Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.

What next in Israel?

Page: 1(2)

The Planet of Sound

17:08 / 04.04.02

Okay, pub-logic, but how about this for a solution to the Israel/Palestine problem? Dubya takes an area of Texas the size of Israel, and declares it 'New Israel' (maybe coming up with a rapidly written Third Testament full of twoddle about the Next Exodus or somesuch). Much money spent on duplicating the existing Israel in New Israel. The States offers money, jobs, relocation packages, and airbuses the Israelis out. The Palestinians get their old land back, we can forget all the religious crap and the world takes a step back from oblivion... does this idea suck?

pointless and uncalled for

17:15 / 04.04.02

Oddly enough this very solution was proffered at a rally that I attended on Saturday. About 2000 Palestinians and assorted socialists thought that it was quite a good idea.

seamonkey

17:16 / 04.04.02

Errr...Not a good idea if you put them right in the midst of "Klan Country".

MJ-12

17:19 / 04.04.02

how do they feel about the idea of giving the Palestinians the slice of Texas?

Hieronymus

18:33 / 04.04.02

And they called it home.

The Planet of Sound

19:26 / 04.04.02

What was the rally, Heterodox? I'd be interested to find out more, if this idea is taken seriously by thinkin' folks...

pointless and uncalled for

19:36 / 04.04.02

The rally was the Palestinian community of Toronto/surrounding areas and the usual group of socially disaffecteds. They started at the Ontario Provincial Government buildings and then carried symbolic coffins to the Israeli Embassy and then to the U.S. Consulate.

Fairly peaceful in terms that at a rally of 2000+ only two arrests(temporary detentions for the duration of the rally) and those were for being stupid. A TV camera was trashed while the cameraman tried to film an impromptu flag burning but frankly he asked for it. The rest of us camera wielding types had the sense to keep a respectable distance.

As for the suggestion, it was some anti-American invective at the current administration's support for Israels's activities. I doubt a suggestion like that could ever be taken seriously. America is inlikely to re-enter the relocation business and Israel is unlikely to move into the land of all that is unholy.

Baz Auckland

20:33 / 04.04.02

I can't find any links right now, but I remember hearing that Palestine wasn't the only choice for where to put Israel... apparently the founders of Zionism were thinking of asking for a slice of Argentina.... how very strange.... well, I guess moving to Palestine en masse was sort of wierd too...

sleazenation

08:25 / 05.04.02

Everyone who is interested is probably already aware of this but Sharon refuses to listen to US calls for Israeli withdrawl.

The Planet of Sound

08:43 / 05.04.02

Argentina? So, in a parallel world, the conflict is between Israelis and Latin Fascists...

As the founding of modern Israel was essentially an apology for the Holocaust, one wonders why a part of Germany couldn't have been allocated. Could it be that American interests are served by having a sympathetic democracy/protectorate in the oil rich Middle East, perhaps?

Kit-Cat Club

08:46 / 05.04.02

Isn't it obvious why the area of the Middle East which is now Israel was chosen? It is the area from which the Jews originally came, after all, and as such the closest they get to an ancestral homeland. I am sure it was strategically helpful to the Western powers (& IIRC Britain rather than the US was the prime mover in actually 'clearing the space'), but that cannot have been the only reason.

I imagine that many European Jews who managed to survive the Holocaust would have been less than keen on settling in Germany straight after the war - for reasons which are, again, obvious.

pacha perplexa

10:35 / 05.04.02

[b]Argentina? So, in a parallel world, the conflict is between Israelis and Latin Fascists... [/b]

Sorry if I'm mistaken, but what makes you think argentinians are fascists?

The dictatorship era is over there, as far as I know. Besides, their military power is almost comparable to palestinian firepower - they could never start a conflict with Israelis if they decided to move there. Don't be fooled by the old generals that survive on pride and goverment favours, only.

Our Lady of The Two Towers

10:40 / 05.04.02

Seeing as the Arab world has told Bush to fuck off over his ideas to bomb Iraq for no credible reason I wonder if he's going to try and get the Israelis to step back from the brink as a means to get bombing rights? His room for manouver is small, can he go to war if the Arab League don't want him to (especially as they've just let Iraq back in)?

Hieronymus

11:16 / 05.04.02

Doubtful. I think Bush would find it difficult to stage any sort of air attacks from any other base than those in Saudi Arabia and nearby Arab states. He could do it but it would be a major strategic pain in the ass. And the Saudi government has a justified 'not-no but hell no!' attitude about it. Iraq's a toothless tiger. And this 'axis of evil' rhetoric reeks of Oceania vs. Eurasia.

I thought it was funny actually that the Arab League said they wouldn't even discuss action against Iraq until Bush put the Israel/Palestine conflict to task. Heh heh. Sucker.

gozer the destructor

11:48 / 05.04.02

And this 'axis of evil' rhetoric reeks of Oceania vs. Eurasia.
Totally agree the 'War against terror is just another economic 'cold war', balance the budget, balance the budget, bal...

pointless and uncalled for

12:08 / 05.04.02

I'm not sure if it's some kind of insider politiking but I'm actually impressed with the leader of this country for the first time in the three years that I've been here. He actually managed to drag his ugly head out of Bush's ass long enough to speak out against Israeli occupation. Not only that he did it before Bush and seems to have gone further.

Page: 1(2)

Add Your Reply