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Char Aina
12:49 / 07.09.05
i wasnt attempting to defend the right to use racist epithets. i was pointing out that 'racist filth' might have been a bit strong.

unconvinced as you may be of the argument, i have spoken to many australians who use terms i fid racist in the context of my life who intend no offence and have used them without causing much either.

guilty of racism?
possibly.
racist filth?
not really.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:56 / 07.09.05
Questions, toksie:

1) Do people of South Asian origin or descent generally like being addressed using that term, in general, in your expert opinion?
2) Do you believe that Barbelith should be a place where such terms can be used without question?
3) Did you notice my restatement of the original admonition, or did that escape your attention?
4) Why, exactly, have you decided to start worrying at this?

Now we just need Duncie to turn up and we'll be straight back in the 2002 revival...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:05 / 07.09.05
Incidentally, I'd probably ask further:

i have spoken to many australians who use terms i fid racist in the context of my life who intend no offence and have used them without causing much either.

the identity of the people in whose company they did not cause much offence. I suspect that they might actually not be people who would find themselves on the receiving end of the term themselves, although this is of course supposition. I guess in that case the only thign to do would be to explain to the Australian in question that the terminology they are using might give people the impression in other cultures that they were (let's say) a piece of filth, and as such they should probably dial it back a bit in mixed company. If George Bush could get the hang of it, I daresay an intelligent and able bunch like the Aussies can.
 
 
Char Aina
13:11 / 07.09.05

1) Do people of South Asian origin or descent generally like being addressed using that term, in general, in your expert opinion?
2) Do you believe that Barbelith should be a place where such terms can be used without question?
3) Did you notice my restatement of the original admonition, or did that escape your attention?
4) Why, exactly, have you decided to start worrying at this?



1
the terms of the question are misleading. i am not an expert, nor can i give an answer based on anything other than guesswork.
my guess would be based on experience in the few countries i have visited, none of them in south east asia.
in general in the uk?
certainly not.
in general in australia?
well, it was only used twice in my presence and on both occasions it seemed accepted. once was by a pakistani gent, both were in front of other pakistani gentlemen.
neither time was it used as a catch all for SEasian.

2
certainly not.
barbelith should not be a pace where anything can be said or done without question. a concept intrisic to the spirit of this place, i feel, is to constantly question and improve our modes of interaction.
this would be the root of my questioning your condemnation of someone as racist filth on what i feel is inadequate evidence.

3
i noticed it, but not before my initial post.
i was posting while yours arrived.

4
do you believe that barbelith should be a place where such terms as racist filth can be used without question?
 
 
Quantum
13:12 / 07.09.05
Bush famously used it while addressing an audience of Pakistanis and had to apologise, because it's offensive, even though he didn't mean it to be. Unlike 'piece of filth' which is deliberately offensive and independent of race.

Cool Quotes people, here's a Bushism as an example;

"Well, I think if you say you're going to do something and don't do it, that's trustworthiness."
 
 
Char Aina
13:12 / 07.09.05
i'm sorry, we seem to have cross posted again.
do you feel i answered your question?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:20 / 07.09.05
God. Only just caught up to this.

Mistoffeles: the term 'P**i' is one that is generally considered to be vastly offensive.

There are environments in which it isn't, but I'm not going out on a limb in suggestion that these are vastly in the minority. It's hate speech, with a long history of use as racist persecution that continues today.

I happy to expand on this and I'm going to assume that you were not aware of the offensiveness of this term and wouldn't have posted it if you were.

Please be aware of this and don't post quotes that unquestioningly make use of this term.

I'm moving to moderate the quote, to the spelled/starred version I use above, for Googling reasons.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:23 / 07.09.05
Oh, and in my moderation post, I added that though I feel the moderation is justified for Googleability, I don't think that uncritically quoted racist terms have a place on Barbelith.

I have also bumped a thread dealing with racist terminology in the Policy for further discussion .
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:35 / 07.09.05
Well, you didn't really answer my first question at all, and whereas you answered my third question to say that you had indeed not read my restatement, you then answered my fourth question as if you had still not read it. So, no, I don't think that was satisfactory.

