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Burnin' Down the Haus

 
  

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Baz Auckland
19:12 / 16.04.02
"I'm Haus"
"You Bastard!"

- The Islington Bar, 13/4/02

(sorry about that by the way. It was not a genuine opinion, but something I couldn't pass up saying when meeting you)
 
 
aussieintn
20:49 / 16.04.02
Haha! How did Haus react to that?
 
 
Mourne Kransky
21:09 / 16.04.02
Although The Haus is a central figure of many famous philosophical dialogues, little is actually known about him. He left no writings irl, and what is known is derived largely from an anecdotal source known as the Barbelith.

The Haus was a fencer by trade, even though there is little evidence that he ever sat on one. However, he did own a mask, plastron and vest when he was a Barbelite. Throughout his life he claimed to hear voices which he interpreted as murmurings from the Special Board.

It appears that The Haus spent much of his adult life in the agora (or Barbelith), conversing about ethical issues. He had a penchant for exposing ignorance, hypocrisy, and conceit among among his fellow Barbelites, particularly in regard to moral questions. In all probability, he was disliked by some of them.

However, The Haus did have a loyal following. He was very influential in the lives of several other Barbelous types and is fondly remembered by ZoCher for the kindly Christmas message.

The Haus is admired by many philosophers for his willingness to explore an argument wherever it would lead as well as having the moral courage to follow its conclusion (the infamous Haus riposte with a one-two.)

Many think that, after succumbing to self-doubt, The Haus was impeached and drank hemlock, as decreed by the King-Archon, after the arrival of a ship from Delos. In fact, Crito, or maybe Flyboy, substituted a very dry martini at the last minute and The Haus survived by the ruse of adopting yet another fiction suit...

Oh, and Wagner wrote an opera about him.
 
 
rizla mission
22:46 / 16.04.02
i really hate that song burning down the house with tom jones and the lady from the cardigans. i thought it sucked and my mum dug it. tom jones is rubbish, i care not what anyone says.

damn fucking straight.

Regarding 'the Haus suit'*, I find it's antics endlessly entertaining, needlessly petty and nasty, and generally extremely good and an asset to barbelith, so to speak.

*I prefer 'the house suit' - possibly a particularly unwise and self-defeating variation on de Selby's infamous 'tent suit'?
 
 
Reason
23:34 / 16.04.02
I'm still new around here, so I haven't the history to refer to. There is this though, Haus has me running to the dictionary more often than not, (and I thought I was was well spoken)and wishing there was a latin course offered in school. Second thought was, wow, Haus is a guy? Who'd a thunk? (smiles)

Reason.
 
 
mondo a-go-go
08:38 / 17.04.02
haus is aggravating and pompous, full of know-it-all patronising wankitude to the point of self-parody, and possibly the only person i have actively ignored on this board for some months.

(Behind-Haus), on the other hand, is erudite, entertaining and often a delight to talk to.
 
 
Sax
08:57 / 17.04.02
The Haus suit is a bit like a nutter who gets on a bus. You don't want him to come and sit near you and start shouting at you, but you quite enjoy it when he goes to the back and starts ranting at someone else, who cannot quite find the right reference points to argue back.

I would probably never get into an idealogical or philosophical argument with the Haus suit, purely because it seems to have too much received wisdom at its paws to back up any point made, whereas I am often left thinking "I know I'm right, but I just can't lay my finger on the correct quotation from Ralph Cudworth to prove my case.

I often suspect the Haus, when on Barbelith, is sitting in a huge study lined with books, with a team of researchers on hand to speedily find the correct academic text for him to quote from at length.

However, he is always right, in the right sense of the word, and, in my opinion, hardly ever twattish without good cause, or to people who don't deserve twattishness.

On balance, I quite like the Haus suit, but it does make me slightly nervous. Would be interested to meet it in real life.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
11:29 / 17.04.02
Hmm, by drama queeny I meant a tendency to over-react to situations, eg as Mordant notes, the context for the comment about the Haus suit is one in which shitflinging and anger was all over the place, and rather than leaving things to calm down, this could be said to be stoking the flames...
 
