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We're The Great Old Ones Now
12:28 / 15.05.02
Just a couple of quotes I found which are interesting:

"[Mr. Jones] may be my best piece of just pure original writing. It was very intricate and I could see the rewrite wasn't really helping it...the studio called up my wife, who was producing, and said "You're husband's fired."...and it really hurt me because this one was totally my flesh and blood."

- Eric Roth, screenwriter

"The maker of a sentence launches out into the infinite and builds a road into Chaos and Old Night."

- Emerson, Journals
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:41 / 15.05.02
I like the implicit irony of Emerson ripping off Milton...
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
13:23 / 15.05.02
'Ripping off' is rather unfair, given that Paradise Lost is a virtually unbroken series of references to other people's work...
 
 
Cat Chant
08:01 / 17.05.02
Cheers for those, Nick. I should probably say that I really don't have any argument (or not much) with your conception of writing - you should see some of the discussions I have with fellow (sister?) slash writers about the ways in which our politics, sense of self, etc, are intimately concerned in our readings-rewritings of the characters and their milieu, not to mention the tantrums and misery we go through when we get seriously misread. I suppose the one disagreement I would have with you is the Derridean/Lacanian one that since writing involves being entered by the Other it cannot be seen as mastery over the universe like the Emerson quote, but more of a two-way cyborgian circuitry between the World which precedes the writing and the author's head. An intertext, if you will - the impossibility of living outside the infinite text...

Where I do disagree with you is on reading (and on the difference between reading and writing). I'd say that any reading already, to some extent, risks being a violent 'violation' of a text because - structurally and necessarily - a text cannot ever be read securely according to the axes of the author's intention. So these distressing rewrites and hijackings of cyborgian world-self plug-in circuitries are already happening as soon as the text is read.

(incidentally, I have a very brief article on slash coming out in the Journal of Visual Culture issue 2, due out in a month or so, then hopefully the long piece I'm currently writing will be accepted for a book due out next year or the year after.)
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
09:31 / 17.05.02
Eeeeenteresting. Actually, I just found those and put them up 'cos I liked them - it wasn't intended to convince anyone further. Will look at the reading/writing thing, though, and maybe we can talk about it.
 
 
Cat Chant
11:20 / 17.05.02
Nick, you know you can't give me the slightest pretext and then expect me not to (talk about) slash...

Anyhoo, here is the quote from Derrida I've been trying to track down for some weeks in this regard.

"There is always a surprise in store for the anatomy or physiology [!!!] of any criticims that might think it had mastered the game, surveyed all the threads at once, deluding itself, too, in wanting to look at the text without touching it, without laying a hand on the 'object', without risking - which is the only chance of entering into the game, by getting a few fingers caught - the addition of some new thread . Adding, here, is nothing other than giving to read. One must manage to think this out: that it is not a question of embroidering upon a text, unless one considers that to know how to embroider still means to have the ability to follow the given thread . That is, if you follow me, the hidden thread. If reading and writing are one, as is easily thought these days, if reading is writing, this oneness designates neither undifferentiated (con)fusion nor identity at perfect rest; the is that couples reading with writing must rip apart.

One must then, in a single gesture, but doubled, read and write. And that person would have understood nothing of the game who, at this, would feel himself authorized merely to add on; that is, to add any old thing. He would add nothing; the seam wouldn't hold. Reciprocally, he who through 'methodological prudence,' 'norms of objectivity', or 'safeguards of knowledge' would refrain from committing anything of himself, would not read at all. The same foolishness, the same sterility, obtains in the 'not serious' as in the 'serious'. The reading or writing supplement must be rigorously prescribed, but by the necessities of a game, by the logic of play, signs to which the system of all textual powers must be accorded and attuned."

(All italicized phrases emphasized by me - single words are italicized by Jacky D).

Isn't that GORGEOUS???
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
17:30 / 17.05.02
I love it. And of course, it finds a way through the middle of us. Naturally. Because he's a bloody genius. Looking forward to this discussion; may write something on the back of this quote soon.
 
 
YNH
00:15 / 18.05.02
Have either of you heard of or seen the Star Wars Fan Film Awards? A first step in legitimation...
 
 
Cat Chant
07:22 / 18.05.02
[YNH]: No - link please?
 
 
YNH
04:53 / 19.05.02
Atom Films hosted the contest. You can view all of the nominees with Realplayer or Windows Media Player. Starwars.com was involved and Lucas appeared on the Sci-fi special.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
10:13 / 20.05.02
So, question:

is 'Troops' fan fic?
 
 
Cat Chant
07:23 / 31.05.02
Haven't seen the movies yet, but I suspect this whole Lucas-approved thing is actually a strategy of delegitimation, in that it reinforces the notion that the Star Wars universe is the property of George Lucas and only George Lucas... hmmm.

but I actually bumped this thread to scream excitedly at Nick. Nick! Nick! Have you read the Maurice Blanchot essay called something like 'Literature and the Gift of Death'? It's absolutely amazing! I shall type lengthy bits out if you haven't read it (it's the last essay in a book called 'The Work of Fire', and also in a collection called something about Orpheus.)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:50 / 31.05.02
Haven't seen the movies yet, but I suspect this whole Lucas-approved thing is actually a strategy of delegitimation, in that it reinforces the notion that the Star Wars universe is the property of George Lucas and only George Lucas... hmmm.

