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Restore my passion for music... please

 
  

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Ganesh
00:59 / 20.05.02
I'm not sure when it happened but somewhere along the line, I've become less interested in current music, less engaged. In my early twenties, I noted my (younger) sisters becoming staid and boring in their musical preferences, and I swore it'd never happen to me - but it has. I think a number of factors are to blame: firstly, I'm no longer driving to work and therefore don't have an opportunity to listen to the radio for long periods; secondly, when I do listen to the radio (upon waking, by and large) I listen to Radio 4 - a habit I've inherited from ZoCher; thirdly, I'm older (thirty-one) and have more 'professional' demands upon my time; also, I tend to mix with older, medical professional types who are generally unadventurous, musically.

Whatever the reason, I find myself largely out of touch with the current music scene. The last Big Thing that captured my imagination was BritPop in the mid 90s, when I got seriously into Pulp, Blur, Elastica, Kula Shaker, Menswe@r and all their lesser tributaries. That's the last time I got seriously into festivals, attending T in the Park religiously and hugely enjoying the general vibe.

Then there are the 'classics': bands or artists I consider 'enduring' and follow no matter what. I remain faithful to Morrissey through thick and thin (although another duff album would seriously try my patience), I follow REM and I buy everything produced by Pet Shop Boys or Kate Bush (yes, really).

I guess I have a weakness for pop with 'real' or self-consciously 'British/English' lyrics. I consider Jarvis Cocker and Black Box Recorder to be inheritors of The Smiths' crown. I also love female vocals and have bought Eurythmics, Grace Jones, Dusty Springfield, Dubstar, Morcheeba, St Etienne, All Saints, Sugababes, Britney etc. as a result.

Last stuff I bought? Apart from Moby (very thirtysomething, but I actually do genuinely like his particular brand of 'soulful'), Ladytron, Spooks, Gorillaz. Enjoyed them all, but felt like I was trying too hard, somehow.

Anyway, I really miss that feeling of being utterly passionate about music. I don't want it to be background; I want it to be central to my life, like it used to be. I'm appealling to you to recommend stuff that'll bring me back into the fold. Not necessarily music you like; rather, music you reckon I'll enjoy based on what I've written above.

So, uh, yeah. Suggest stuff that'll make me care again. Please...
 
 
the Fool
02:43 / 20.05.02
You need house music! Fun, excitment, sexiness and good dancing. But mainly fun. I recommend you go and get nite:life mixed by Joey Negro. I picked this up recently and it had me grinning from ear to ear. Its not trashy boring 'hard house' or stupid 'NRG' or equally boring progressive crap, its wonderful house drawing a direct line from disco to today. And its not made for kiddies either...

You're in the UK and get spoiled with the best house music has to offer every week. While we here down on the opposite side of the globe only get the crumbs that fall from the table. Go forth and enjoy!

I can give you some more names if you're interested...
 
 
bio k9
05:28 / 20.05.02
Hmmm. Ive been having different music problems lately. Driving to work is the only time I have to listen to music. 12 hour days and a kid don't exactly allow for rocking the house. Hell, they don't allow for anything.

If you're not driving are you taking the train or walking? I understand not wanting to listen to music while you walk (I have this thing about that, makes me feel vulnerable) but if youre sitting on the train you should be able to listen to some CDs or something. My recommendation is that you look up the bands you love on Amazon or some other site that sells music. Most of them have Recommended if you like, Sounds like or People who bought this also bought... sections. Look for bands that you've never heard before. Then use some sort of file-share program to download tracks from those bands, burn them to disc, and try them out on the way to work. If one of the songs sucks you can just skip over it. If they all suck you can throw the disc in the trash. Worth a try anyway.

I'm off to investigate Thursday. Derivitive crap or Just What the World Needs?
 
 
Seth
05:39 / 20.05.02
From a lot of the bands you mentioned, it sound like you'd like the last Flaming Lips album, "The Soft Bulletin." Classic pop record, huge arrangements, incredible songs, and wonderful lyrics (but without all the discordant, broken guitar sounds that characterise the rest of their nineties stuff, so it's a lot easier on the ear for someone who isn't into random bursts of noise and fuzz). Can't recommend this album enough, I've bought it, given it away and bought it again more than nearly any other album.

Do you have minidisc? It would be pretty easy to "donate" a bunch of stuff via post so you can try before you buy (unfortunately I don't have a CD burner).
 
