significant and profound

Maybe a bit later we'll run into the people who try the new tack of being "kin" to evil nasty things...ripening opportunities for:
1) Spawn-type angst
2) Wearing black and pretending it's very significant and spooky (as opposed to subjectively enjoyable)
3) claiming to be a eeevvviiilll shaman-witch-alchemist-antipaladin
4) Using "eeevvvilll" as an excuse to be a dick
5) being a dick
6) attempted sexiness in that eeevvviilll bad-girl/bad-boy
 
 
Ria
17:21 / 12.06.02
I feel relieved that nobody flamed me for that post. or perhaps a little disapointed that they didn't. I wouldn't have said the above if I didn't know that my post will dissapear. so anyone looking to blackmail me, you know what to do...
 
 
Ria
17:31 / 12.06.02
to clarify I don't discount everything all the Otherkin say out of hand. I have gotten a strange or different aura from some of them nor would I judge all of them for the silliness of some of them. but when it comes down to it I don't believe in this.
 
 
Stone Mirror
18:05 / 12.06.02
I am a free-floating consciousness trapped inside a meat-puppet.
 
 
Rage
18:47 / 12.06.02
So there's not a single person here who honestly thinks they're something else?

The party is soooooo over.
 
  

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