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New X-Men 125

 
  

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Ganesh
12:57 / 21.04.02
Hmm, not sure. Morrison's never been that great on alternate sexualities; he just never seems to get the details quite right. I read the Beast line as vaguely insulting to us fudge-packers, and I'm not sure Morrison's subtle enough that it wasn't just a slightly crass mistake in emphasis.

I think it's not a bad idea (nice for adolescent X-fans to confront some explicit rather than implicit homoerotica) but I do have a slightly bad feeling about where he's gonna go with this...
 
 
The Natural Way
19:00 / 21.04.02
Wot...funny, tentacled, robot, three-headed, male manbats?

Bio K9: That's nice. Thanks.

Sax: I was just thinking exactly the same thing. They've just gotta pluck up the balls.....
 
 
Tamayyurt
22:51 / 21.04.02
just read it (after reading all the spoilers here) you guys tell it so much better! The only thing that was cooler upon reading was the bit with the "team" of students sneaking about.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:12 / 22.04.02
Due to my seemingly never-ending, cancelled-a-year-ago Wizard subscription, I have the new issue with an interview with Grant and Frank. I'm not going to write out the whole thing, but here are the relevant bits:

Grant, on if he writes for an older audience:

I just kind of write for intelligent 14 year olds.

Plans for the next year of stories:

After the Cassandra thing is over, we'll have a story with Xorn that's really weird. Then we'll see Charles and Jean in Paris setting up X-Corporations around the world. We're going to take up what Joe (Casey) did with the X-Corps and weave it back. I want to make it more of a benign corporate thing...and we learn all about the strange underground projects that I can't divulge too much about yet. And also, the Professor starts probing the limits of what Jean can possibly do with the Phoenix - which is definitely back - and what's happening to her, and why it's happening to her. I want to deal with the fact that I see Jean as possibly having godlike potential. What happens is she gets smarter and smarter, more empathic and intuitive - what do you become?

Will other X-Men have secondary mutations?

All of them are actually doing it, I just haven't told you yet each little thing that's going on. We've seen Emma doing it; Jean's in the process of exhibiting her second mutation. So, there are a lot of things going on that haven't been revealed yet.

Why create a new Angel?

I kind of wanted to create lots of new mutants and test the waters a bit. It just seemed right for the whole school aspect of it. I wanted to create Angel as a kind of nasty character that takes years to get anyone to like her. Now all these new ones are starting to write themselves. The Beak was supposed to die after one issue, but he keeps coming back, getting more aggressive. He's fucking angry, there's no pity to him and he writes himself.

Any Magneto stories planned?

He's dead, basically. I have a little aftermath thing that's a one-shot, which is Havok and Polaris and these ambient magnetic fields. There's this weird thing in the ruins of Genosha and it's kind of what's left of Magneto. As far as I'm concerned, he's dead. Wipe out the past! Magneto will come back. Someone will bring him back. Someone always does....bringing back Magneto seems so obvious. Why do it?

A question for Frank - Are there any X-Men you want to bring back and update from an art perspective?

There was this guy...I think he was Scott Summers' brother...
Grant: Havok. He's back, but you're not drawing that one
No, he wore a black costume...
Yeah, that's him. He's in it.
Naw, he had this pointy head gear thing...
Yeah, he's in an issue, but you're not drawing it
(frowning)Yeah, well...I would have liked to have drawn Havok for no particular reason other than that I remember him.

Who's your favorite X-character?

Cyclops and Emma Frost. Cyclops because he's the coolest X-Man of them all...

Cyclops is definitely one of the best.

He's so repressed and brilliant. He just always does the right thing. He never lets you down, even though he's so fucked up. And that's his genius. And Emma's just great to write. She's my favorite to write. But I use her to voice some of my own female characteristics. There's such a great dynamic between them.... There's a lot going on there with Emma, Scott, and Jean. Emma puts out, but Jean's actually more hardcore than Emma, and Scott's torn between these two women. It's a weird, interesting set-up. And both women are telepathic - that spells bad news for Scott Summers.

It's your worst nightmare, isn't it?

Think about it. You're in the middle and they can read your thoughts. Every fantasy you have at night, they know it. There's no escaping them. That's fun.