 
Saveloy
08:51 / 20.05.02
Ganesh>

Do either of these appeal to you?

- investigate an old genre with a big hefty catalogue and loads of sub-genres to explore (eg classical, jazz)
- check out a more specialised old genre with a contemporary scene, clubs devoted to it etc (eg loungecore [is that's still going as a scene?], 60s garage)

Or is it important to you to find something contemporary?

Based on what you list above, I can see you enjoying loungecore / easy, but most of it is instrumental, and what lyrics there are won't be of the Morrissey variety.
 
 
Ganesh
09:23 / 20.05.02
Well... I'm not particularly looking to uncover a whole new (or old) genre; it's more that I miss being really into music. Back in the mid-90s, I enjoyed the BritPop scene so much that I'd assiduously follow the music press, get really excited about new stuff, etc., etc. These days, it all seems much more of an effort.

Don't think house is particularly my thing, Fool - I'm too fond of good lyrics and a touch of melancholy here and there - and I've never been in the least attracted by jazz. Loungecore? Possibly.

Don't have minidisc, Expressionless, but I'll definitely check out 'The Soft Bulletin'. BioK9's suggestion of trying the Recommended if you liked this lists is also a good one.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
09:25 / 20.05.02
Diverting to Morrisey for a sec, are any of his solo albums good? I've only heard a couple of solo tracks, but that's it. They were quite good though.

And Ganesh, I'd second what Saveloy said, pretty much. I think if you look around a bit, you'll find something, and it'll all come back to you... but I'm not going to reccomend anything, because my tastes are limited at the moment, and you've probably heard it all.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
09:27 / 20.05.02
Last week The Dandy Warhols saved my life.

No, really!

I was feeling the same, I'd had a year or two of not liking what was current music, the shit that NME was peddling, and the albums coming out from my long time favourite bands, Pulp, Orbital, Fat Boy Slim (not a long term favourite but I quite liked the last album), Spiritualized, were all shit. The things I was liking were all old. But I'm really enjoying '13 Tales From Urban Bohemia), especially the first couple of songs on the album.
They've dumped the tiresome "we're all perverts, no really!" image from when they started out, and the lead singer seems to have stopped his girlfriend from kissing the keyboard player just to show how cool they are. 'Godless' is quite epic.

And if you've seen the latest NSPCC 'Tonight Billy's going to go home and his parents will kick the shit out of him' adverts, that nice ethereal sounding music drifting in the background is Sigur Ros, and they are ace too.
 
 
Saveloy
09:59 / 20.05.02
Ganesh:
"Well... I'm not particularly looking to uncover a whole new (or old) genre; it's more that I miss being really into music. Back in the mid-90s, I enjoyed the BritPop scene so much that I'd assiduously follow the music press, get really excited about new stuff, etc., etc. These days, it all seems much more of an effort."

This'll sound miserable, but it's possible that you'll never recapture that excitement again because either the way scenes are covered in the media has changed since the mid-90s, or you have changed or both. I think it's rare for people to maintain the same level of excitement throughout their lives. Can you think what it was about that time that got you going?
 
 
Ganesh
10:12 / 20.05.02
Oh, has the world changed or have I changed?

I know what you mean, Saveloy, and I know that some of it's merely about my being older. Setting up home with ZoCher diverted and divided my enthusiasm into other areas. Nonetheless, I'm convinced that 'my kind of music' is still out there, and it's possible to experience at least some of that 'fabulous new band' rush.

The Dandy Warhols: well, yes, I've enjoyed the singles but not tried their albums. D'you reckon I'd like them?

Morrissey: the last album, 'Maladjusted' was disappointing but yeah, his solo stuff's well worth following.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
10:15 / 20.05.02
Diverting to Morrisey for a sec, are any of his solo albums good? I've only heard a couple of solo tracks, but that's it. They were quite good though.

Yep. Bona Drag and Vauxhall And I are near-perfect. The others are variable (I used to hate Southpaw Grammar but there's some great tracks on it, and I still like Maladjusted, though most think it's wank) but overall, kinda good. Live, however, is much different. And much better.
 
 
The Natural Way
11:26 / 20.05.02
Basically you've gotta decide to get back in to music. It's a decision. Explore, re-engage, muck about - try out loads of new things. Cliche: what you put in, you get out.
 
 
Saveloy
11:31 / 20.05.02
I don't think you can force excitement or passion, though. You've got to find something that tickles your GO button in the right places and it's quite possible that, currently, that sort of thing isn't being made.
 
