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What kind of music do you wish existed?

 
  

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Matthew Fluxington
18:50 / 13.03.02
Sometimes I have days in which none of the music I have sounds right - nothing feels the way I want music to feel that day. It's a bit hard to describe, I'm hoping that some of you can just relate.

Anyway, when this happens, I start to wonder what the music that I want to hear at that moment is - what it would sound like, what it would feel like. I can usually imagine this in my mind in ways I can't really describe with words - it's almost like ghost-limb sensations of sounds. It's like I can almost hear it, I can almost imagine it existing, but it's just off in the distance.

I think some of the music that I've put together in the past few years has in some ways met a need to create custom-made music to my own specifications - sometimes it's as much an effort of trying to make something I'd want to hear in private as it is an expression of myself. Still, nothing ever comes close to this abstract notion of something I've never heard that surfaces in my mind every now and again.

So... do any of you relate to this? Can you imagine music that you've never heard without relying on genre and instrument conventions? What does it sound like to you?

What kind of music do you wish existed, but you aren't sure if it actually exists?

[ 13-03-2002: Message edited by: Flux = Avoiding The Conceptual Life ]
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
18:57 / 13.03.02
Just wanted to chime in to say I know exactly what you mean, not sure if I could get anywhere near to explaining it, and doubt I could ever describe the feeling of the music that I would wish to exist...

I hate those days when I can't think of anything to listen to though. Nothing seems to feel right. But the days when the music you're listening to is exactly the music you wish to exist, those days, those are amazing.

[ 13-03-2002: Message edited by: Sweet Jane ]
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:00 / 13.03.02
Right on, Jonny. Well said.

It's those times when I can nearly hear the unheard music that makes me laugh at the legions of people who say "you can't do anything new. it's all been done".
 
 
tSuibhne
19:27 / 13.03.02
God, nice to hear there are others who suffer from this problem. Those days (weeks, sometimes months) where everything sounds so dull and contrived. It all seems so boring.

At these points I tend on trying to combine weird genres in my head, and wondering what they would sound like. For instance, post rock meets gamelan.

I know what you mean in the first post Flux about creating music just to fill the void. It's at these points where I give the most thought to learning how to create something so I can stop relying on others.
 
 
gridley
19:31 / 13.03.02
that's so funny, tSuibhne. the first time I heard American composers who were re-inventing gamelan music, I found myself wishing to know what it would have sounded like if Antonio Carlo Jobim (inventor of bossa nova) had gotten into gamelan music. I think that would be fucking angelic.
 
 
Seth
08:54 / 14.03.02
I've got this thing buzzing around in my head: very passionate, sexy, hard, abrasive and angular funk, utterly filthy sounding, huge spine-shattering beats, melded to utterly fucked up psychedelic atmospherics (with four-part harmonies). Kinda like Techno Animal put into a cement mixer with The Flaming Lips, At The Drive In, Blixa Bergeld and Steve Wonder. With a touch of Van Halen anally raping Squarepusher.

No-one else understands. Hence lack of expressionless' band...

[ 14-03-2002: Message edited by: expressionless ]
 
 
Seth
08:56 / 14.03.02
But with a hell of a lot more pure pelvis shaking funk than that last post seemed to indicate. It's unutterable until it's done, I guess.
 
 
A
11:09 / 14.03.02
I wish there was a band made up of four fifteen year old Japanese girls who all wore matching outfits, all sang, and played guitar, bass, drums, and synthesizer respectively.

They would play some manner of incredibly fun punk/noise/pop/electro/hardcore/rock'n'roll/etc that would call to mind the Beatles and the Ramones, while also being the most futuristic, way out thing anyone has ever heard.

Sigh, if only.
 
 
Opalfruit
11:59 / 14.03.02
Soothing melodic vocal harmonies, the gentle tap, trilling and hum of instrumentation that allows you to drift and trance a leads to feeling suprisingly refreshed and invigorated as the tempo lifts and becomes increasingly rhythmic.