I would say so - like extending Roman citizenship to eveyr subject of the Empire so you could tax them harder. If you are competing for the approval of George Lucas and the interests concerned with keeping a lock on "the Star Wars mythos", you are unlikely to address issues like Han and Lando's former romantic involvement, or Leia actually kind of liking that kiss at the beginning of The Empire Strikes Back, even after she knows...by broadening the notional creative franchise (you too could be part of the team that makes Star Wars!), you can broaden the numbers who have submitted to your view of the CBU.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
13:20 / 31.05.02
Deva: Haven't read it, must now seek it out immediately so that I may jump up and down in return.

[Swirl of cape]

To the Bat-Librarian!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:32 / 31.05.02
I think that would be "The Gaze of Orpheus", edited by P. Adams Sitney. Havne't read it myself - will keep an eye out.
 
 
Cat Chant
19:31 / 02.06.02
The essay is called 'Literature and the Right to Death' and it's insane how closely you shadowed some of it, given that you hadn't read it, Nick - or maybe your sources were partly shadowing him. All about relational skeletons & new worlds and stuff.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
15:44 / 03.06.02
I'm unbelievably delighted by this...
 
 
Cat Chant
12:02 / 06.06.02
Isn't it AMAZING?? This is the bit that I thought simultaneously justified both of us (long, long quote) - seems to account for both a readerly & a writerly perspective and do justice to the complexity of each side, and their interrelation:

[S]tarting from the book, an author exists and merges with his book. When Kafka chances to write the sentence "He was looking out the window', he is - as he says - in a state of inspiration such that the sentence is already perfect. The point is that he is the author of it - or rather that, because of it, he is an author: it is the source of his existence, he has made it and it makes him, it is himself and he is completely what it is. This is the reason for his joy, his pure and perfect joy. Whatever he might write, 'the sentence is already perfect'. This is the strange and profound certainty which art makes into a goal for itself. What is written is neither well nor badly written, neither important nor frivolous, memorable nor forgettable: it is the perfect act through which what was nothing when it was inside emerges into the monumental reality of the outside as something which is necessarily true, as a translation which is necessarily faithful, since the person it translates exists only through it and in it... But what is the result of this? The writer who is completely gathered up and enclosed in the sentence 'He was looking out the window' apparently cannot be asked to justify this sentence, since for him nothing else exists. But at least the sentence exists, and if it really exists to the point of making the person who wrote it a writer, this is because it is not just his sentence, but a sentence that belongs to other people, people who can read it - it is a universal sentence.

At this point, a disconcerting ordeal begins. The author sees other people taking an interest in his work, but the interest they take in it is different from the interest that made it a pure expression of himself, and that different interest changes the work, transforms it into something different, something in which he does not recognize the original perfection. For him the work has disappeared, it has become a work belonging to other people, a work which includes them and does not include him, a book which derives its value form other books, which is original if it does not resemble them, which is understood because it is a reflection of them. Now the writer cannot disregard this new stage. As we have seen, he exists only in his work, but the work exists only when it has become this public, alien reality, made and unmade by colliding with other realities.
 
 
Tom Coates
08:45 / 07.06.02
This is a very interesting new movement in the age old Barthesian 'death of the author' panoply of fun movement versus the Foucauldian 'authors are categories, spaces, concepts' accurate drudgery of boredom debate...
 
 
Cat Chant
09:06 / 24.07.02
Sorry, I'm copy-editing a manuscript at the moment and I keep finding really good references - and since the Head Shop is my prosthetic brain I want to keep them here (um, at least for a while!)

This article sounds like it might be interesting on fannish/proprietorial relations to texts: Derrida, 'Marx & Sons', trans. G. M. Goshgarian, in Michael Sprinker (ed.), Ghostly Demarcations: a symposium on Jacques Derrida's Spectres of Marx (London: Verso, 1999). This is the quote:

What will never cease to amaze me about the jealous possessiveness of so many Marxists, and what amazes me even more in this instance, is not only what is always a bit comic about a property claim, and comic in a way that is even more theatrical when what is involved is an inheritance, a textual inheritance, and, still more pathetic, the appropriation of an inheritance named 'Marx'! No, what I always wonder, and even more in this instance, is where the author thinks the presumptive property deeds are. In the name of what, on the basis of what claim, exactly, does one even dare confess a 'proprietorial reaction'? Merely making such a confession presupposes that a title deed has been duly authenticated, so that one can adamantly continue to invoke it in defending one's property. But who ever authenticated this property right, especially in the present case?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
12:47 / 25.07.02
I'm getting a Lime Shower Gel feeling with that one. I know it's important, but I can't get it to cling onto anything and I can feel it slipping through my cerebellum and washing away with the excess cerebrospinal fluid.

Fancy trepanning my intellect for me and maybe giving it something to cling onto?
 
 
Cat Chant
15:15 / 25.07.02
Sorry, Nick, I feel much the same - I think I need to read it in context, and actually mostly only posted it to give myself a kick up the arse to read the article (or hopefully coax someone out of the woodwork who's done so...?)
 
 
YNH
16:54 / 25.07.02
Isn't it just something about some Marxists claiming exclusive pirivlege to Marx/ism? And how that's ontologically funny 'cause, you know, property and privilege aren't popularly marxist...

"That is my Marx! I know Marx! You don't understand Marx!"

"Thieving bastard..."
 
  
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