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e-n
12:45 / 27.03.02
shit, can't remember how to post a link, anyhoo, Grants remaining Animal man isuues are to be collected full story here

With his new creator-owned 13-issue series The Filth set for a June debut, DC’s Vertigo has set plans in motion to make more of one of writer Grant (New X-Men) Morrison’s signature works available to new readers.
The publisher has announced it will release two new and long-anticipated editions collecting the latter 2/3rds of Morrison’s 26-issue run on Animal Man. These will be the first new editions since 1991, when an Animal Man trade was released, collecting issues #1-9.

Being readied for a July release is Animal Man: Origin Of The Species, a 224-page Vertigo trade paperback collecting issues #10-17 of Morrison's run, along with a 19-page story from Secret Origins #39. It will retail for $19.95.

Featuring art by Chas Truog, Tom Grummett, Doug Hazlewood, Steve Montano, and Mark McKenna, Origin Of The Species also sports a brand-new painted cover by cover artist of the original series, Brian Bolland. Bolland will also provide a new cover for a future third Morrison/Animal Man trade, completing the Morrison run, which will be published by Vertigo sometime during the 13-issue run of The Filth.

According to DC, in the issues collected in Origin Of The Species, “Animal Man moves more and more deeply into the cause of animal rights, but something else is going on beyond his burgeoning radicalism. Strange visions of aliens, people disappearing into strange pencil-like drawings, and hints of a terrible Crisis lurk around the edges of reality. And Animal Man begins to sense something moving towards him...something invisible...something worse than evil.”

The publisher also tells Newsarama they plan a Thursday announcement regarding Morrison and artist Chris Weston’s The Filth.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
14:12 / 27.03.02
God, I am so full of geeky boy-joy at this news, now if we can just persuade them to put out the Doom Patrol trades, and the Shade trades, and the...
 
 
gridley
17:31 / 27.03.02
god, I loved animal man. you wanna make me cry? do you? shit, just make read the last issue of grant's animal man.

damn, I love buddy....
 
 
LMG
19:49 / 27.03.02
Issue 23 of Animal Man is probably one of my favourite comics. It's so fucking corny.... Buddy travels back in time to 1969 and attends a meeting of some of DC's oldest characters... the Phantom Stranger, Jason Blood and the Immortal Man. He's weighed down by the pain of the death and of his family and they all just talk meanwhile back in 1989 Crisis 2 starts to gather pace...

'I've seen more death and pain than you could ever dream of. Fifty thousand years of it. Dying on sharpened stakes, on torture racks and fires. Cut to bits by English bullets and American bullets and Nazi bullets. Life goes on! "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." It'll only happen when people stop being afraid. Your family's gone. You can't help them by dying inside. Life needs you to go on fighting and not sit back while they build more bombs and bulldoze more trees. Either you're on the side of Life or you're on the side of death. Which is it going to be?'

Great stuff. But I'm surprised they are not reprinting Doom Patrol. Overall it's the better comic.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
20:59 / 27.03.02
Doom Patrol will never be TPB'd. DC agreed to never print anything involving FLEX MENTALLO again as part of the Atlas Lawsuit.

Which means I have to rely on this FLEX bootleg CD for the forseeable future. God what an amazing story. It writes directly to your brain...

We Can Become Them
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
17:44 / 28.03.02
just because they need to skip like 3 issues does not mean they wont reprint DP
 
 
A
12:56 / 29.03.02
Are you sure DC agreed not to use Flex Mentallo?

From what I understand, Atlas sued DC, and won, then DC appealed the decision, and they won. I don't see how they could have won the case, yet not be able to use Flex, because that WAS the case.
 
 
moriarty
14:48 / 29.03.02
"Plaintiff's counsel then sent a cease and desist letter to DC at plaintiff's direction on January 14, 1998. Hogue Aff. Ex. H. Since then, DC has not utilized the Flex Mentallo character in any of its publications and "has no present plans to reprint or redistribute any of the Doom Patrol issues including Flex Mentallo or any issues in the Flex Mentallo series." Godfrey Decl. 11-12; Hogue Aff. 33. See also Hogue Aff. 42; PI. Mem. at 17 (reciting that DC "aborted" a 1998 trade paperback that would have included the Flex Mentallo character once DC had received Atlas's cease and desist letter)."

