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'Erotic intermittence'?

 
 
Ganesh
20:01 / 10.04.02
In a text analysing the work of Tom of Finland, I came across the following, from Roland Barthes' 'The Pleasure of the Text':

"Is not the most erotic portion of a body where the garment gapes? ... It is intermittence, as psychoanalysis has so rightly stated, which is erotic: the intermittence of skin flashing between two articles of clothing (trousers and sweater), between two edges (the open-necked shirt, the glove and the sleeve); it is the flash itself which seduces, or rather: the staging of an appearance-as-disappearance."

In that particular context, Barthes was being quoted literally, as explanation of how Tom of Finland created erotic tension in his work by half-clothing his figures. I can certainly think of plenty of personal examples...

I'm intrigued by the concept of intermittence, and wonder whether Barthes intended it in a more abstract way - to describe the fleeting seductiveness of certain ideas, say, or how desire (in a more general sense) is created (y'know, leave 'em wanting more). I'm not much of a theory bitch, though, and am unfamiliar with Barthes. I've also never come across the supposedly 'psychoanalytic' version of intermittence.

Anyone able to enlighten me?
 
 
ciarconn
23:29 / 11.04.02
OK, I haven't read Barthes, but I have made some reflections on erotism (as a essay for aesthethics).

As I see it, the intermittence is tempting, because it shows you your desire for a passing moment, and then leaves you desiring more. That might be one of the differences between erotism and pornography, erotism shows the minimum for stimulation of imagination, while pornography shows everything, in excess.

There is also the morbid pleasure of voiyeurism, in which you see what is partially hidden without the permission of the other. I do not remeber if I read it on Fromm or who, but I think voiyeurism is a derivation of sadism, in which you get pleasure out of demonstrating the domination of the other.

Hope this is of use.
 
 
Tom Coates
07:46 / 12.04.02
I don't think he's talking about psychoanalysis and intermittance as much as he's talking about the formation of the fetish - the foot fetish is to do with an imaginary transference of the erotic object from the genitals to the foot because of an association - ie. that the eye latches onto the one part of the body that is visible because it leads (up the leg) towards the sex organs , but becomes fixated on the erotic potential of that part instead of the goal that lies 'behind' it.

And if you're interested in Barthes' ideas of sex and love - you HAVE to buy The Lover's Discourse - which is frankly an astonishing unpicking of ideas and associations around falling in love with someone...
 
 
Cat Chant
07:46 / 12.04.02
It can definitely be applied to concepts, but I don't have a copy of The Pleasure of the Text - I'll have a look for it in the library today & see if I can restore the context.

God, I love Barthes.
 
 
Ganesh
10:34 / 12.04.02
Think I do too - will try to find both 'The Pleasure of the Text' and 'The Lover's Discourse'.

If he's referring to the association model of fetish formation, I've always found that rather dodgy. It works (with a little stretching) for 'body part' fetishes but, as a mechanism for anything weirder & moe wonderful, is on distinctly shaky ground.
 
 
Cavatina
04:00 / 13.04.02
Hmm. That Tom of Finland has chosen to ellide a clause there is interesting, Ganesh. Restored, Richard Miller's translation of the first couple of sentences in that section of Barthes' text actually read as follows:

"Is not the most erotic portion of a body where the garment gapes? In perversion (which is the realm of textual pleasure) there are no "erogenous zones" (a foolish expression, besides); it is intermittence, as ... ."

In writing thus about textuality/sexuality, Barthes is proposing an aesthetics (some would say an erotics) of the text based on bodily pleasure. He certainly makes use of Freudian concepts - in the paragraph following the one you have quoted, for example - as he describes what happens, or what we do in the process of reading as we make sense or otherwise of texts. He considers such things as pace, the propensity to skip passages, the intensity of reading, and so on.

Although what Barthes wrote after 1968 is considered post-structuralist, rather than structuralist, he was primarily a semiotician, and in The Pleasure of the Text , I think he is still preoccupied with opposing pairs of concepts, namely the readerly/writerly (or lisible/scriptible) text, and two sorts of bodily/textual enjoyment: plaisir 'pleasure' and jouissance roughly, 'bliss'. 'Jouissance' is a really difficult word to translate directly into English, but it carries meanings of ecstasy, sexual pleasure, delight.

'Readerly' texts appear to be those which are overdetermined in the sense that the proliferation and repetition of textual cues and clues are such that readers can be in no doubt about the text's preferred meanings, even if they choose to resist these and read against the grain. Such texts according to Barthes, provide and are associated with (bodily) comfort, refinement and plaisir . 'Writerly' texts, on the other hand, are those which require much greater effort on the part of readers - readers in effect become *writers*. These texts are often unsettling or provide the unexpected; they produce discomfort. One of Barthes' examples is a novel by Sollers. Such novels may be written in a seemingly unintelligible stream of consciousness style, contain puns, portmanteau words, even retreat into a private language. But the heightened form of pleasure which they provide, often deriving from gaps or holes or breakdowns in reading, he typifies as jouissance . Reading's no longer a matter of intuiting the whole, but rather seeing the (w)hole.

Hehehehe.

A la Barthes (that is, if we don't deconstruct his binary concepts first), over the next few months until Bloomsday, I reckon we can look forward to the sight of a number of orgasmic 'lithers en plein travail over in BOOKS, as they read/write James Joyce's Ulysses , eh?
 
 
Cavatina
04:06 / 13.04.02
Oops. 'elide' not 'ellide'.
 
 
Cavatina
23:14 / 13.04.02
O dear, I've also attributed the elision to Tom of Finland, instead of his critic.

Deva or Tom may be able to put a more psychoanalytic gloss on 'intermittence' as it is associated with the gaps or textual indeterminacies in reading of which Barthes speaks. On p. 27, he does say, "The text is a fetish object, and this fetish desires me and, on p.37, "the writer is someone who plays with his mother's body". While I'm happy with the relatively simple notion of the text as seductive, I don't subscribe to Oedipal theories about the Law of the Father and the incoherent, fragmented (M)Other.
 
 
alas
03:04 / 15.04.02
ooh cavatina lovely words on barthes . . . i also see his texts of bliss as being experienced as "moments"; once the game has been figured, the bliss ceases, or passes--might come again in some way; and I'd like to add also to the conversation that he's not saying/implying the text of pleasure is a "bad" thing, either, as it's kind of tempting to decide for us binary thinking folks; he's playing with our Puritan distrust of pleasure. One of the things I love in that text, which I don't have in front of me, alas!, is when he talks about people--critics, esp., I think--seeming to want a text free of the "stickiness" of ideology, of doxa. There is no pleasure in a text without that "stickiness."

fun fun fun.
 
  
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