As far as I can tell, your position appears to be that the use of the term twice in your experience of Australians, in both cases in convivial company - presumably everybody there knew each other reasonably well? - and in one case by a Pakistani man, and in both cases specifically as an abbreviation of Pakistani rather than a catch-all derogative for South Asians generally (a distinction observed to an extent and, to my knowledge uiniquely, in Australia) means that it is somehow unfair to question its use in a random comment on the Internet about AC/DC. This requires us first to believe that the writer is Australian, of which there is no evidence within the text, and secondly that he is referring specifically by the use of the term to people holding passports from the Republic of Pakistan.

But why would that be? This is, I imagine, a reference to the July 7 bombings, where I seem to recall the taste filters got a bit confused generally. Is the idea that anyone travelling under a Pakistani passport will be under suspicion of infiltrating the country under a false identity? If so, why on Earth would they be using a (suspicious) Pakistani passport? Further, were those identified as the bombers not primarily possessed of British passports? As such, what profit would there be in this? It seems to me that for the analogy to work, you have to assume that the term is being used to mean "brown-skinned person". It's possible that that level of intellectual rigour has not been applied here. This does not, however, mean that it should not be, especially if you are going a) to publish your thoughts on AC/DC on the Internet or b) to quote somebody else's thoughts on AC/DC on the Internet in those terms.

Now, back when Duncie aired his views on this, I started a thread with this term in the title. I was subsequently taken to task for it, on the grounds that, no matter hwo noble my intentions, there were still people on Barbelith who didn't want to have to be confronted by it, and who responded to it on a visceral level which my white-liberal-fury couldn't approach or comprehend. While I still think this objection could have been handled far better, I can see its justice, and why I was wrong to use the term carelessly even while challenging it. As such, I have no problem with challenging its use in terms not only of some abstract principle but also the impact it will have on people reading Barbelith, some of whom aren't Australian. I believe that to be a more compelling immediacy than the fear that somebody who does not read Barbelith may be the subject of a critique of his choice of words that he will never read. YMMV.
 
 
Char Aina
13:58 / 07.09.05

As far as I can tell, yoour position appears to be that the use of the term twice in your experience of Australians, in both cases in convivial company - presumably everybody there knew each other reasonably well? - and in one case by a Pakistani man, and in both cases specifically as an abbreviation of Pakistani rather than a catch-all derogative for South Asians generally (a distinction observed to an extent and, to my knowledge uiniquely, in Australia) means that it is somehow unfair to question its use in a random comment on the Internet about AC/DC.

no.
my position is that it is unfair to leap to the assumption that the use of the word denotes racist filth, something on which we seem to agree.
i would ask you perhaps to read my post and tell me where i said it shouldnt be questioned, and perhaps direct you to where i said it should.
also, this distinction you speak of is not one i claimed was australia-wide. in the two examples i cited the term was used to refer to a specific person(different in each case) of pakistani origin. one was australian and pakistani in his own eyes, the other identified as pakistani living in australia.
(although strictly speaking he identified as an ozzie p*k*)
i did mention the racist connotations of the term on one of these occasions, and was met with mild surprise.


This requires us first to believe that the writer is Australian, of which there is no evidence within the text, and secondly that he is referring specifically by the use of the term to people holding passports from the Republic of Pakistan.

i dont agree.
i didnt say he was australian, merely that it was possible he was. this was inspired by the disproportionately large AC/DC fanbase in that country.
as to pakistani; perhaps i confused you. i was using 'pakistani gent' to mean 'man identifying as pakistani', not 'member of the nation that is known as the republic of pakistan'.


Now, back when Duncie aired his views on this, I started a thread with this term in the title. I was subsequently taken to task for it[...]While I still think this objection could have been handled far better, I can see its justice.


similarly, i feel that to object to the use of the term is fair and acceptable, but the manner in which you did so initially was not. (offtopic, i also feel that your use of duncie and toksie might be seen as less than helpful, but hey. you do it all the time and i'm sure i can continue to accept it.)


I believe that to be a more compelling immediacy than the fear that somebody who does not read Barbelith may be the subject of a critique of his choice of words that he will never read. YMMV.

i'm not sure where i gave you the impression that i was arguing for the sake of the mystery poster's comfort.
i was pointing out that you had used unfortunate word choice, something you seem to have agreed on, having now repeatedly distanced yourself from it.

fair enough and all that.
promise you wont do it again and i'll promise to continue not to use racist epithets.
 