OK, obviously this is all guesswork, but so long as we're all speculating on the case, I want in.

I think DC's refusal to reprint anything Flex-related is perfectly understandable from a corporate viewpoint. They had been dragged into court and shelled out mad cash to defend their use of a character that had made enough money to pay off their coffee boy. Maybe. Flex Mentallo, despite getting rave reviews, didn't pick up nearly as many readers as it should have. Even if it would sell fairly well today it would still probably only reach Kyle Baker numbers, or about 10 to 20 thousand. I use Kyle Baker as an example because he has stated that DC must not make any money from his work, and seem to publish comics for either critical acclaim and/or for the potential to have another merchandising hit. Due to their previous entanglement with Atlas, it's unlikely that DC would want to go any further into merchandising Flex Mentallo, which leaves the critical acclaim option. And that's not likely to be much comfort when Atlas takes them to court again.

Flex Mentallo (and Doom Patrol) just aren't worth the risk. They have no immediate tie-ins to other DC titles (the current Doom Patrol readers would just get confused if presented with the Morrison stories) and DC would never publish the Doom Patrol with entire issues missing. If people were really pissed when the Crawling From The Wreckage TPB came out missing some pages, imagine what an entire chunk missing would do.

DC comics willingly agreed to hold off printing anything concerning Flex Mentallo, probably to help them sway the opinion that they did this out of malice. But their deference to the concerns of Atlas may have also been from a shared viewpoint. If the roles were reversed, and someone was ripping Superman a new asshole, is there really any doubt that DC wouldn't take the perpetrator to court themselves?

They have such a rich and deep backlog of material that has never been reprinted (Challengers of the Unknown, Vigilante, Adam Strange, the works of Alex Toth, etc), so it's not like they don't have other work they can put on the market. In fact, despite the conspiracies to the contrary, DC is jumping on the Morrison train by reprinting those works that aren't legally risky, such as Animal Man and The Invisibles. If they could print Flex or DP, I'm sure they would. And I have no doubt that they will in the future.

I love both these series, and wish dearly that both were in print for others to enjoy, but these desires don't deny the fact that, at this time, printing either series for the enjoyment of a few dozen fans would be an incredibly stupid and costly move on DC's part.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
07:34 / 30.03.02
I think it's more a corporate 'won't' rather than a 'can't', but if the Animal Man TPBs do well, and Grant's star rises further from the other stuff he does, I can't see what's to stop DC publishing anything else he's done. Vertigo could do with a shot in the arm.
 
 
A
07:39 / 31.03.02
Moriarty, the quote you gave was from the first case. DC appealed it, though. Here are the details from Charles Atlas, Ltd. v. DC Comics, Inc.

Citation: 2000 WL 1224829 (S.D.N.Y.,2000)
Argued: August 28, 2000
Decided: August 29, 2000
Adjudicating Body: United States District Court, S.D. New York
Before: J. Buchwald
Topic: Trademarks; Entertainment
Abstract by: Marc Feldman

BACKGROUND & PROCEDURAL HISTORY

The Plaintiff's comic ad featuring Mac is well known and has repeatedly appeared in the Defendant’s comic books. The Defendant created a comic book character, Flex Mentallo, that basically mirrors the Plaintiff’s comic book advertisement character character, Mac. When a customer of the Plaintiff brought Flex Mentallo to the Plaintiff’s attention, the Plaintiff sued the Defendant for violation of the Lanham Act, as well as several New York statutes. The case was brought in the federal court in New York, where presently the Defendant has moved for a motion for summary judgment.