Scott's definitely fun. He's more like us than Xavier, Logan, or Henry.

And he always tries to be a superhero. He's really good. he really wants to be a hero.

There's none I like to draw more than others, but I do enjoy Scott.

Frank, what's up with the lips?

My lips?

The lips on everyone you draw.

It's a personal thing! (chuckles)
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
17:25 / 22.04.02
ta.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:55 / 22.04.02
Another fun fact: if you look closely, every single page of #118 has the word "sex" drawn into the backgrounds. It was a quiet little joke that Grant and Ethan pulled together, but Mark Powers was apparently unaware...
 
 
FinderWolf
22:18 / 22.04.02
Thanks for posting the excerpts from the Grant Morrison interview! I love his X-Men stuff........it's really made care about the X-Men again for the first time in 10 years. (The movie made me care about them for the first time in 10 years also)
 
 
The Sinister Haiku Bureau
23:23 / 22.04.02
Okay, I have to ask, Flux: Where are all these 'Sex'es? I just reread the damned thing, and I only found 1 and 2/3 ( in the pink swirlyness on jeans left, bottom panel, p6, and an SE in the smoke in the 2nd panel of p2). Do you, or anybody else, know where the rest are?
Oh, and cheers for posting the interview.
 
 
The Natural Way
08:19 / 23.04.02
Cheers, Mr. Flux.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:51 / 23.04.02
Ah, I think maybe the thing about "sex" being drawn into issue 118 was a joke by the poster. Is this for real or not? If it's false, you know you've suddenly got all these 'Lithers poring through that issue to see hidden messages that aren't really there!

Anyway, here's two weird questions/points about #125:

1) Why spend a whole panel showing a newsguy asking "Who's that man?" and having the Beast introduce Logan in a roundabout, mysterious way? Is this just for new readers who may be picking up the book for the first time>?

2) "I'll never use spearmint toothpaste again" : Is this Morrison saying that's what that weird "hood" smelled/felt like to Emma?

Oh, and for the record: The Beast wasn't kidding when he said "I think I might be gay." And I think it's a cool idea.

Take care --
 
 
sleazenation
14:05 / 23.04.02
sfor i while there i was convinced the sage was trying to draw a magic circle around charles/nova...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:11 / 23.04.02
It's not a joke. The word "sex" really is drawn into every page of 118.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:36 / 23.04.02
Wolvie: s'just supposed to be funny. Imagine trying to explain Wolverine away to someone who didn't know him, but was curious about the excessively violent dwarf who'd just tried to cut up some superaliens with the weird claw things sticking outta his knuckles. I mean, who the fuck is this guy? Is he s'posed to be a teacher...?

Etc...

Toothpaste: you'd probably feel the same way if you'd just spent the last hour with yr head crammed in a "space helmet" huffing toothpaste breath, with nowhere for it to escape to except up yr nose.

Very simple.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:38 / 23.04.02
Here's some of the ones that I've found so far:

page 7: panel one, in the graffiti - sorta diagonal, the letters of "make them EX-men" and "deStroy the mutant plague".

page 8: panel four, look on the right hand side of the page, in the middle of the gate, where the trees are behind the bars, lined up even with Emma's tummy.

page 9: panel one, look at the curls in Jean's hair - it spells out S and E, and it is completed by the X on the elbow of her uniform.

page 10: my personal favorite - panel two, look just about Jean's head. "sex" is written out in big red letters.

page 14: second panel, Angel's dad hitting her. I'm presuming that the word baloon is blocking out the E in between the S on the JD bottle and the X on the newspaper.

page 15: third panel, Angel running out of the house with father yelling at her from out the door way. Look at the hose and sticks on the bottom left hand corner.
 
