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Cartoons - They Don't Make 'em Like They Used To

 
  

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Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
19:03 / 11.06.02
Recently, I acquired digital cable, which is about the most addictive thing ever since I now have four channels devoted to cartoons (and, on a side note, one devoted to Nickelodeon game shows- including all the ones from the 80s. "And the grand prize... a NinTENdo! Complete with the power pad!")

Hah! The powerpad! What a completely useless invention. I ran harder trying to play that damn track and field game than I would have actually running an event.

However, for my money: Danger Mouse and Count Duckula. The pinnacle of cartoon making.

Good lord, I had almost forgotten about Danger Mouse. What was his assistant's name? "Pinfode" or something phonectically similar...
 
 
Mr Tricks
19:41 / 11.06.02
just saw the animated feature SPIRIT much better than I expected...

great use of 3d animation & a more traditional "look"...

remember some of the Ralp Backshi (or how ever it's spelt) stuff? GREAT GREAT GREAT...

anyone remember "last of the Mohekans?" (again Spelling!!)

I remember being WAY disapointed with the 70's+ versions of Buggs Bunny etc... Vs. the much older stuff.

There's a bigger demand for cartoons these days as well... SO, there'll be more crappy stuff as well.
 
 
Trijhaos
19:49 / 11.06.02
Good lord, I had almost forgotten about Danger Mouse. What was his assistant's name? "Pinfode" or something phonectically similar...

It was Penfold. I loved that cartoon. They used to show it on Nickolodean years ago; back when they had decent programming.
 
 
Mazarine
00:45 / 12.06.02
My brother is visiting from Spain, and he brought me back a Dangermouse toy that a friend of his picked up in England. When his tummy is pressed (the toy's, not my brother's or, to the best of my knowledge, his friend from England's) he says "Dangermouse! The greatest secret agent in the world!" which is why I thought of it. But I'll quit rotting the thread.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
01:38 / 12.06.02
Saw Dangermouse again recently. Loved it as a kid, found it completely boring this time round. And the rubber toys used to split, revealing Baron Greenback's sharp metal skeleton, perfect for accidentally stabbing yourself with.

Saw Battle of the Planets again recently. Realised how much the US rejigs (the vast majority of the episodes that were shown in the UK) were sanitised to appease watchdogs/parents' groups etc, and any sense of adventure ruined along the way.

A great number of the Bugs Bunny/Daffy Duck/Proky Pig cartoons contained exactly the same jokes as each other. The early Porky Pig stuff is atrocious, insipid tripe. The times when the Looney Tunes work is when there's a mile-wide streak of cruelty and madness running through them (and that's limited to a few of the early Daffy Duck shorts).

re: mickey mouse. i was thinking of the v v early stuff i.e. steamboat willy and just after. the character soon became v bland looking and acting, as if he'd been decreed some kind of ambassador for america.

You're honestly saying that Mickey Mouse wasn't bland all along?

I can't think of a single cartoon short from my youth that has stood the test of time. The only thing there is nostalgia, the images and sounds reminding you of some mythical, halcyon era in your life.

PPG is aces for all the reasons Jack gives. Pokemon and its ilk work because of their sheer absurdity.

And I think you're all being unfairly tough on CG effects in cartoons. Check out The Iron Giant to see how they can help to increase the reality in animation.

but i would argue that kids are quite happy when the older style cartoons are shown. kids like cartoons. i'm not talking about nostalgia here - i was born in the 60s, and the cartoon style then was radically different to the ones made in the 30s. i'm not sure what your point is, runs.

But you're missing the point. Kids like cartoons, full stop. It doesn't make any real difference when they were made. So, obviously, the companies involved are going to get costs down as low as they can, which may mean skimping on background art or animation. Bottom line is, the kids don't give a shit as long as the story is entertaining and the characters appeal to them. Quite often that's also a conscious styistic decision on the part of the creators; PPG is zappy, punchy, and the art is designed to reflect that.
 
 
Tamayyurt
03:32 / 12.06.02
It's goofy you want - 'GoofTroop' was fantastic .. it was absolute televisual carnage...

Fuck That! Duck Tales was THE SHIT! Darkwing Duck was not as well done but also THE SHIT! Rescue Rangers and the Gummy Bears was pretty badass as well.