 
Evil Scientist
14:18 / 07.09.05
"I watched a snail crawl along the edge of a straight razor. That's my dream. That's my nightmare. Crawling along the edge of a straight...razor...and surviving."

Kurtz, Apocalypse Now.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:20 / 07.09.05
Well, toksie, if people feel entitled to call other people hateful things on the Internet, I'm pretty much happy to call them racist pieces of filth (not >racist filth - if you're going to obsess over a phrase, get it right, FFS - otherwise it looks like you're not taking things seriously).

i didnt say he was australian, merely that it was possible he was. this was inspired by the disproportionately large AC/DC fanbase in that country.
as to pakistani; perhaps i confused you. i was using 'pakistani gentleman' to mean 'man identifying as pakistani', not 'member of the nation that is known as the republic of pakistan'.

You apppear to have misunderstood me completely. This is not very complex, but the potential for misunderstanding is clearly present, so please pay attention. The original text cites passport control at Heathrow. Your contention is that the term as used there may not have racist intent, which argument works if and only if a) the writer is Australian (or belongs to some other country in which the term can be used of those who identify as Pakistani without offensive intent) and b) the term is being used to described somebody who is Pakistani or of Pakistani origin or descent. However, and this is where I get a bit disturbed at how little attention you are paying, you don't get "identifying as Pakistani" passports, do you? You do not. So, the term either meant "Having a Pakistani passport" or "brown-skinned". I think it makes sense to assume the latter.

Islamic Republic of Pakistan, btw.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:25 / 07.09.05
Only just clocked this.

For fuck's sake. I don't give a spoonful of cold monkey spunk if that word is or is not offensive in Australia, it's fucking offensive here< on the board, which is where it's being used. This isn't some airy-fairy theoretical discussion, there are real people really reading this who really have to deal personally with being called a P*** and worse, in real life, and don't want to have to read eyestabbingly nasty terms like this on Barbelith.

I really hope this is one of those English-not-being-a-person's-first-language errors, coz otherwise the term "racist filth" is entirely justified.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:30 / 07.09.05
Oh yeah, and if I' had inadvertantly used a term that was racist and offensive I'd want to have that pointed out so's to avoid using it again.
 
 
Char Aina
14:41 / 07.09.05

Your contention is that the term may not have racist intent, which argument works if and only if a) the writer is Australian


i disagree.
we are looking here at schroeder's AC/DC fan.
it may or may not have racist intent.
proving australian origin is unnecessary for this to be true.


you don't get "identifying as Pakistani" passports, do you? You do not. So, the term either meant "Having a Pakistani passport" or "brown-skinned". I think it makes sense to assume the latter, for the reasons given above.

so you can ask to see a pakistani's passport, based on the fact that it is a pakistani passport?
how on earth can you know before checking?
wouldnt it be fair to assume that a man identifying as pakistani might be more likely to be checked by customs and passport control, whatever passport he held?
being checked more often might be because of skin colour, sure. it would also be fair to say that thse who identify as pakistani but who are white would not be subject to teh same racial profiling.
but that wouldnt make it untrue that those identifying as pakistani are more likely to be checked, would it?


and i do know you said racist pieces of filth, dude.
i felt safe in shortening it because i felt it didnt affect the point to do so.
feel free to educate me on how exactly it does make a difference. if i agree i will gladly moderate all instances.


Islamic Republic of Pakistan, btw.

i stand corrected.
incidentally, i used the term after you did.
was this last comment also a 'note to self'?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:48 / 07.09.05
Toksik, your last post on page three uses the 'p' word. Could you change it please?
 
 
Char Aina
14:59 / 07.09.05

For fuck's sake.

bless you.


I really hope this is one of those English-not-being-a-person's-first-language errors, coz otherwise the term "racist filth" is entirely justified.

perhaps it is.
this is kinda my point.