 
Persephone
12:42 / 17.04.02
Well I just have to say, "A.E. Hausman" is my favorite Haus suit ever.
 
 
Cavatina
12:55 / 17.04.02
Aye. Just A Stroppyshire Lad, eh
 
 
Cherry Bomb
13:22 / 17.04.02
Definitely not a ghastly mistake.

Ability to make me laugh often harder than anyone. But often I am feeling guilty about laughing. Could be subjective Catholic school holdover, however.

I think sometimes picks arguments just to take the piss out of people. Not something I'd consider fun but then I'm not hir. I admittedly find it fun to watch, however. Necessary? No. Unnecessarily hurtful? I think sometimes.

Definitely very intelligient, often brings great points to debates here that I especially love when I can grasp the concepts of them.

Miss Understood? Probably.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:37 / 17.04.02
Loveliest of things, the Cherry Bomb
Is hung with bloom and rarely wrong,
She stands about Chicago's streets,
Springtime pink and looking neat.

Now, of my three score years and ten,
Many will not come again,
And with the years already gone,
The Haus will be the Dirt ere long.

And since the extant Springs provide
So little time before low tide,
About Chicago I will go
To see the Cherry hung with snow


(Just to show I'm paying attention. In an A.E. Housman stylee)
 
 
Cop Killer
21:30 / 17.04.02
I always thought Haus was kind of a jagoff, albeit often entertaining, a jagoff none the less.
 
 
aussieintn
21:45 / 17.04.02
As a poem (because I'm waiting here for someone and simultaneously avoiding work):

last night
we drove past a roadkill skunk
in an odd, subliminal way
it reminded me of Haus

are you a furry Haus?
do you have a white stripe?

perhaps it was something else
 
 
Thjatsi
02:09 / 18.04.02
I thought you didn't like it here aussie.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
03:02 / 18.04.02
re: aussieintn's poem

Again, I beg the question - why is it that the people from the comedy board are so utterly devoid of wit?
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
03:51 / 18.04.02
What's going on? Are we talking about knodger?

Hastily exits forum...
 
 
aussieintn
10:50 / 18.04.02
Flux, I thought you'd like the idea that we drove past a roadkill skunk in an odd, subliminal way.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:52 / 18.04.02
I don't think it's worth me adding all that much at this juncture, especially when I should probably be using my newly limited net access to talk about far more serious and important things, and Not Me Again and Rizla have summed up very nicely what I wanted to say. There's also the fact that I know the gangly man behind the suit in "real life", by which we mean a succession of venues licensed to serve alcohol on the premises, and I've been accused of being his lieutenant/deputy/apologist/catamite at various points on the board, so in all lilelihood it goes without saying that I'm mainly in the "pro" camp... But I do find myself saying "leave it Haus, it's not worth it..." a lot, whether down the pub, via e-mail, or just muttering it through gritted teeth at the screen...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:10 / 18.04.02
OK, once more....from the Special Board, we have "waspish self-loathing fag". I'm fascinated to see how soon it is before one of the good people of the Special Board hops in with "hey, less of the homophobia, buddy".
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:16 / 18.04.02
Leave it Haus, it's not worth it.
 
 
aussieintn
13:45 / 18.04.02
Assuming we are talking about the same board, I did a search for the word "waspish" in any forum over the last 30 days. No hits. I also couldn't find the phrase "waspish self-loathing fag" by searching for the word "fag" mentioned in the last 30 days. Haus, I suggest you step in yourself. If you don't want to do that, post the link or send me a message.

An objection to homophobia was raised and discussed on the same board on 03-23-02. If you're curious, I can post or message the URL, but I warn you it might not be pretty. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder?
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
13:47 / 18.04.02
Haus is much cleverer than he thinks he is, but not nearly as clever as everyone else thinks he is. He doesn't always know what he's talking about, but when he does (a large, impressive and erect percentage of the time), he is persuasive, charming and articulate.