Also I have to say that I loved the earlier Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
07:31 / 12.06.02
"I can't think of a single cartoon short from my youth that has stood the test of time. The only thing there is nostalgia, the images and sounds reminding you of some mythical, halcyon era in your life."

thanks, randy, for telling me how i feel, how i don't really like what i think i like and how i only want to be reminded of my wonderful childhood.

i like a lot of the cartoons made in the 30s and 40s. that's all. if you don't like them, that's fine. i won't deny you your opinion, don't deny me mine. and my childhood was fucking horrible.
 
 
The Natural Way
08:27 / 12.06.02
Y'know, this whole thing about how kids just like cartoons, it's a load of crap. For a start it denies children any kind of individual taste, but it also contradicts my personal experience: I did not like ALL cartoons. I hated stuff from the bloody 30's and 40's and went off the vast bulk of cartoons that weren't super-heroey/sci-fiey/fantasy by the time I was 7 or 8.... I'm sure I wasn't alone.

Another thing - I'm fucking happy toons have got all clever, clever in recent years: it makes them more inclusive - something Mum and Mum can enjoy watching WITH their kids.
 
 
Saveloy
09:37 / 12.06.02
The clever, adult humour is only new to toons made exclusively for telly. It was there in spades in the Warner Bros cartoons, the Droopy toons (who was the guy responsible for those? - did the Three Little Pigs story with a hep jazz theme and leering, wolf-whistling wolf) and some of the Disney shorts (Goofy especially, I'm thinking about the ones about driving and golf). And the visual slapstick of Tom and Jerry was designed to appeal to all ages.

Actually, even that's not strictly true - Bob Godfrey's "Henry's Cat", which was a late 70s/early 80s TV thing had some very sophisticated humour and visuals (sophisticated in a 'simple but arty' sense).

I agree with Runs about kids not just liking any old thing; I have very clear memories of being a nipper and disliking the visual style of certain toons - I particularly hated the look of Dangermouse, with all it's neatly rulered straight lines (looked so cold), and I had problems with the wobbliness of Rhubarb and Custard.
 
 
Saveloy
09:54 / 12.06.02
TEX AVERY! That was the fella (did Droopy etc).
 
 
Spatula Clarke
10:36 / 12.06.02
Group 'you', SFD, not individual 'you'.
 
 
gentleman loser
20:46 / 22.06.02
Shortfatdyke, you might want to check out Samurai Jack on the Cartoon Network. The stories are rather thin, but I think it's a beautiful 'toon from an artistic standpoint. It's pretty much 2-D though.

Rizla Year Zero, I'm with you! Sam and Max was one of the best toons of the 90's, along with Freakazoid, Earthworm Jim and Rocko's Modern Life. Daria had a damn good run. I'm surprised it had such a long run on a network as terminally brain dead and popularity driven as MTV.

I will never get the Powerpuff Girls though, which I find to be mostly obvious pop cultural junk. It's not that it's that bad, it's just not as genius as everyone claims.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
11:46 / 23.06.02
I HATED the cartoons on TV when I was young. I am baffled by the love people have for Scooby Doo...even as a kid I thought it was a cheaply made peice of dog crap recycling the same script over and over and TONS of padding in the chase scenes. I loved the re-runs of theatrical cartoons like Looney Tunes, Pink Panther and the Tex Avery stuff. I didn't even like The Flintstones, as I could see that they didn't animate most fo the screen.

The current "hip" stuff on Cartoon Network is OK, but I don't go out of my way to watch it. And after the first batch of Nicktoons (Doug, Rugrats & Ren & Stimpy) I didn't much care either.

Still, they were better than the overly cheap toy fueled crap of the 80's. I feel bad for people who have nostalgia for that stuff.
 
 
Fist of Fun
12:17 / 23.06.02
I know I'm picking up the thread a little late, but some things need to be said.

The ways of a mouse killing a cat are legion. Resistence is futile, you will be assmutilated.

And for Dangermouse fans, if you want to hear DM tell Penfold off again, go here.
 
 
Ria
22:06 / 23.06.02
SFD, I know what you mean and agree. Lilo and Stitch looks like what I visualize good western (as opposed to anime) animation as looking like. (never mind the story.) the Maxx animated series which came out in the early '90's had some stunning animation too although for some reason the commerical video of that took out of the best bits.
 
 
Ria
22:06 / 23.06.02
(it also have a storyline to match.)
 
  

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