Something like that would be quite nice right now.
 
 
bio k9
18:01 / 14.03.02
I want something sleepy and peaceful that reminds me of the earth without resorting to recordings of nature. Those Mount Florida tracks you sent me came real close in one section with the bell, that faint machine droning noise and the grinding sound. It makes me think of being on a ferry crossing the sound without actually being on a goddamn ferry, ya know?
 
 
Cop Killer
19:27 / 14.03.02
I feel like that all the time, not finding a damn thing to listen to cuz I got this sound in my head that none of my records or cds have, which the closest way to describe it if you added heaps of sex and drugs into the delivary of Big Black, while at the same time making the music more mechanical and metallic (not as in heavy metal), I mean, that almost sounds like a description of industrial, but the sound in my head is a few thousand miles away from that.
One time I actually found the sound that used to be in my head when I found Right Now by Pussy Galore, I was extremely happy.
 
 
Jackie Susann
19:50 / 14.03.02
Last night I had this strange thought, 'I want to listen to more pink-smelling music.' The only pink-smelling songs I could think of were Gonzales' Take Me To Broadway, Princess Superstar's Bad Babysitter, and Le Tigre's Keep On Livin. So yeah, I wish there was more pink-smelling music...
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
00:07 / 15.03.02
I dreamt one of the greatest records of all time the other night. It was perfect. Woke up unable to remember a single thing about it, other than it causing an outbreak of levitation (but the best tunes do that IRL anyway).

You know, I think I'd go ahead and actually make the kind of widescreen sonic vistas(etc) that go sweeping through my skull whenever I'm shopping if I wasn't so afraid of them translating onto tape as nothing more than a bunch of passable little ditties.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
10:38 / 15.03.02
User responsive music, music that can change depending on your mood, your movements, music you can craft without any skill. An auditory Star Trek Holodeck really.
 
 
that
12:26 / 15.03.02
I once wrote and had published (ok, ok, so it was in a printed sheet enclosed in the magazine of the Gothic Society, but it is better than nowt) a review of a band that did not exist. Their music is some of what I wish existed...

Most of the time what I really really want is melancholy soul-soothing goth of a particular variety... it exists... but not enough of it. Not nearly enough of it... sometimes music, the wrong music, makes me feel physically ill...
 
 
tSuibhne
14:00 / 15.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Loz' Sweet Exile:
User responsive music, music that can change depending on your mood, your movements, music you can craft without any skill. An auditory Star Trek Holodeck really.


This reminds me of a project that my cousin did for her industrial design masters. Basically she built these sensors that you attach to your hands, feet, etc. Then by moving you triggered different sounds, changed tempo, etc. For her project she put together a snowboard simulation where your movements also changed what was projected on the screens around you. I didn't see the acctual demonstation (she lives in LA) but the video I saw looked cool, and quite promising. She's promised to bring the sensors the next time she comes back east.

Oh, and all the software for this was running on a Titanium G4 laptop. If any mac people are interested, I can probably get the software info from her.
 
 
drzener
12:47 / 21.03.02
3 words - Industrial Tekno Ska
 
 
The Natural Way
13:45 / 21.03.02
Japanese girls...blah...They would play some manner of incredibly fun punk/noise/pop/electro/hardcore/rock'n'roll/etc that would call to mind the Beatles and the Ramones, while also being the most futuristic, way out thing anyone has ever heard....

Check out Plus-Tech Squeeze-Box's album 'Fake Vox'. 'Sure it'll be up on Audiogalaxy. Sounds sorta like what you need.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
14:07 / 21.03.02
Glum'n'bass.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
17:55 / 21.03.02
Music that couldn't be ripped off.

...sorry, just got back from a music shop that had Kenny Wayne Shepard playing overhead and I got to listen to the clerks talk about how skilled he is. I'm still a little irate. Stupid bastards...
 
 
Saveloy
12:06 / 02.04.02
Expressionless:

Re: what you describe - have you heard anything by Ice? Their first LP "Under the Skin" approximates that, as I understand it anyway. Not dead on, obviously (not as funky), but maybe close. It's yet another Kevin Martin project, I believe.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
18:39 / 09.04.02
I understand the ghost music, the can't find anything to listen to, or even just wishing your favorite band/album at the moment was just skewed that little bit more. Dream music is a terrible thing, cuz you'll never get to hear it again.

