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Matthew Fluxington
14:48 / 16.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Lyra Lovelaces:
he's primarily musical, with politics added. 'S when people do it the other way round that it ends up being shit.


That's fair enough.

I thought you were making some kinda blanket statement...

Hey, Fela was a musician AND a politician...
 
 
Rev. Wright
16:20 / 16.01.02
1992, wouldn't that be around a time when the CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACT came about, thus detsroying some of the last vestiges of protest in the UK. Wouldn't happen to be around the time when alot of bands such as Back to the Planet, Sensor, Blaggers ITA and dare say it Pop Will Eat Itself, lost many gigs to play at. Hmm.......
Then came lame ass, pretty boy Brit Pop to save the day.

Damon's new pop act have something to say with regards the dirge of soulless boy/girl groups currently choking the charts.

'Free, Free, Free Nelson Mandela'
Only for a limited time on this lifestyle magazine.

Asian Dub Foundation around in 1992?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:37 / 16.01.02
quote:Originally posted by The Haus of Rain:

as as far as I can tell Cider is used to describe a sparkling non-alcoholic beverage, as opposed to a filthy concoction of rotten apples, tin, egg and piss drunk by 14-year-olds.


Cider in America: pressed apple juice, sometimes with some degree of fermentation. sometimes served hot with cinnamon. Available in abundance in farm markets all around the northeast every fall...
 
 
Not Here Still
16:38 / 16.01.02
Asian Dub Foundation are around now, unless they've split up and I missed it.

Kind of blows the 'no political bands anymore, it was better when the Neds were around' argument out of the water though, so we'll ignore it....

When were EMF ever political? Did they, say, get flack like pretty-boy Albarn for protesting against the bombing of Afghanistan at the Brits?

(That's not a defence of him, BTW - I'm just pointing it out...)

There are hundreds of bands out there who could be said to be political in the ways that the bands you quoted were. Just because you aren't listening to them doesn't mean they aren't there, y'know...

Originally posted by Moominstoat:

"NMA build bombs for EMI and support apartheid's foundations"

I knew that acronym would get me into trouble at some point... I don't, OK?

And by Lyra:

I was a fan of this crapulous crustie/rave crossover group called 'Back to the Planet'

Worst T-shirt ever, if I recall - the grammatically wrong 'Whos Fuckin Planet?'

Arf!

[ 16-01-2002: Message edited by: Not Me Again ]
 
 
Cherry Bomb
16:43 / 16.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Lyra Lovelaces:


Whoah. There's a compilation called Jock Jams? I have to own it.


There are actually FIVE Jock Jams compilations, and an entire Jock Rock industry!



Tracks Include
-Let's Get Ready to Rumble! (Michael Buffer)
-Get Ready For This (2 Unlimited)
-Whoomp! There it Is (Tag Team)
-The Power (Snap)
-Come Baby Come (k7)
etc.


"Tubthumping" is on Jock Jams Vol. 4.
 
 
Captain Zoom
18:42 / 16.01.02
Their follow-up to Tubthumping, What You See Is What You Get, is actually quite good. I can see the "Let's use this as a single" poking through in bits, but they do some really nice work on it. A little more introspective than usual.

I love this band. I don't care if it's cool or not.

Zoom.
 
 
Jackie Susann
20:04 / 16.01.02
What about Kevin from the Backstreet Boys? Has spoken out in favour of Mumia and against the war in Afghanistan - surely this is the Hegelian synthesis (aufhebung) of politics and pop?
 
 
No star here laces
07:00 / 17.01.02
Yes, and AJ got a chili seed stuck in his jap's eye while enjoying some backdoor action with a curry-loving groupie. I feel the significance of this cannot be ignored either.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
07:16 / 17.01.02
Have to say, PWEI, EMF...for all their many charms, were hardly activists...

Meanwhile...so, Flux, how do you distinguish cider from apple juice?
 
 
Jackie Susann
07:18 / 17.01.02
Well obviously we can't ignore it, but is it a dialectical supersession? I don't really think so. A nice image, but hardly aufheben.
 
 
Rev. Wright
10:06 / 17.01.02
EMF Brit awards stage demonstration consists of blatant infringem,ent on miming to spray can the stage.

Carter USM follow up the following year by wearing EMF shorts, trashing equipment on stage and wrestling with presenter.

KLF and Extreme Noise Terror shock audience with version of 3am Etenal, finished off with Bill Drummonds firing of blank rounds from semi-automatic into audience. What happened to the dead animal bodies?