I don't [care] if that word is or is not offensive in Australia, it's [...] offensive here

see, this is the thing.
you dont care if somoeone from an other cultural base is using a term ze has known to be acceptable, you just want them to understand that it isnt here.
wouldnt terms like 'ill advised' or ignorant of the cultural norms of the audience' be more apporpriate than 'racist filth'?
racist actions and words that come through ignorance or lack of examination are not cool, but they are less not-cool than those that arise through wilful hatred.


Oh yeah, and if I' had inadvertantly used a term that was racist and offensive I'd want to have that pointed out so's to avoid using it again.

as would i.
i'd probably take offence at being called 'filth', however, seeing as how any transgression would be most likely through ignorance of the connotations of my langage.

isnt 'filth' better reserved for wilful racists, if anyone?
 
 
Liger Null
15:00 / 07.09.05
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Declare a dead horse more cost effective than a live one.
Form a workgroup to propose uses for a dead horse.
Change performance requirements for the horse.
Promote the dead horse to a supervisory position.

-Anonymous
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:03 / 07.09.05
toksik, I find your obsessive quibbling about this, appearing as it does to be a defence of the use of racist terminology on Barbelith by creating a smokescreen of grinding, semi-comprehensible whining, pretty digusting.

Now, since you don't appear to know how passports work - unless you're just bleating in the hope that everyone else will give up in the face of your superior endurance - let me give you a brief explanation. You walk to passport control. You show your passport.

Got that? You don't get asked "So, what nationality do you identify as?"

As such, the writer must have been referring either to holders of Pakistani passports specifically, in which case although by your lights not racist (assuming the writer is so acculturated), or to people who look South Asian generally. Unless you genuinely think that the writer was using the term to describe pale-skinned holders of passports from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Stop making up imaginary scenarios in your head. Look at what he wrote. Decide whether you think that is the kind of thing that people should post on Barbelith. Don't try to change the subject by complaining about me being wude. Don't pull some absurd fable of Bizarro Terminal 3 out of your arse. Decide. If you think that we should just let stuff like that hang about unchallenged, then fine. If not, ask yourself what you're trying to do here. I remember years ago having to take time out from a discussion just to try to persuade you that the entire thread wasn't about your entitlement to use racially abusive epithets with your great mate. Do you still believe that the most important thing in any discussion of racism is you?

I find this nitpickapalooza repulsive and ethically dubious. If you want to waste more of my time, PM me, but show some respect and try to hold yourself to some standard of relevance in this thread.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:10 / 07.09.05
i'd probably take offence at being called 'filth'

If I'd used a word with the same emotional weight as 'P***', even unintentionally, I'd probably forgive any namecalling that I got as a result. Offensive language is still offensive even if it's used in error, and when you use offensive language people tend to get, well, offended. Offended people tend to get a bit heated.

toksik, I like you but you're dead wrong on this.
 
 
The Falcon
15:10 / 07.09.05
What do you suggest Flowers, inverted commas, "scarequotes" or starring?

I'm really not sure about this. They're going for stars here, anyway. Rebooted here, from today. Open to all, as ever.

I've made my suggestions there, and do believe that it's a word not acceptable for this public forum, but am not sure that starring such words up, like a damn tabloid paper, either a) does any good, or b) doesn't simply offer another means. We can also get word filters, no? Prevention over cure.

I'd have opted for deletion, at first thought, and informing the poster, but perhaps we can end this here. Or come to some satisfactory conclusion.

P.S. Not a terribly cool quote, and I really hope that's not a silent 'c' in my name there, Tinn.
 
 
Char Aina
15:22 / 07.09.05
Decide whether you think that is the kind of thing that people should post on Barbelith. Don't try to change the subject by complaining about me being wude.

it isnt.
it is a bad thing to have written, wherever it is written.
while it does show that tha author is willing(whether wilfully or not) to use racist terminology, it doesnt necessarily show that the author is racist filth.

that is and always was my point.
the use of the term is not something i enjoy, endorse, or support, and frankly i am surprised that you think it is.

on passports;

Now, since you don't appear to know how passports work -
[...]
You walk to passport control. You show your passport.
[...]
Got that? You don't get asked "So, what nationality do you identify as?"