This Ghost Music though, the experimentation, I'm sure that's how new music comes along. Perhaps Faith No More thought they where making a Bossa Nova, folk, goth crossover and the new sound was the result (not a good analogy I know you see what I mean).

Not really much to add except the fervent wish that the bag pipe was used in more gangster rap and heavy metal.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:28 / 13.01.03
The Beach Boys-pisstake title "Sherpa Girl" popped into my head this morning, and it occured to me that I'd really like to hear mountaineering music, springing from the dge where the mountaineering and surfing subcultures are sort of similar—the physical, macho, gearhead, man/nature/transcendence axis.

Think close harmonies sung in voices wheezing and warbly from the thinness of the air—Anglo-American campfire songs with a Nepalese folk flavor, with the growl of overtone singing down beneath—singing about carabiners instead of cars.
 
 
Char Aina
18:16 / 13.01.03
3 words - Industrial Tekno Ska

i have made a song that fits that description on fruity loops before. although i christened it space ska, it sounds like we might be at the beginning of a phenomenon.

the track was, or is, called 'Meskalin'.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:18 / 13.01.03
I get that a lot. I figure it's my subconscious telling me to DO SOME FUCKING MUSIC, DAMMIT!
Unfortunately, I rarely do.
 
 
schmee
18:41 / 13.01.03
started making my own recordings of certain genres recently for the same reasons. but man, if you're lacking on creative and good music, then you're just not looking or your tunnel is too narrow.

ever heard ira kere? i don't care what kind of music you listen or that they are a now ancient gig, but if you've never heard them, then your dilemma is solved. how bout Ivo Poposav and his Bulgarian Wedding Band? Haji's Kitchen? if you have, then no need to listen to my praises for the process of creating music.

it's been the most liberating thing in the world. i've learned so much (knew a ton about music before that, through many years playing horn, but i'm learning more important things that have nothing to do with music theory).

i was raised for years in a traditional music setting but never played/created seriously. went off and became a graphic designer among other things, and realised not long ago how the two processes (visual/audio) are entirely the same. i just needed the digital context with music to make that mental leap - because of decades of traditonal music training which makes you think completely differently.

thing is, what i really learned in graphic design was how anyone was capable of it, and how powerful it could be when you got everyone involved, given some pretty basic standards awareness and procedure experience.

trying to do the same with music among many old friends from those traditional music days, and hopefully thier friends, and their friends. some of them get it (got it long ago), others don't, but it's an amazing thing to go through the process and watch minds click on at that proprietary, creation level.

much like any educational institution - or institutionalized education - the traditional music world has one of the worst habits of teaching people how to play music, but not the critical process and skill of *generating it*.

likewise, kids just jamming and having fun too often are fixated on appeasing the needs of the dance floor, the scene or the drug driving it all (nicotene, mdma, ignorance, adreneline, love opiates, et al), and not really doing much creatively for music, as much as it is for technological presentation. nothing wrong with that at all, just not going to be a strong source for passing on the knowledge of creativity and thus furthering music's development, instead of just reapplying it to another techological spectrum.

subsequently, and much like other artistic disciplines - much music you hear today is executed perfectly, but not terribly creative. oh sure, the samples are creative, the sound engineering is creative, the concept is creative as a recording, and the words are creative.

but there's nothing new to music in it, if anything it's more often a devolution. as opposed to something like the evolution of reggae in it's first 30 years - which was a very scientific, collaborative, education-oriented process.

and when you think about it - how many truly amazing artists, of any genre, are amazing because of the new idea they had, as opposed to the execution of it?

and just like design - technology really threw the whole enchilada up in the air, as the cultural biases against it were and remain enormous. likewise, the biases of those in the digital realm against those analog masters who grunt about the lack of artisitic reality in the technology-based productions of today is just as blind and ill-willed.

it's changing, oh so slowly, but my god is there liberation in embracing it all and realising the similarities behind everything else.

it's all the same at the root. all pink in the dark =P woops.
 