Chaumbawumba wet Prescott, whilst Music Industry protesters are removed from outside building

Who will continue this fine absurd tradition this year.

Taking bets now
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
10:15 / 17.01.02
quote:Originally posted by William Wright:

Carter USM follow up the following year by wearing EMF shorts, trashing equipment on stage and wrestling with presenter.


Fruitbat rugby-tackles Philip Schofield. Western capitalism collapses. Film at eleven.

Great moment, but wasn't it at the Smash Hits Awards, rather than the Brits?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:46 / 17.01.02
In what way did any of those things constitute even a half-decent political gesture?

William, they were really nothing.
 
 
Ganesh
11:25 / 17.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Dread Pirate Crunchy:
There is no Chumbawamba song containing the line "I'll have a cider drink, please". The closest they come is obviously Tumbthumping, with the line "He drinks a cider drink".


Didn't say there was. Merely pointed out the implausibility of ever using the phrase "[insert name of spirit] drink" in any setting other than a contrived-to-scan pop song. Not exactly a major point, but not a "misconception" either.
 
 
Rev. Wright
12:58 / 17.01.02
OOPS, brain must be going. Well it was a laugh.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:02 / 17.01.02
Um... that would be a link, then, to a review of a book about various political elements in popular music. Which no-one here has denied that there are - in fact, my point is that there continue to be plenty of politically-charged bands and artists around, if you know either where to look or what you're looking for. It's you who claimed that Britpop was the death knell of politicised pop.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:27 / 17.01.02
christ - have to plonk myself in same camp as Crunchy, dimly remember loving 'Pictures of starving children...' a looong time ago as well as 'english rebel songs' - acapella recordings of english folk songs adopted or created by workers movements/protesters etc throughout history... still like this, kinda, some good stuff and a good reminded of the history of protest music...

and gawd, Ty, BTTP - dimly remember the only gig ever held in my shit small town being a triple bill: levellers (there was some local connection, i think), bttp and credit to the nation... hmm.

Think i'd still stand by CTTN...
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
13:34 / 17.01.02
Can I just add that Philip Schofield was dressed in some sort of polystyrene imitation of knight's armour at the time?

It was grrrrrreat.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:36 / 17.01.02
Anyone remember Credit To The Nation's supposed comeback single, the one that sampled Radiohead's 'High and Dry'? I genuinely thought that was great. What was it called again?
 
 
Cherry Bomb
13:51 / 17.01.02
quote:Originally posted by The Haus of Rain:
Have to say, PWEI, EMF...for all their many charms, were hardly activists...

Meanwhile...so, Flux, how do you distinguish cider from apple juice?


Please. Extrapolate on the charms of EMF. Charms?

(Though, must admit, love "Girl of An Age.")


PWEI kicked serious ass and thus should stand alone. But obviously that's not what we're arguing here.

And by the way, non-alcoholic cider in the autumn is absolutely lovely.

We do also have the alcoholic kind (it made it here some years back), and I personally think it's pretty nasty.

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rizla mission
14:14 / 17.01.02
Now listen here, I'm not taking any of this soap dodging early 90s bollocks, but..

quote:Originally posted by William Wright:

KLF andExtreme Noise Terror shock audience with version of 3am Etenal, finished off with Bill Drummonds firing of blank rounds from semi-automatic into audience. What happened to the dead animal bodies?
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..that was cool.

Oh, and Flyboy, with regards to good political bands, I assume you're already familiar with the works of the Dead Kennedys?
 
 
No star here laces
14:40 / 17.01.02
Heh, I saw BTTP play at some festival for shitehawks in the east midlands. I wore that previously mentioned grammatically incorrect t-shirt and spent too much money on bits of cornflakes packet. Those were the days. Still got all the mail order tapes and make a point of playing them to girlfriends in case they think I always had good taste or something.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:43 / 17.01.02
quote:Originally posted by The Haus of Rain:

Meanwhile...so, Flux, how do you distinguish cider from apple juice?


They have a different color (it's a dark brown), flavor, consistency (it's a bit thicker), and a higher acid level. Cider has a greater concentration of fruit-to-water than regular apple juice. I prefer cider to regular apple juice, for sure.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
15:22 / 17.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Cherry Bomb:

We do also have the alcoholic came (it made it here some years back), and I personally think it's pretty nasty.



Everybody does. Except the Levellers and Invisible Al. Bless him.
 
