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Le Tigre vient à Londres

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suds

10:49 / 03.06.02

the brighton show was great, though not as intense as it was in nyc, and i met up with some barbe-ers! and yeah, jd was just being super sexy.

Matthew Fluxington

12:01 / 03.06.02

Hey Suds, out of curiosity, what do you reckon were the differences between the NYC and Brighton sets? Why do you think they were more intense in New York?

rizla mission

12:58 / 03.06.02

More of you should have come to the London one, ya lazy ne'erdowells, it was amazing in all the best possible ways..

Did you get a chance to check out the stall upstairs, Flyboy? They were selling piles of fanzines and comics and 7"s and 'Grrl Scout' T-shirts and, well, all my favourite things really..

And some people interviewed me and took my picture for some kind of .. thing about Le Tigre fans..

Yeah, the venue was pretty rubbish .. you'd think what with big name bands playing there most nights they'd have enough money to buy a new fucking door or something to avoid all the suffocating-seas-of-crushed-together-people malarky..

suds

11:09 / 05.06.02

well flux, when they played my my metrocard in nyc the place went crazy and everyone was just screaming along with 'oh fuck giuliani/he's such a fucking jerk'. and people stayed quiet for when jd talked about coming out as a lesbian and kathleen coming out as an abuse survivor and in brighton loads of people were talking by the bar and kathleen looked super let-down.
but i think songs from their first el-pee went down better in brighton for some reason. and both shows kicked my ass. hard. woo and indeed hoo.

Regrettable Juvenilia

11:35 / 05.06.02

One of the things that struck me about the London gig was when, after the same bit about JD coming out was mentioned and the crowd cheered, Kathleen Hanna said "Wow, what a radical crowd - aren't you going to throw eggs?" Which makes me wonder, do people really turn up at Le Tigre gigs only to hurl homophobic abuse? Seems kinda pointless, even as heckling goes...

Shortfatdyke

11:42 / 05.06.02

i must be super naive - because i really didn't think a le tigre crowd would be homophobic. wierd.

rizla mission

13:42 / 05.06.02

Nor did I. And the massive London crowd wasn't. At all.
I expect they were just taking the piss with the "radical crowd" joke.. I mean, if you were to list places in the world where homophobe/fascist/wanker's were least likely to be encountered, a Le Tigre audience would probably be pretty high up..

Matthew Fluxington

14:36 / 05.06.02

So, do Le Tigre do more or less the same speech/lectures at every gig, Bono-style?

Regrettable Juvenilia

11:37 / 06.06.02

sfd - that was kinda my point, but the way Kathleen Hanna said it, there did seem to be the implication that not all crowds are so receptive to their message...

Flux - I expect they say similar things before/about individual songs - hazard of touring. Lots of bands do this who *don't* actually have *anything* to really say about or in their songs, after all. It also fits in with the way in which the Le Tigre show really is a *show* - what with the videos, the matching outfits, the choreography and other things like the brilliant bit at the end of 'LT Tour Theme' where Kathleen does a soul-singer style "thank you all for coming out tonight, it's wonderful to see you" rant and introduces the band over the music.

It *was* kinda reminiscent of a cut-price, feminist Zoo TV, but then I don't think that's a bad thing...

Matthew Fluxington

13:19 / 06.06.02

A cut-price feminist Zoo TV is a brilliant idea, I say. Why more people don't take up the Zoo TV format and adapt it to their own personality and agendas is beyond me.

Shortfatdyke

15:39 / 06.06.02

flyboy - i was just pondering the ridiculousness of it all. how can someone be into le tigre and not identify with what they're about/the whole politics of the band? although it's certainly not unheard of to be a feminist and a homophobe.

suds

17:19 / 06.06.02

at the nyc show, they said, this is our final song. and this huge idiot frat boy suddenley screamed out, no it fucking isn't you liars! yr going to do an encore! and everyone was very much freaked out.
fluxxx --- le tigre don't "lecture" at all, they talk about stuff. the nyc and brighton shows they talked about different stuff. in brighton kh talked about harrassment and in nyc they talked about ideas for feminist graffitti in the city. and it's never in a bono style. it's in a one step behind the drum ...

Shortfatdyke

17:27 / 06.06.02

"at the nyc show, they said, this is our final song. and this huge idiot frat boy suddenley screamed out, no it fucking isn't you liars! yr going to do an encore!"

sorry suds, but that made me laugh! i'm sure they did do an encore, too. i've been to quite a few gigs where i thought just walking off after a certain song would be a better way to finish than making people go through the ritual of clapping and baying for a while - cos if the house lights stay down, the band are coming back on. it's a bit of a formula...

rizla mission

14:53 / 07.06.02

..as they admitted at the London show. "It's just a little game - you stand there clapping for a few minutes and we'll come back on" or words to that effect.

suds

11:26 / 09.06.02

having a huge meathead fratboy scream at them after they'd just played "keep on livin", a song about surviving sexual abuse and coming out as a dyke did NOT make me laugh, sfd.

Shortfatdyke

11:34 / 09.06.02

sorry suds - no, *that* wasn't funny. be fair, though - you didn't mention that in your earlier post.

Matthew Fluxington

14:47 / 09.06.02

Encores are only silly if the band chooses to make it that way. If you pace your setlist or performance properly, and have the final song in your set have a feeling of "the end", and extend the wait for the encore, it's a lot better.

suds

12:37 / 10.06.02

yes, sfd, that is a fair point. whoah i'm feisty! sorry bout that.

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