DISCUSSION

First, the court determined if the Defendant’s use of Flex Mentallo would likely cause confusion on the part of consumers with the Plaintiff’s character, Mac. Utilizing the Polaroid Factors, the court found that the likelihood of confusion would be minimal. First, the court determined that because the Plaintiff and the Defendant were not in competition with each other, the risk of confusion was slim. Moreover, the Defendant did not use the likeness of the Plaintiff’s character, Mac, in bad faith. Lastly, the likelihood of confusion was slight because the Plaintiff did not learn of Flex Montello’s likeness to Mac until seven years after Flex Mentallo appeared.

Second, the Defendant argued that because Flex Mentallo parodied the Plaintiff's comic ad featuring Mac, it was entitled to First Amendment free speech protection. The court said that the defendant’s rights under the First Amendement trumped the plaintiff’s trademark infringement claim. In order to determine whether a trademark violation had occurred, the court balanced the public interest in free expression against the public interest in avoiding consumer confusion.

The court found that the defendant used the plaintiff's comic ad to convey an idea, not to promote a competing product. Thus, his act was protected under the First Amendment.

CONCLUSION

The court held that although the Defendant’s use of a comic book character, Flex Mentallo, had a likeness to the Plaintiff’s advertisement character, Mac, the infringement was not so strong as to cause confusion between consumers. Moreover, because the Defendant used Flex Mentallo as a parity on the Plaintiff’s advertisements featuring Mac, they were afforded protection under the First Amendment which trumped the Lanham Act..
 
 
moriarty
09:35 / 31.03.02
Count Adam, this is where I got my information.



In this case study, you will notice that DC won. In fact, so far as I can tell, it's the same thing you posted but in greater detail.

DC never had to appeal anything. Atlas gave them a cease and desist order, DC held off on the Flex Mentallo trade, and then DC won the case. It was Atlas who were threatening an appeal.

There is no doubt in my mind that DC won the case, can reprint Flex Mentallo, and if taken to court can win again. Loz is spot-on in saying that it's a corporate "won't" not a corporate "can't". The thing is, they both end up with the same result. No Flex Mentallo and no Doom Patrol.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
22:23 / 24.07.02
Animal Man: Origin Of The Species, collecting issues 10 through 17 and a bit from Secret Origins 39, is out today.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
23:56 / 24.07.02
I LOVED this series. Buddy was the most human character in comics at the time, and his family was a wonderfully rich set of characters that I felt was wonderfully done. Writers after Morrison just didn't get it and turned the book to utter dogshit, but those 26 issues were some fo the best super-hero comics ever.

Even without the "metafiction" aspects, it was a wonderfully refreshing book that was a joy to read. To be honest, I envy the people who are getting to pick up the trades and read it for the first time.
 
 
Chubby P
15:13 / 25.07.02
On the Flex Mentallo thing, during the Vertigo panel at Bristol comic con Karen Berger said that she wasn't really allowed to talk about the case and that they lost a lot of money due to it. She also implied that they were not legally allowed to reprint the material. Didn't sound like they had won at all from the way she was talking. I realise that that contridicts the legal writings above. Was there an appeal against the original verdict?
 
 
kid coagulant
17:21 / 26.07.02
Picked up the new trade yesterday and really enjoyed it. It's all in there: the 'hand of glory' cover, the fox, the alien 'healers', the politics...

Any word on when those 'Zenith' books are coming out?
 
 
Ellis says:
18:40 / 26.07.02
Fantastic!

Will try to pick it up tomorrow.
 
 
NotBlue
18:45 / 26.07.02
23 August, 2002
according to amazon, and i still say like my view on bands (oarseis in particular, eerily echoed by the g-moz himself) that bands earliest work are the best, animal man above, i havent read before Zenith (inadvertantly zoids apart, and i named my dog after a character in that), HOT DAMN, still the best thing he ever did!
 
 
kid coagulant
18:55 / 26.07.02
thanks, duncan. looking forward to reading it.
 