 
Tamayyurt
15:27 / 23.04.02
Page 6: 3rd panel the pink smoke spells out sex next to jean's foot
 
 
FinderWolf
16:16 / 23.04.02
Coolness! Thanks for your points (very good points about Logan & toothpaste) and the info. on the SEX issue. A-hunting for SEX I go! (now is that a sigil-type sentence or what?)
 
 
kid coagulant
16:39 / 23.04.02
It's like that scene in 'They Live!' when Rowdy Roddy Piper puts the
sunglasses on for the first time and sees all of the subliminal messages
the aliens have been transmitting to people. 'Marry and Reproduce' ,
'Obey and Conform' , etc...
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:51 / 23.04.02
gotta love thatOBAY BEER
 
 
troy
18:54 / 23.04.02
Hm. The hidden "sex" stuff is pretty cool. Makes me wish I'd enjoyed that issue more. But I didn't. Ah well. Maybe I'll go hunt for hidden words in Doom Patrol or something. Or maybe "The Filth."
 
 
FinderWolf
10:35 / 24.04.02
Flux, where did you hear about the NEW SEX-MEN issue, anyway?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:43 / 24.04.02
Um, I read about it in that issue of Wizard.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:54 / 24.04.02
When we read the thread we discover magic things.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:09 / 24.04.02
"Goodbye Lilandra. You were hopeless in bed."

"I demand pants as a basic human right."

I really liked this issue. Is it me, or is Kordey's art markedly improved this time round? There were a couple of very good pages here - the scene where Beast is talking to Trish, and Jean "catching" Charles as the Nova body dies, for example.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:59 / 24.04.02
Cool! I found many more SEX's in that issue! This is fun :P
 
 
The Natural Way
13:53 / 27.04.02
Too tiny to merit a thread of its own, but anyway...

*****************************************************

NEW X-MEN #129

Written by Grant Morrison, art and cover by Igor Kordey.

The secret of Weapon XII is revealed along with a terrifying new threat to mutants and mankind -- a threat as old as life itself and as monstrous as the unknown.

*****************************************************

Weapon 7? Cool.
 
 
Ganesh
13:57 / 27.04.02
Um. Weapon 12, surely?
 
 
The Natural Way
13:58 / 27.04.02
Sorry, I meant 12.

How many weapons do the military need anyway?

Can't wait to see what Grant's going to do w/ this - I imagine Weapon X's creators have come a long way since patching together their hairy'n'spiky little supermutant.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:00 / 27.04.02
You bastid, Nesh, now it looks like I'm just nodding my head stupidly going "uh-huh, yeah, I meant 12..."

I hadn't seen yr post before I made my correction.

Honestly, honestly...I really DO know my Roman numerals....please believe me.....
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:05 / 27.04.02
Maybe it's actually Weapon X II, like the sequel to Weapon X.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:08 / 27.04.02
Maybe, could be a error. Whatever, it's a new weapon X and that's nice.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
16:27 / 27.04.02
It should've been Weapon XIII. The bad fellows see him and go, "Run! It's Weapon X...aye yi yi!!!"
Completely stupid, I know.
Arthur Sudnam, II
 
 
Utopia
16:39 / 27.04.02
the one thing that gets me about the weapon x thing is that it makes canada seem like an almost spartan warrior state. what the fuck do you canucks need clawed mutants for?!
 
 
Trijhaos
21:55 / 27.04.02
Come on Utopia. They have to deal with rabid Moose and eskimos. *
What better way than crazy clawed mutants.

* I am perfectly aware there are neither eskimos nor igloos in Canada.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
10:11 / 28.04.02
Just got and read issue 125, which is continuing the trend from last issue of sucking quite intensely. I'm now onto blaming Grant for this one he just seems to have lost his grasp on the threads. Korday's art, still a bit better but I want him gone if his next lot don't show any improvement.

And think about it, The Cuckoo's= geniuses and they have an alien shape-changer and Cassie's DNA. Don't know where it's going to end up but I can see the next step...
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
13:36 / 28.04.02
thank gord runce is lost on roman numerals cos weapon seven sounds a lot cooler than weapon 12.

There's a lot of codenames, acronyms etc in a comic like x-men, ain't there? Grant's always been one for 'groovy' name puns and word play etc - wot wiv his condensed exposition and 'inbetween panels' game, ju think he might develop a whole new 'language' sorta like clockwork orange? That's be a sign of progress for his tenure I reckon.(even if story and art wallow - signed cruel yawn)

An can you imagine all the kids started using this language?

Neff sud!

Heety hour - later.
 
  

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