 
The Strobe
11:49 / 20.05.02
The Dandy Warhols: well, yes, I've enjoyed the singles but not tried their albums. D'you reckon I'd like them?

I really don't know. Because they have an amazing ability to pull off singles that are nothing like the album tracks. Good singles tracks: Last Junkie on Earth, Boys Better, Bohemian Like You, but especially 'Get Off' which is slightly less singly than before. But stuff like Godless, and Nieztche, and Green, and Whipping Tree are all SO MUCH BETTER than the admittedly pretty good singles, and entirely different.

It's best described as stoner-rock. Lots of big drawn out soundscapes, and lots of jangling. And then they do a really poppy single. Avoid the first album, but The Dandy Warhols Come Down is pretty damn great, as is the new one. You'll certainly be very surprised (though not as suprised as the bought-on-the-strength-of-the-vodafone-ad-cretins) by how it all turns out...
 
 
Ganesh
11:54 / 20.05.02
Runce, Saveloy: sure, but I'm just so out of touch with what's around at the moment, that 'exploring' is likely to prove costly in terms of time, money and effort - which is why I guess I'm looking for a few pointers.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:26 / 20.05.02
...'exploring' is likely to prove costly in terms of time, money and effort...

I think we need another mix-tape (or CD) trading thread--although in this case, not so much trading as donating: it'll be a chance for you to actually hear a lot of new and different stuff without having to hunt it down and pay for it yourself.

What do you think, 'nesh? Are you okay with getting things through the post? (although some other means of getting the tapes/discs to you could probably be arranged...)

And what do you think, kids? Who's up for ssetting up the Elephant God with some new muzik, with repayment in the form of good karma?
 
 
The Natural Way
12:30 / 20.05.02
I'd love to make you a mix, 'nesh. Just PM me an address and it's yrs.
 
 
lentil
13:02 / 20.05.02
"I guess I have a weakness for pop with 'real' or self-consciously 'British/English' lyrics

I might get shouted down for this, because amongst my friends opinion is sorely divided, and I can honestly see why it irritates the fuck out of some people, but "Original Pirate Material" by The Streets. I bought this album because my sister had requested it for her birthday, and I was thinking, "well, this might be alright but it's blatantly going to be too much like some shitty bogstandard UK garage thing for me to really get into it", listened to it once and was blown away, and have since gone out and bought a copy for myself.
I mention it because it's pop as fuck (it is dance music, but the tracks are definitely songs rather than 'choons'), very real and incredibly English. Its Englishness is more about kebabs and geezerdom than yer quirky eccentric thang, tho'. Anyway, the production is incredibly accomplished, the lyrics are generally hilarious but genuinely moving on a few songs, all delivered in a style that owes a lot to hip hop but is so far removed from any 'wiggerdom' as to be utterly unique. This is the sticking point though: it does sound like some bloke off a council estate ranting (just in terms of the accent and language used, technically I think it's great, and very witty, as mentioned), which I love, it complements the content and general aesthetic perfectly.
Musically it's been compared to two tone, particularly The Specials, which I think is accurate, it's got that "sounds of the suburbs" thing going on.
Here's a sample verse so you can get an idea of whether you'll dig it:

"Now, getting to the bar's going to be trouble,
So the marlons'll have to be doubles
Then you drink doubles the same speed you drink singles
Ah, beautiful! The barman holds aloft a crystal glass,
And I'm having all that's in the bottom of the bottle.
Then by three or four your head's a bit mangled,
Club's full, you mingle,
You dance the fandango, you sing all your favourite jingles
Far gone on one, call me Baron von Marlon,
One has monocle and cigar, dickie-bow and long johns
My utility belt tells me it's to the bar, Batman
Fat cans of that lager, then it's straight to the bar
For much more, fancy footwork's adored by many amour,
Don't bore me with your little sidestep technique,
get to the beat, loosen up, it's The Streets!

[sung chorus]
In its own little way my body was trying to say
That you'd better stop drinking brandy"

"Marlon" I guess must be slang for "round", but I've never heard it before. IMO that verse perfectly captures the glory of booning around a club on a cocktail of intoxicants.

If you're not convinced enough to splash out I'll happily send you a tape, or, as others have said, do a mixtape or burn a cd.

Oh yeah - female vocals - the last pj harvey album is rilly good, but you probably know that already.
 