 
Rev. Wright
15:44 / 17.01.02
Flyboy at what point did you assume that I was stating that Brit Pop was the death knoll for 'politics' within 'pop' music. My point was more in line with the fact that due to the CJA, many of the festivals and events, such as squat parties disappeared. It was at such events that 'politically' active bands were able to exist outside of the mainstream. Brit pop for me was merely the Mainstream forming an alliance with the government and promoting a pseudo-60's revival. It demonstarted that the major labels had stitched up much of the music scene, by buying out the independents (though not all). Since its demise, many bands that were deemed BRIT Pop now fight it out to get places within acceptable categories, ie Rock/Metal.

My point about the onstage antics of such acts as EMF, was that they were not afraid of going against the 'play safe' strategy of Producer led acts. This led to a rash of such things, culminating in the master stroke KLF/ENT performance. I still can't get the look of the audience's faces out of my head. It may seem adolescent and purile, but it beats towing the EMI/WARNER etc. line.

FLYBOY you keep mentioning modrern day acts that are political, but I find a lack of names in your postings. I would be most grateful for some bands and artists currently taking a 'political' stance. Its not that I don't believe they exist, but I've been put/put myself on the otherside of the fence in this thread.

Was Philip in the armour or was that onstage guards?

POP WILL EAT ITSELF non political?
may I present an arguement.
CURE FOR SANITY Side 1 First track
TWO FINGERS MY FRIENDS, our scruffy boys fuck the major off, go independent and get charted. well done. They also release a remix album, a strategy quickly followed up by the majors. well done boys, playing them at their own game.

Their co-track with The Prodigy 'Their Law' feels fairly pro-active.The gatefold artwork on Music for a Jilted Generation, demonstrates the free party politics. The Prodigy escape the CJA by playing the squat party scene in Holland, biding their time.
 
 
Not Here Still
17:11 / 17.01.02
Right, the CJA killed everything.

Because after all, protestors follow the rule of law generally, don't they?

Do the words 'Reclaim' 'the' and 'Streets' mean anything to you?
 
 
Rev. Wright
17:19 / 17.01.02
What the CJA did was to put off the 'mainstream' and 'pop' industry to support artists that fall foul of such legislation.
It is not a comment on the efforts made by groups to continue with forms of protest.
 
 
Rev. Wright
17:21 / 17.01.02
Goddamit I nearly forgot...

...Jarvis Cocker, his arse and Micheal Jackson.

Does anyone know what effect this 'protest' had on his career and the band afterwards?

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Not Here Still
17:31 / 17.01.02
Massive publicity and a bit of a rehabilitation from the previous stunt of showing people how to make a wrap of speed on the cover of 'Sorted For E's and Whiz' (which was on Island, a major label, as I recall)

Kym has left Hear'Say, according to reports, because she doesn't want to play for troops in Oman.

To repeat: Damon Albarn protested against teh war in Afghanistan at the MTV awards (not the Brits, as I mistakenly said.) As far as I recall, he's on a major....

Then again, he hasn't released a remix Cd of the Gorillaz (which would be nice, as most of their best stuff is remixes.) Which apparently is the qualification you need.

Anyone wants me, I'll be banging my head against a wall somewhere...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:08 / 18.01.02
I don't buy any of this argument, because a lot of the best r+b, soul, jazz, funk, hip hop, folk and punk music ever created has been in one way or another quite political. I think that some level of critique, if it is subtext or autocritique, is often an essential thing in creating powerful music that connects with people...
 
 
Rev. Wright
09:08 / 18.01.02
Sorry to hear that taking me the wrong way induces head injury.
I'm sure that in any debate anything that is stated is not necessarily set in stone and I find myself being taken in the wrong context, which make me question whether I should continue posting along this line of inquirey, without upsetting the faint hearted.
 
 
Bear
09:08 / 18.01.02
I'll probably get bombarded with kippers but what about Rage Against the Machine, probably not on the same par as the bands you've mentioned but they're the only "political" band I've really listended too, stopping trading on Wall Street?

RATM
 
 
Rev. Wright
09:08 / 18.01.02
I heard that on SEpt. 11th the Rage Against teh Machine website was teh first to be pulled. Due to postings made reagarding dismissing the accusations the Palestine was to blame
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
09:08 / 18.01.02
Yep. Rage Against the Machine may not be very good, and may not be very bright, but they are certainly political.