 
A
01:56 / 27.07.02
The first post i ever made on Barbelith was about the first Zenith trade supposedly being just about to come out, and that was some 420-odd posts ago (not sure about actual time), so i wouldn't be holding my breath.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
09:25 / 27.07.02
Zenith was originally due out June 2001. Amazon have kept on putting it back and will probably do so for a while yet. My understanding of the situation is 'irreconcilable differences' between Morrison and Rebellion and no overpowering desire on either side to sort it out.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:46 / 29.07.02
Bought it yesterday. I did enjoy it but it seemed a bit stilted, the first story with the aliens reminded me a bit of the trades you get of early 2000AD where stories suddenly end because it all has to be wrapped up in 4 pages. What are those invisible beasties that attack Animal Man's family in the first issue and where do they go?

Otherwise it's okay. Any word when the last trade will come out?

And while we're at it, where's the Origin Stories issue? Was it hastily stuck in the middle of the first issue?
 
 
kid coagulant
14:33 / 29.07.02
Were the 'invisible beasties' some kind of gnostic demiurge-like manifestation of the yellow continuity aliens?

I really loved writing that sentence...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:52 / 29.07.02
Didn't the Anti-Monitor use the Polaroid Factors in an audacious plan to kill Alexander Luthor?
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
15:28 / 29.07.02
The Zenith Book One trade is printed and sitting in a warehouse,l waiting for the rights to the songs to be ironed out according to Rich Johnson.

But that's just a rumor.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
17:03 / 29.07.02
Any chance of getting an address so we can plan the first Barbelith-break in?
 
 
PatrickMM
01:01 / 30.11.02
Anyone heard anything about when the last Animal Man trade is going to be out? In that press release, they indicated it would be during the run of The Filth, and there's only four more months of it left to be solicited with. I've read the first two trades, and have been impressed by some issues, but ultimately it feels like a bit too traditional superhero story. However, the hints about what's going on, and what I've heard about the ending make me want that last trade.
 
 
Dave Philpott
01:35 / 30.11.02
Hey, allow me to break topic, but what exactly was taken from the CRAWLING FROM THE WRECKAGE trade?
 
 
uncle retrospective
14:31 / 30.11.02
They chopped out the First brotherhood of Dada. Apparently it was decided that because they didn't shop up in the GN they should be chopped out.
Bastards.
And can we have the first brotherhood collected, I can't get them for love nor money.
 
 
PatrickMM
23:21 / 21.02.03
From Bob Greenberger, DC collections editor: "Animal Man: Deus ex Machina is currently scheduled for the fall."

I'm looking forward to this.
 
 
Hieronymus
16:42 / 15.07.03
October 1st, folkses. Save your pennies.



This long-awaited third trade paperback completes the collection of Grant Morrison's legendary re-imagination of Animal Man. Reprinting Animal Man #18-26, Deus Ex Machina follows Buddy Baker through an incredible odyssey of discovery and features a new cover by renowned cover artist Brian Bolland.
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
17:29 / 15.07.03
That's a great cover. The only thing is, I don't have my issues in front of me, but didn't Grant have hair back then?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
05:50 / 16.07.03
Yep, in the comics Morrison had short black hair. But fuck it, that's still an amazingly cool cover.
 
 
SavageFistsOfFengshui
12:37 / 16.07.03
Brian Bolland's brilliant covers never did tally very much with Chas Truog & Doug Hazlewood's pedestrian interiors - the differing designs for Animal Man's goggles and the A on his chest were as significant as the difference in Morrison's hairstyle.
 
 
Optimistic
09:56 / 18.07.03
That picture of Grant is from the back of the Earth 2 graphic novel.

But I see what you mean, especially since he had hair in the comic...
 
 
Sax
11:49 / 18.07.03
It would be a bit daft to put a picture of him on the front of a graphic novel showing what he did look like as opposed to what he does look like, though.
 
  

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