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Society of the Spectacle

 
 
gozer the destructor
12:57 / 02.04.02
I've started reading Debords book recently and just wanted a discussion of how people react to his theories and if anybody has any new takes on the themes of the book? Also, what do people know of the White Bicycle thing they tried in Amsterdam? How well did it work?
 
 
Bill Posters
13:26 / 02.04.02
Me too, but I don't know the book. However, it's here should people wanna see it.
 
 
Bill Posters
13:27 / 02.04.02
Oh ruddy hell. Just cut'n'paste kids, I can't work this newfangled board out! It's at:

The Society of the Spectacle
 
 
gozer the destructor
14:19 / 02.04.02
I checked that site a while ago, and had some probs printing it out...
 
 
Tom Coates
17:38 / 02.04.02
Actually one of the things I'd be really interested in is work that connects DeBord and the situationists' "Spectacle" with Baudrillard's "Simulacrum". Is there a progression between the two or are they unconnected? If they are unconnected up until this point - COULD they be connected subsequently?
 
 
grant
18:15 / 02.04.02
Define "white bicycle thing", please.
 
 
gozer the destructor
06:34 / 03.04.02
It may have been the situationists or the Provos circa '68, they painted a load of bicycles white and left them on the streets as public property to combat the use of cars among other things, there is a manifesto somewhere, but the police started removing the bikes "in case they were tolen" and thats all I know...I want to know the effect it had on the public, how they responded...
 
 
gozer the destructor
06:36 / 03.04.02
As regards the idea of simulacrum, im a little ignorant-something to do with the image of something becoming more than the object? Is it like Lacans "Image is the murderer of the Object"?
 
 
sleazenation
06:59 / 03.04.02
Simulacra and Simulations
by Jean Baudrillard
 
 
BioDynamo
06:59 / 03.04.02

The "White bicycles"-concept was picked up, social-democratized and turned into a fun thing in, among other places, Copenhagen and Helsinki. In both these cities you can, in summer, find long racks of bikes chained up with a lock that opens with a coin. The coin remains trapped in the lock until you return it to a similar chain, as a deposit. Same thing as in some supermarkets with the carts. You are allowed to take these bikes, which are heavier and more heavily built than normal bikes in order to resist vandalism and not be very interesting to steal, around town.

Hardly revolutionary, very social democrat.

But a nice thing, nonetheless, if you want to get around Copenhagen.
 
 
grant
15:44 / 03.04.02
I thought that was the "yellow bike". What does it have to do with the Spectacle?
 
 
gozer the destructor
11:38 / 05.04.02
When the revolution came and the micro-society broke out of its limits, in May 1968, when re-totalization seemed to be on the agenda, it nonetheless failed. Perhaps the only practical endeavour which remained was the White Bicycles project in Amsterdam, organized by the Provos, for whom Constant was an important source of ideas. White bicycles could be ridden by anyone, left in the street when the journey was over and then picked up by someone else to use for another journey, and so on. Free, spontaneous transport anywhere in the city. It resembles the idea of the dérive, rather than that of Unitary Urbanism, but for a short while, as long as there was goodwill, it seemed to work. Perhaps it was the nearest the Situationists came to changing the urban environment. The main activity of May 68, however, was the promotion of occupations and, most celebrated of all, the painting of graffiti. Occupations changed the relations of power, temporarily, but didn’t change the architecture. Graffiti entered the popular memory, but in the end they were scrubbed off.

there really isn't much on the web at all,
 
 
gozer the destructor
11:39 / 05.04.02
http://www.newleftreview.net/NLR24206.shtml

sorry, don't know how to do the links yet...
 
  
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