Other political bands - Sleater-Kinney, le Tigre, Ani DiFranco, haven't Public Enemy reformed? It's not really my area, but I'm sure some of our activist friends can find more. Especially since you seem to be using "political" here often simply to mean "not signed to a major"

Regarding your point, Will, the CJA can certainly be said to have affected many things, but your position on music seems to be fuelled more by nostalgia for a particular form of music than a paradigm shift in the politics of the time. The acts of "civil disobedience" you describe so far sound more like publicity stunts or (as Jarvis admitted later) acts of drunken exuberance at free booze'n'coke-fuelled awards ceremonies than an attempt to bring down the state. Acting up at free parties is not political rebellion if you are a slightly edgy but comsumer-friendly rock band - it's pretty much par for the course.

Movements in pop music spawn and die - it's an ephemeral medium. I for one am and will always be bitter that Salad never received the adulation they deserved (although their recent signing to Coldwater Suplex bodes well for a push to really major invisibility), but I don't think it was [Mark E Smith]The fault of the govern-ment-ah![/Mark E Smith]...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:08 / 18.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Will 'it work' Wright:
FLYBOY you keep mentioning modrern day acts that are political, but I find a lack of names in your postings. I would be most grateful for some bands and artists currently taking a 'political' stance. Its not that I don't believe they exist, but I've been put/put myself on the otherside of the fence in this thread.


Sorry - part of the reason I haven't been naming many names is that, as I tried to say in my earlier post, I'm wary of dividing bands or artists into two groups, those who are 'political' and those who aren't.

I think it's a lot easier to look at individual records, and say that there is political content contained therein. For example: 'Independent Woman Part 1' by Destiny's Child is a politically charged record. That doesn't mean that its politics aren't deeply flawed (eg, it pretty much sees finanical/material autonomy and security as the be-all and end-all of female independence), not does it make Destiny's Child a 'political' band. In addition, I wouldn't praise the political merits of a black, female R&B/pop group without expecting derision from certain circles - but I think that derision is in itself says something about the (political) assumptions of those circles...

Consistently politically charged hip-hop artists include, in my opinion: Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Outkast, Saul Williams, The Coup, Jeru The Damaja, Gang Starr... A lot of Wu-Tang stuff has a political edge. Public Enemy are still going (if not going strong). This is all really scratching the surface, and I've not even included people like Nas, Jay-Z - even Puff Daddy could arguably be called political, although as I mentioned in my earlier post, this kind of (male) black power via capitalism isn't particularly radical...

You could also argue that by their very existence in such a stinkingly locker room environment, any female MC is political - so just in the mainstream, add Missy Elliott, Lauryn Hill, Rah Digga, Eve and even (contentious!) Lil' Kim. (Again, mostly about emancipation through material gain, but still preaching a fairly confrontational kind of female power). Moving away from 'mainstream' hip-hop, you have people as diverse as Sarah Jones, Princess Superstar, and (okay, not really hip-hop, but almost) Peaches - again, this isn't immediately obviously political, 'cos the Peaches album is basically all about sex. It's made political because of the cultural context...

Moving on.

Radiohead, one of the most critically acclaimed mainstream bands of the moment, are actually quite fiercely politically. There's a lot of implied, sometimes direct, political comment in their songs, but aside from that, they plug books like No Logo and Captive State in interviews, and their official website is basically one big exercise in diverting interest in the band to political causes (down to links being deliberately misleading, taking you to external sites rather than giving you useless gossip on the band...).

Other 'indie' bands... Well, Godspeed You Black Emperor! think they're political, apparently. There's a strong case to be made for The Magnetic Fields being political. Lets' not mention the Manic Street Preachers, but again, they certainly try to be political, just not very well these days. But they had their moments, a lot of them later on than the heyday of EMF/Carter, etc.

Ooh, tell you what, probably the best of the Britpop bands are Pulp: now they are very political. A large number of their songs are about the disenfranchised/marginalised in society in general, and there's also more specific stuff, from slumming rich kids ('Common People') to refugee internment camps ('Weeds'), to the hypocrisy of New Labour ('Cocaine Socialism'), to stuff about gender roles etc ('I'm A Man').

Then you have the somewhat godlike Le Tigre and other 'post-riot grrl'/'third wave feminist' bands (slightly wanky terms, I know) - The Butchies, anyone signed to Mr Lady, Haus has already mentioned Sleater-Kinney and Ani Difranco... I mean, the same thing could be said to apply here as with female MCs, indie rock being such a hostile environment for female artists (much more so than mainstream pop, for example).

I'll leave you with a slogan that is on a bright orange sticker stuck to the top of my computer monitor:

quote:We propose that what is experimental in art is inextricable from what is revolutionary politically.
 
  

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