Haus is funny as fuck (his alter-ego in the pubs of London is actually even funnier, and a good deal more huggable). Sometimes he gets carried away with it, and too many times he has been unable to admit when he has. But the man rocks with fists of steel. And some of you really can't take a joke.
 
 
w1rebaby
14:14 / 18.04.02
oh, I had to drop this one off, not by me, but...

"a combination of Roddy McDowall and Joan Rivers"

I'd be quite flattered by that.
 
 
w1rebaby
14:16 / 18.04.02
(from the same post as "waspish self-loathing fag", though)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:17 / 18.04.02
Aussie: Since that was a direct question...

Kittie, Eeeo, Oz you all have had extended communications with him, what's your analysis of his personality? I'm interested since the first reading is "waspish self-loathing fag" but I suspect something deeper, do we have a Biog., location, age, employment?? Intriguing....

I assume that Zipper isn't aware that there is a gay porn magazine called "Zipper", although if he is I respect him all the more. And I'm kind of flattered that he finds me so "intriguing" (bats eyelids, shows stocking-tops).
 
 
The Natural Way
14:29 / 18.04.02
Sounds like a twat.
 
 
aussieintn
14:35 / 18.04.02
I found it and came back to acknowledge. I think the search engine failed to find the words because of the quotation marks.

I'm not sure how Zipper came to his admittedly reserved opinion. "Waspish", maybe. I'm not sure where the idea of "self-loathing" came from. "Fag" I would not consider an insult. Is this evidence of homophobia? I'm not sure it is unless Zipper means to imply that gay men are waspish and self-loathing in general.

What does the Haus have to say about "injustice in his infantile name-calling and snobbish put-downs"?

I honestly believe that the best course of action would be for you to register on that board and stand up for yourself.
 
 
aussieintn
14:37 / 18.04.02
"Sounds like a twat." Misogyny? Really?
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
14:37 / 18.04.02
Notwithstanding Haus being a twart - which he is - it does sort of sound like he is now a twart with a stalker...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:59 / 18.04.02
I'm quite happy with "waspish" and "self-loathing" - they may or may not be true, but they're just value judgements, hein?

In a perfect world, your idea that "fag" could only possibly be seen as insulting if one was homophobic would be the case, but alas this is not the case. The same argument would have users of the word "nigger" as a term of abuse branded as racist only if they were implying by the phrase "lazy stupid nigger" that *all* niggers were lazy and stupid. "Fag" is not a neutral term used to describe a gay man. It is a piece of hate speech. I have no problem with people thinking or expressing the belief that I am a gay man (or indeed a gay woman), but I don't think the use of hate speech is terribly commendable, nor that Zipper's use of the term was anything other - it was intended as an insulting description.

Ooo! New thread! Head Shop!

On "injustice in his infantile name-calling and snobbish put-downs" - bang to rights. And I am utterly mortified that my childish behavior has been so harshly exposed in the cold light of reason, with people rising above childish behaviour like trying to post bizarre porn pictures in an attempt to get Barbelithers into shit with their employers. I'd like to apologise for any offence I may have caused.
 
 
The Natural Way
15:04 / 18.04.02
Umm...in case there's any confusion, I was referring to Zipper as "a twat" and not Haus. Misogyny? Okay, he's a massive penis, then....
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:16 / 18.04.02
I'm sure he is a very nice guy who feels that he is defending his own. It's just a shame he has chosen this particular way to do it.
 
 
aussieintn
15:17 / 18.04.02
Yes, Haus, you might have a point about the use of the word "fag", but I'm still not sure whether this is absolutely true. Perhaps insult is in the eye of the beholder. From your perspective, experience may justify your classification of "fag" as hate speech. I agree the use of this word is best avoided.

Runce, the same reasoning would apply to the use of the word "twat". Zipper would probably consider "massive penis" a compliment.
 
 
The Natural Way
15:22 / 18.04.02
Okay then, how about "yapping arse w/ wheels and guns"?
 
  

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