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Animal man at last!!

 
  

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Krug
05:05 / 20.07.03
That's the best trade paperback cover ever.

It's even better than Entropy in the UK.
 
 
PatrickMM
15:40 / 30.09.03
Anyone know what's going on with the third Animal Man trade? DC has it listed as coming out tomorrow, but Diamond doesn't have it shipping either tomorrow or Wednesday the 8th. What's the deal?
 
 
Krug
03:00 / 01.10.03
Fuckage!

I've been horny for that trade ever since the solicitation.
 
 
PatrickMM
02:28 / 05.10.03
According to DC's site, it's no coming out on October 15. Hopefully, it'll actually happen then.
 
 
Krug
03:22 / 05.10.03
Coming in November now according to the Amazon.com listing.

On a similar note, "Voice of Fire" seems to be out but top shelf comix website says it isn't. What's the deal with that? Amazon says it'll take "1 to 2" months to ship which sounds retarded.
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
21:04 / 11.10.03
Wednesday it is!
 
 
FinderWolf
21:45 / 12.10.03
So this is coming out on Wed 10/15? Cool. I kept asking people at Jim Hanley's in NYC about it and they were like "What? ...huh??"
 
 
PatrickMM
03:53 / 13.10.03
While DC claims it's coming out Wednesday, Diamond doesn't have it on the shipping list. I guess we'll have to wait until tomorrow, when the shipping list for the 22nd is released, and see if it's scheduled for then. Otherwise, the wait continues.
 
 
pachinko droog
16:25 / 15.10.03
Local indie comics retailer told me first week of Nov.

Also, (slightly off topic), he informed me that DC is collecting all three issues of Sebastian O to be released as a trade in the near future. Which is nice, but I'm still waiting for the reprint of Kill Your Boyfriend, not to mention FF 1234. Sigh.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:35 / 15.10.03
A friend of mine had copies of Sebastian O, the pictures are pretty but I thought the story was fluff and shit. Flit perhaps, or shuff.
 
 
PatrickMM
19:53 / 15.10.03
FF: 1234 was collected by Marvel a while back, I've got the trade, and the series was a great read.

As for Sebastian O, I've got to agree that it's flit. Defenitely one of Morrison's weakest works.
 
 
Krug
20:50 / 15.10.03
I only ever got the first issue of Sebastian O a few years ago and I quite liked it.

Does DC have any real excuses for not reprinting Kill Your Boyfriend like the Flex Mentallo one? I think it'd sell better than it did the first time around, or am I mistaken?

This seller was selling the third animal man trade on ebay and I've bought stuff from him before and I bought it yesterday.
 
 
LDones
00:37 / 16.10.03
FYI for our US lith-o-mites - The 3rd trade came out today (I picked it up at My Local), so the entirety of Morrisson's Animal Man run is now available in trade format. [To the Chinpokomon theme] You got to BUY IT, The COMIC! You got to BUY BUY BUY!
 
 
Professor Silly
08:01 / 16.10.03
I'm quite surprised he got away with the peyote ritual...in a DC comic no less.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:19 / 16.10.03
Funny to see all the autobiographical stuff about Grant in the final issues. And Chas Troug drew him with maybe a tiny bit more hair than he really had at the time, from pictures I've seen? I always thought it was interesting how he was colored with pale white skin.

And I forgot how much I loved that Crisis issue with all the old, forgotten-at-the-time DC characters chiming in. "I'm Mister Freeze! Anyone just looking at me can tell I'm Mr. Freeze, what's wrong with you? I was a serious Batman adversary! I created this snowstorm, you know, I could do really cool shit like that!!" Cracks me up. Also nice to see the Crime Syndicate before Grant & Frank Quitely worked their magic in the JLA:EARTH 2 graphic novel. And there was a quote that leaped out at me as I was skimming through it about being burned/cleansed with fire right after I'd read the new issue of NEW X-MEN, starring the Jean talking about how the Phoenix burns away all that doesn't work. Ahhh, the wonderful themes of Grant M!
 
 
pachinko droog
16:53 / 16.10.03
So very glad tommorrow is payday...
 