 
A
01:54 / 14.01.03
Hey Runce, I checked out Plus-Tech Squeeze Box, and, while it wasn't precisely what I had in mind, it's fantastic nonetheless. Cheers for the tip.
 
 
The Natural Way
07:45 / 14.01.03
That's okay. My pleasure. I'm glad you liked it when.
 
 
rizla mission
09:51 / 15.01.03
I'd really like to hear some kind of - wait for it - really cool Gothic Folk type music that managed to avoid the many pitfalls of both genres and ended up sounding horrendously scary and evocative and weird.. like if the Birthday Party were on the Wicker Man soundtrack or something..

Also, not a type of music exactly, but around Christmas I really found myself wishing I had a copy of the completely non-existent Earache Records compilation "Have a Grindcore Christmas!". I think that would be about the best record ever..
 
 
Saveloy
10:10 / 15.01.03
Rizla:
"I'd really like to hear some kind of - wait for it - really cool Gothic Folk type music that managed to avoid the many pitfalls of both genres and ended up sounding horrendously scary and evocative and weird.. like if the Birthday Party were on the Wicker Man soundtrack or something.."

My fantasy involves music like that, broadcast over the radio from an unknown source, with no announcers or anything, just longish periods of silence and short wave woo-woo noises between each track. It would be a bit like the numbers lady, you'd never know exactly what frequency it would be broadcast on, or what time exactly. Actually, I would like to have speech in between occasionally, but heavily distorted and in some unknown language, and sounding like it's coming from an outside source rather than a studio.

Thinking about it, Rizla, there's a short Danielle Dax track that I think fits the bill - too quiet and minimal to be the Birthday Party, but both folky and spooky - on the end of one of her EPs, but I'm buggered if I can remember the name. The first line is "Shame about the fool". I'll try and find out what it's called etc.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:14 / 15.01.03
Dunno the specific track you're talking about, Saveloy, but I'm betting it's one of the many things the divine Ms Dax did with Karl Blake (of the Shockheaded Peters, among other things).

Rizla- Gothic Folk like the Birthday Party were doing the Wicker Man? You've just reminded me. Last time we met I promised to burn some Current 93 stuff for ya (pm me). I think that would fit the bill.

All of which, by a strange "dar folk" tangent, leads me to point out that Mr Blake has done a bunch of stuff with C93. (And plays with them on occasion... and looks like a younger Brian Blessed. And rocks, bless his beardy little heart.)
 
 
rizla mission
10:37 / 15.01.03
looks like a younger Brian Blessed.

Well i'm sold.

Saveloy's radio broadcasts idea is absolutely brilliant.. if the music existed and I had a transmitter I'd run off and do it right now.. Actually, there's a very, very strange LP that I've heard bits of on John Peel that sounds very much like your description .. don't remember precisely what the name is, but it's in Russian and the English translation is "The Blood Lamp" .. recommended to all connoisseurs of extremely strange, spooky things..
 
 
arcboi
21:44 / 15.01.03
Two lesbian Russian girls doing edgy pop with an extremely suspect video.

I guess that's pretty unlikely though. You're more likely to see The Doors fronted by that bloke from The Cult!
 
 
A
00:44 / 16.01.03
Indeed, and, while we're on the subject, wouldn't it be neat to see the Dead Kennedys, only with some former child tv star singing instead of that Biafra guy?
 
 
telyn
01:18 / 16.01.03
I always wanted to make / hear music that was a fusion between classical music and beats that worked. Thus far I think the best stuff I heard in that vein and is the UNKLE Lonely Soul track which samples from the Barber Adagio in a really good way, rather than William Orbit who I just find irritating.

I love the energy you can get from drums and beats and all the subtleties of rhythm and pulse, but I also adore huge swirling harmonic structures. I always find it hard to write music as fantastic as I think it should be. So I wish the music existed that I dream of, just catch glimpes of around the corner. It's beautiful, and makes you feel so very, very, alive.
 
  

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