i know.
why do you feel you would you need to be asked?
there will be those who are not pakistani who will be stopped as well.
the likelyhood of being in both the 'stopped' and 'pakistani' circles of the venn diagram has no dependance on the offical stopping you knowing you are the latter.
it would probably have much to do with the current climate of fear surrounding anyone who is brown, and with the fact that most pakistanis are so coloured.


on PMs;
you first.
you are shitting up a perfectly good thread as much as i, and you have the same power to end it.
i am not enjoying your thinly velied accusations of stupidity and prefer to defend them publicly.
adress me in private and i will respond in private.
or 'if you want me to stop dancing, you might stop shooting at my feet' to paraphrase from earlier and elsewhere.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:28 / 07.09.05
I don't think we can get word filters, Duncan - I mean, in terms of the software running Barbelith. I would probably have deleted this one, given my druthers and if that was accepted practice, but I think it's harder when it is less monadic - when it's part of an ongoing thread and has connections to the foregoing and subsequent posts. At that point starring-out might make better sense. Also if you're using the terms in discussion - metadiscussion, if you like -where the starring shows that the term's use is not unproblematic. It's partly about sending a message out, and partly about the impact on people - on a trivial level, that such terminology tends to raise the temperature and lead people to do and say unhelpful things (or encourages people to feel that this is terminology it's OK to use on Barbelith - the broken window model), and on a more profound level the way it makes somebody who has had to live with being on the receiving end of the terms in real life feel to see it in text here...
 
 
*
17:14 / 07.09.05
Just briefly:

The reasons why I agree with Haus: Racist sentiments need to be called out and challenged, and it's not fair to ask people to be extra polite about language which by nature evokes a really powerful negative reaction. In any case, a polite "That could be seen by some as racist and it's not appropriate for this board" is not going to make someone realize they've done wrong, quite like a "Hey, you bastard, that makes me so mad I could puke, stop polluting my space with your racist shit."

The reason I agree with toksik: Making the issue about the person and not the language makes people less willing to own up to their racism. As someone (perhaps GGMeme?) said somewhere on this board, if someone tells you you've said something racist you should take it like someone telling you you've got a bogey hanging out of your nose— fix the problem, thank them for the heads-up, and move on. It's harder to do that when someone is telling you not that you've said something racist but that you are a horrible person or some other phrase synonymous with such. Still, the burden should probably be on the person who made the error to respond appropriately, not on the person doing the favor of pointing the error out.

And perhaps this should be in the other thread instead, but all the discussion about this particular event seems to be here.
 
 
Bastard Tweed
17:47 / 07.09.05
Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that while the angry debate on the nature of racism and invective has been raging apace, there have been a few people just desperately trying to return the thread to the subject of cool quotes?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:54 / 07.09.05
Isn't it, though?

Very wise post, Sentimentity. This bears repeating.

As someone (perhaps GGMeme?) said somewhere on this board, if someone tells you you've said something racist you should take it like someone telling you you've got a bogey hanging out of your nose— fix the problem, thank them for the heads-up, and move on.

Deva, paraphrasing Marge Piercey, although I think it was actually being called a racist that was like a bogey rather than like syphillis. I'll quote myself here:

Calling somebody a racist is a very, very big thing to do, especially to somebody who identifies strongly as non-racist. As such, if somebody says "what you have just said is racist", as somebody with a lot invested in not being a racist there will be a strong temptation to choose the response that keeps one far from the accusation of racism - that is "that statement is a result of your bad conscience/ your desire to create conflict/your desire to be seen as Politically Correct, and therefore has no bearing on my behaviour, but rather the failings of you, the person making the statement." The consequences of this being far less than the consequences of accepting a label as charged as "racist". Which, by the way, is why I see the separation of the ideas of being racist and doing racist, for example, as terribly important.


Now, I was not calling Mistoffeles a racist, although I think that, wittingly or not, he was repeating a racist statement and using a racist term - doing racism. I realised the potential misunderstanding of my original statement and clarified/qualified it.