 
Jesus Q. Public
17:36 / 16.10.03
I'm skint, but It Shall Be Mine.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
05:32 / 17.10.03
It's funny, reading the whole thing and then in the last issue Grant says "Sorry this is a bit of an anticlimax and I haven't got anything to say" You start to think 'yeah'. Otherwise it's wonderful. Animal Man beats The Filth by miles.

It does show the limits of Grant's 'hey, I'm going to pretend that comics are alive' schtick. It works in The Invisibles because 'Grant' doesn't appear at all, so though you have Mister Six trying to break out of the comic page, you can believe in him as an independent character. When Animal Man meets Grant, or with Highwater saying that Grant is trying to stop him meeting Animal Man, you can't help but be aware that Grant IS writing Animal Man, even down to AM refusing to accept what he's being told. It's not a 'real person', it's Grant deciding that character A isn't going to accept what he's being told. Does that make sense?

I do like the concept of the DC Universe we get in the middle of this, we're in hell, so we've created the DC Universe as Gods so we can see a better nicer place.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
10:04 / 17.10.03
Completists, remember to track down the War of the Gods crossover issue of Suicide Squad, where Grant Morrison dies!
 
 
FinderWolf
14:51 / 17.10.03
Huh? Grant really has a death cameo in that issue? Tell us more!
 
 
FinderWolf
17:17 / 20.10.03
I was just re-reading this and the one thing that bugs me is the fact that the American Indian character's skin is colored a bright RED. Ohh, that's cause he's a 'red man'!! Geez. Although one could make the argument that since Grant's ANIMAL MAN is about deconstructing (literally) comics, the stereotypical coloring of a Native American character might make sense - but I doubt that would have gone without complaint if it was an Asian character whose skin was colored yellow like in the 1940s comics.

This after I just read a thread on another comics board about people being annoyed about the coloring of 'minority' characters in comics - some new Warren Ellis/Amanda Conner series shows blue Indians in the future and another Oni book shows an Indian character as blue on the cover (and no, it's not Shiva).

But it was the late 80s and maybe we were less enlightened then.

Anyway, this paperback kicks so much ass. Funny how even thought Grant looks really wrong to me drawn with hair (I know he had hair then, but I doubt he had THAT much), Chas Troug seems to capture his face pretty well. Chas Troug is a simple artist but does a consistently nice job with this book.

Funny how after ANIMAL MAN, the whole sense of 'fun' superhero comics came back with Mark Waid's FLASH and Kurt Busiek's MARVELS, ASTRO CITY and THUNDERBOLTS. Also, many of the Golden Age DC characters Morrison uses in his Crisis Revisited storyline have since returned to the DCU big-time - even the Red Bee (showed up in James Robinson's brilliant STARMAN series, in an issue devoted to the dead JSA'ers) and Doiby Dickles. (well, Doiby hasn't returned but they make reference to him all the time in Alan Scott Green Lantern stories, even the recent Ed Brubaker-penned DETECTIVE COMICS story) Ditto Mr. Freeze, the Icicle (Flash villain) and many others. Grant's hypersigil magic at work? Or just Grant anticipating a trend before it happened (which he also seems to be rather good at)?

Nice bit where Grant makes fun of himself and has Highwater say "This can't be a story; who would write such awful dialogue?" after he says "It's over...it's REALLY over."

Where were the yellow aliens pulled from? I know Grant didn't create them but pulled them out of some obscure DC book.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:22 / 21.10.03
Hunterwolf- It was early nineties, comics were still printed on little more than bogroll so it was still a bright simple colours pallet kind of thing, which tends to stick out even more on the better quality they use for TPBs today...
 
 
FinderWolf
14:21 / 21.10.03
Yeah, I had figured that the paper & coloring was more crap then too - but still, he could have been colored something less overtly red than red - even if the paperback colors are slightly more 'popping' than the original colors, he was still a Red Man in the original series. Not a huge deal, but I bet I'd be more pissed if I were American Indian - but then again, Morrison writes Highwater very well & very respectfully, like a regular guy, so that's cool.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
20:50 / 21.10.03
Animal Man 25 & 26 were two of the most important comics I ever read and buying this trade and re-reading them made me well up like a big sap. *sniff*

I relly like Grunt's emotionally resonant stuff. DP was laced with such an air of sadness, that despite all the joyful silliness I weas still struck by how damaged the protagonists were. Maybe it tied together with my hormonal teenage miserableness, but I feel connected to this stuff more than his recent work.