 
Ganesh
13:04 / 20.05.02
Um, thanks, people. I'm a li-i-ittle bit 'funny' about giving out my name and address online (being cyber-stalked by Greenlanders and Welshmen hasn't done much to alleviate my sense of paranoia) but I guess it's fine with those Barbeloids I know and trust...
 
 
Jack Fear
13:08 / 20.05.02
Well, like I said--there are other ways. A P.O. box, a trusted third party, et cetera. This is supposed to be fun, not a cause for anxiety.
 
 
Ganesh
13:12 / 20.05.02
S'long as the recipient didn't register in June 2001 and isn't BIG ON UPPER CASE, I'm fine with it...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:41 / 20.05.02
nesh, as I'm already stalking you, want a comp from me?

and what I've heard of The Streets I really like, is really distinctive, and very British sounding in a way that i haven't heard before...
 
 
grant
14:21 / 20.05.02
Ganesh: what did you LIKE about BritPop?
What first attracted you? What kept you reading? What about Pulp maketh thine heart to sing?

Answer in a bulleted list, please.
 
 
01
16:10 / 20.05.02
Go get some of that emo stuff that the kids are into. Hot Water Music, Elliot, Get Up Kids

That and some of that new hardcore vibe as well, Grade, Poison the Well, Shai Hulud
 
 
the Fool
22:31 / 20.05.02
I'm too fond of good lyrics and a touch of melancholy here and there

Vocal house. US sleazy vocal house. Its all lust and love gone wrong.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:49 / 20.05.02
Originally posted bu Plums:
and what I've heard of The Streets I really like, is really distinctive, and very British sounding in a way that i haven't heard before...

The comment has been made in virtually every review I've read, but is no less accurate for that: The Streets = The Specials v.2002, in terms of musical, political and social attitude.
 
 
Not Here Still
18:37 / 21.05.02
Another idea; get a few magazines with covermounted CDs, or buy a compilation if you're feeling flash, and gamble on a purchase of an artist's album you like.

I'll knock you up a tape if you're interested...

Oh, and another big up for the Streets, I'm afraid, although I'd say he'd equal more Ian Dury or Shaun Ryder.

Off topic, but Lentil:

"Marlon" I guess must be slang for "round"

I took it as Brando, as slang for Brandy; after all, that's what the track's all about.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:05 / 21.05.02
I can't really think of any groups around at the mo (who are any cop) that do the 'Englishness' thing that you seem to like (as in Pulp, Smiths, BBR etc). A couple that you may have missed out on are The Auteurs, the main project of BBR's Luke Haines, and Belle and Sebastian. I'm sure that Flyboy will be all too willing to attest to the quality of Haines' Auteurs output. I've got a soft spot for B&S, but they can be too twee for a lot of people.

I can imagine The Magnetic Fields' 69 Love Songs being right up your street. Clever, witty, playful.
 
 
Jack Fear
21:09 / 21.05.02
Richard Thompson.

None more English.
 
 
autopilot disengaged
22:01 / 21.05.02
fuck all to do with england, but on an NYC electro tip, have you heard fischer spooner? sleazy conceptual disco not a bazillion miles from soft cell, with a doctorate in post-modernism?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
15:32 / 22.05.02
Go on Nesh, send me your addy and I'll send you a mix tape or something...

(And because I can't be bothered to start another thread, all the Barbeloids that like Peaches should steal the latest NME)
 
 
uncle retrospective
16:47 / 22.05.02

This might cheer you up a bit.
from popbitch

I'm reliably informed that Morrissey's 1st single for 5 years will be called "Mario's Dance" and hails not only a return to form but also a return to the sound of his Viva Hate album. How do I know? My cousin is playing drums on it....
 
 
Margin Walker
05:15 / 23.05.02
[off-topic]I was just watching Craig Kilborn and he mentioned that Morrisey turned 40 today. So happy birthday Moz...[/off-topic]
 
 
gridley
16:04 / 30.05.02
have you heard Ed Harcourt? I think he's great. Kind of a cross between Badly Drawn Boy and Jeff Buckley that's being backed up by
Mercury Rev, but with a little Brian Ferry melodrama tossed in.
 
 
The Strobe
17:00 / 30.05.02
Ooh, yes, I'm pretty sure Ganesh would like the Ed Harcourt album. It's a pile of excellent songs, and a guy with a great voice, and little else needs to be said. He's also really good live; I heard his Radio1 session and was suitably impressed.

And Beneath the Heart of Darkness just rocks SO much.
 
  

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