The originator of the original statement, through commission or omission, is as far as I'm concerned a racist. Bogey or syphilis, you choose. Since he does not read Barbelith, and as such his feelings are unlikely to be affected either way, I felt a rhetorical flourish was justifiable, although I then qualified that as well.

toksik has subsequently attempted to find a way, no matter how baroque, for the original quote not to be racist, in order to lend further moral force to his disapproval of calling another human being a racist piece of filth. For me, that has the effect of consistently seeming to aim to obfuscate the criticism of the original statement as racist and the action of quoting it as unacceptable on Barbelith (with or without the quotes, to be honest - it's only Mist's status as a non-English speaker that precludes a firmer response).

The original comment qua Angus Young, by the way, was made on an American discussion board by somebody who represents themself as coming from Hollywood. Not sure where that fits on the Racichter scale.
 
 
Char Aina
18:00 / 07.09.05

toksik has subsequently attempted to find a way, no matter how baroque, for the original quote not to be racist, in order to lend further moral force to his disapproval of calling another human being a racist piece of filth.


my intentio has alwas been to demonstrate that the person who first said the damn thing might not be a rabid racist.
i'm not sayig ze isnt.
you are fighting with an opinion i dont hold.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:09 / 07.09.05
I'm not looking at your opinions, toksik. I'm looking at your methods, which have involved a series of increasingly tortured attempts to create a world in which the original statement could have been uttered without any possible racist intent, taking into account geography, culture, identity politics and the functioning of British passport control, which have, as I said, consistently appeared to apologise for and legitimise the use of racist language in order to lend force to your thesis that the statement I immediately clarified was unacceptable. That may not have been your intention, but it's certainly my perception of what you were doing, whether you were aware of it or not.
 
 
Char Aina
18:27 / 07.09.05

attempts to create a world in which the original statement could have been uttered without any possible racist intent


perhaps you should read the post of mine that kicks this off again.
i said 'way less connotations of racism'.
i'm not saying anything about an absence of racism, just that your level of condemnation was unfair.
i have attempted to demonstrate that the term, while racist, can be used in a less racist manner than that which might merit the language you chose.

i am sorry if i have given you the impression that i am trying to defend racism or its symptomatic language, and i apologise for my part in your confusion.
i respectfully suggest that i havent been defending the rights of racists and that you are wrong in your characterisation of my intent.
(the misunderstanding seems almost wilful to be honest, but i am willing to believe that it is not.)

i also wonder why, after we began a private conversation on this topic, you have felt the need to make this a public argument.
(my apologies if acknowledgement of the existence of private correspondence is deemed as innapropriate as the divulging of the content of same. i can remove the comment if it seems untoward.)
 
 
Mistoffelees
18:35 / 07.09.05
Hi!

I just got a pm from Goodness Gracious Meme about my quote. I agree, if it is offensive, then delete it.

I did not mean any offense. English is not my native language, and although I´ve been learning it for many years now, I still don´t speak/read/write it as well as my own language.

And I certainly don´t know all your swear words yet. That´s why I was unaware, that that word is offensive, or "hate speech" as Goodness Gracious Meme calls it in hir pm.

So if I have offended anybody, I´m sorry.

I just found that quote while surfing and it sounded like a funny bon mot about rock n´ roll.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
18:38 / 07.09.05
Haus leave him alone. He was trying to be kind to someone because he thought that they'd made an unintentional mistake with language. Toksik hasn't defended the word, he's only given someone the benefit of the doubt and he's highlighted that he was trying to do that throughout the thread and if you can't see that in almost every post that he's written in response to you than it's because you're making a generalisation about him.

Toksik, you made an assumption about other cultures but basically you should probably stick to the meanings you definitely know in future.

Now can you both shut up and stop arguing with each other because you don't like each other. This isn't demonstrating a good analysis of racist language to me, it's demonstrating the bias that two individuals hold against each other.
 
 
Char Aina
18:40 / 07.09.05
see, i like him though.
i just dont like his act.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
18:54 / 07.09.05
I just found that quote while surfing and it sounded like a funny bon mot about rock n´ roll

You don't know that word is offensive, but you used the term bon mot pretty effectively? Benefit of the doubt and all, but think more carefully next time maybe.
 
 
Mistoffelees
19:00 / 07.09.05
I had 8 years of english language education, five years of french education in school.
 
 
Lurid Archive
19:06 / 07.09.05
You don't know that word is offensive, but you used the term bon mot pretty effectively?

Totally plausible, if you ask me.
 
  

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