Also. Love the way that Truog's awkward 4-colour artwork struggles to convey Grunt's weirdness. it really captures the idea of this straight up sooperhero being bent into a weird new shape perfectly. Hoorahs all round!

Also also. *Love* the moment where Buddy says 'I CAN SEE YOU!'
Yikes!
 
 
FinderWolf
16:52 / 22.10.03
I just saw this review of Grant's ANIMAL MAN run - it's more of a 'this series was really cool' than true review, and has more art from the pages of Grant's run than text, but the really super-cool thing is that at the end, there's a sketch of Animal Man by none other than the Grant himself! And it's pretty good! We all knew he could draw pretty well, now here's some proof:

http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/34.html

the Grant drawing is at the end of the article.
 
 
houdini
14:10 / 29.10.03

Ye gods!

I remember buying this comic



to take to India to read when I was a kid and we moved there for three months. I had that beat-up old book for months. Superman gets turned into a dragon by the evil wizard and Animal Man channels the dragon's powers and punches supes out. There's some terrible crack about how he should be on a "send this boy to camp" poster....

Sorry. No real point to this. But it's one of the primal comics images from my single-digit years that set me up for total comics lust as a teen. Weird. I also had some issue of the Omega Men or something that featured the female lead being murdered by this blob creature that dissolved your flesh and brain and then morphed into your identity, subsuming you entirely. It was a pretty fucked-up sexual/rape metaphor and I remember finding it pretty sickly.

Weird what sticks in the head, no?
 
 
houdini
14:15 / 29.10.03

Oh yeah, Animal Man....

I read all of 'Deus Ex Machina' in one sitting. I thought it was pretty damned good.

What's interesting is how much GM has rechanneled and revisited these ideas over the years. I definitely saw a lot of scraps in AM that went on to become parts of The Invisibles, JLA, Earth 2, Flex Mentallo, even prolly some Filth. And I really liked the final issue, particularly Grant giving his Oscar style "thanks" speech while random stupid villains pound snot out of Buddy.

I do wish DC would spring for re-colouring some of these volumes and the Swamp Thing books. No offense to Tatjana Wood, but the palettes available in the '80's were just so shoddy. If you re-coloured some of Truog's drawings of eg. the morphic field, etc then you could really bring out the power of some of the art.

Plus, HW wouldn't be so upset about the redman....
 
 
FinderWolf
20:03 / 29.10.03
I'm actually not THAT upset about the red coloring of Highwater, just noted it is being either shoddy coloring/paper or a little suspect.

I wonder if DC will be keeping the first AM trade in circulation - I haven't seen that one on any comics store shelves for years.
 
 
PatrickMM
18:41 / 22.11.03
From PopImage: That is not the end of the story though, as Morrison then goes on in the letters column to complete some autobiographical detail that he had presented to readers during his run, bringing the book to a powerful emotional close.

Anyone know if this Animal Man letter column is online anywhere, sounds like it would be quite an interesting read.

Also, what happened after the Morrison run ended? I really can't imagine anything coming even close to it. The end of his run is the perfect end for the character, and anythiing else just seems like it would be superfluous.

And, I finished Deus Ex a while back, and it was an incredible piece of work. The peyote issue, and the last couple of issues were just phenomenal, some of Grant's best work.
 
 
Captain Zoom
20:02 / 22.11.03
If I remember tomorrow, I'll grab the issue from my parents' place and see what I can do about transcribing it.

Zoom.
 
 
PatrickMM
02:00 / 23.11.03
Thanks a bunch, Zoom.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
04:42 / 23.11.03
Yeah, that'd be great Zoom, thanks.
 
 
Krug
23:13 / 23.11.03
I bought the first trade a year ago and wanted more. So I read the scans. I did the next two trades as they came out of course. Morrison's run was scanned with the letters pages and I read all of them back then.

I don't have the scans but someone ought to have 'em here.
 
 
PatrickMM
22:20 / 18.09.06


At last, Animal Man's an action figure. I could definitely see myself buying this.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:34 / 18.09.06
My god! Poor Batwoman, having to live her life with a permanent cocked hip. Meanwhile, Isis is going to be Marilyn Monroe for the rest of her life and Buddy looks weird...
 
  

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