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Matthew Fluxington
13:22 / 13.12.01
Spun off from Flyboy's suggestion for me to work the Wu-Guide into a Webzine article...

I think it would be a great idea for us all to work up guides to prolific artist's discographies and genre introductions geared towards steering people towards good introductory albums/masterworks of what may otherwise be very intimidating catalogs..

I'm going to finish up the Wu guided sometime next week after all of my finals are complete, and I'd like to do a Guided By Voices one shortly thereafter, and a Free Jazz intro after that in late January.
I'd be up to a Sonic Youth intro too, but if someone else would like to do their discography (including 'official bootlegs' eps, SYR recordings and maybe even going into solo recordings), be my guest...

Is anyone else up to giving this a shot?

I'd like to see folks tackle:

metal
prog
Marillion
The Fall
'post rock'
'math rock'
IDM
house
psychedelic rock

among other things...
 
 
grant
16:23 / 13.12.01
What's IDM?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:48 / 13.12.01
IDM = Intelligent Dance Music, ie Autechre, Pole, Kid 606, Mu-Ziq, Future Sound of London, other Warp records type electronic artists... it's probably the most arrogantly named genre in the world, obviously the assumption that the *other* dance musics are stupid or something...

here's an explanation courtesy of an IDM list page

quote:
A definition by Chris Hilker:

"What is Intelligent Dance Music? "Intelligent" gives a nod, obviously, to Warp Records' (UK) "Artificial Intelligence" releases. Let's take a close look at our copies of the 'Artificial Intelligence' compilation, shall we? (This compilation, WARP CD 6 in the UK, Wax Trax/Tee Vee Toons TVT 7203 in the US, is one of the very few definitive releases in this genre.) On the front cover, we see the subtitle: "Electronic Listening music from Warp". The picture on the front cover is of a humanoid figure reclining in a chair. From these two points, we can conclude that the music we're talking about is intended for *listening* - it may be danceable, and it may be influenced by current trends in more straightforward dance music, but it is intended more for your living room than your local club. Looking more closely at the cover pic, there are three album covers strewn on the floor of the figure's room: an early Kraftwerk record, Pink Floyd's 'Dark Side of the Moon,' and Warp Records' first compilation, 'Pioneers of the Hypnotic Groove.' These, then, are three big influences in IDM: the electronica of Kraftwerk, the druggy self-indulgence of Floyd, and the funky bleepiness of Warp's early stuff (and techno, in the narrow sense of the word, in general). Moving on to the back cover, there are two bits of text, besides the tracklist, of interest: one, at the top left corner, asks "Are you Sitting comfortably?", the other, in the lower right, says "Artificial Intelligence is electronic 'Listening music' for Long journeys quiet nights and club drowsy dawns. Listen with an open mind." Again, and always, the focus is on listening, rather than dancing. Inside back cover: "Artificial Intelligence: electronic music for the mind created by trans-global electronic innovators who prove music is the one true international language. Real people whose unity lies in a common sound + spirit and whose 'listening music' cannot be described as either soulless or machine driven. The atmosphere and emotion both come from the musicians, their machines are merely the means to a human end."

and another by Mixmaster Morris..

"[Intelligent Dance Music] means the opposite of stupid hardcore. And of commercial dance music. Ambient music and intelligent techno were always linked in my mind and the audience largely overlaps. Intelligent techno has got to have more function than just to be utilitarian dance music. It has to give you something to listen to and be intrigued by. It has to work in the domestic environment."
 
 
Cop Killer
19:02 / 13.12.01
Wait, you want a discography for metal as a genre? As if the Fall or GBV has put out as much stuff as the genre of metal.
I mean I could possibly do this, but a discography on a whole genre may drive one to hitting hirself over the head with large steel objects until hir brain is leaking out of hir nose. Or maybe that's just me.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:50 / 13.12.01
No, for metal, it would be a genre primer, recommending records to people who may have a vague interest in metal, but have no idea where to start.
 
 
Margin Walker
23:07 / 13.12.01
Can anybody do a piece on Fela Kuti? Or Lee "Scratch" Perry? Or the sexual dynamics of Glam Rock?
 
 
Jack Fear
23:19 / 13.12.01
Or the unholy tangled web of the Birthday Party, the Bad Seeds, Einsturzende Neubaten, Crime and the City Solution, Swell Maps, These Immortal Souls, Magazine, the Cramps, the Gun Club, and probably half a dozen others I've forgotten?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
23:50 / 13.12.01
Fela would be a great one...there was an amazing biographical article that delved heavily into discography written by Jay Babcock about a year or so ago in Mean Magazine. It's not online, but if anyone is dying to read it (it's amazing, it's about 20 pages of serious in-depth writing), I will photocopy and mail it to you.
 
 
rizla mission
10:36 / 14.12.01
I could do a Sonic Youth one .. but it might be a bit limited cos I'm missing one studio album, an 'important' side project and all the SYR stuff..

(But, I mean, I've got 15 CDs by the buggers, which I figure is about enough for the moment without going insane..)

I could do a mean Beck discography however, with the help of a book I've got listing all his crazy un-official stuff..
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:53 / 14.12.01
I hate self-proclaimed 'Intelligent Dance Music'. Tends to mean it's made by beardy white guys who need to get out more and you can't fucking dance to it. Burn!
 
 
Seth
11:48 / 14.12.01
Only it isn't self-proclaimed for the most part - it's just lazy journalism. There's a hell of a lot of amazing music that gets classified under that deeply stupid banner. My record collection prolly isn't extensive enough to do it justice, as I'd miss out some inspired tunes. I'd be quite happy to work on it with someone else, though.

Why has no one come up with a decent name for electronic music like this that isn't easily classifiable? Even "braindance" was shit. Maybe it's better not to have any easy label for it...

I'd also be happy to do a rough guide to Constellation, if anyone's interested in reading it.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:07 / 14.12.01
Rizla, I think that in the case of Sonic Youth, it would be a good idea to include all of the SYR and commonly found bootlegs (like "Hold That Tiger", for example), plus solo recordings, because those are part of what makes SY's discography so daunting... If you'd like to cover the main LPs, I'll do the SYRs as a sidebar...
 
 
No star here laces
13:49 / 14.12.01
I can do a history of chicago house, nae bother.

Also disco.

Can also do evolution of hardcore (british version)
 
 
Locust No longer
17:07 / 14.12.01
I could do a genre primer on Japanese, Finnish, and Swedish punk thrash. I would doubt the interest in it by anyone but me, however.

I would love to add a Euro side bar to a free jazz one, if someone's doing an American Free jazz primer.
 
 
bio k9
17:52 / 14.12.01
Expressionless, are you one of those "beardy white guys who need(s) to get out more"?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:17 / 14.12.01
Lyra: go man, go! that would be great, I know I would very much like to read what you could offer...

I could do a genre primer on Japanese, Finnish, and Swedish punk thrash. I would doubt the interest in it by anyone but me, however.

seeing in that I know almost nothing about any of that, and I doubt much of anyone else here does either, that would be brilliant.

I would love to add a Euro side bar to a free jazz one, if someone's doing an American Free jazz primer.

another great idea. I'll put together the primer on American free jazz in a few weeks, I want to make sure I do it right, and I won't have enough time to do that til then. So how about we aim that one for mid-February or something?

Having these kind of guides on the zine would be great for bringing in really interesting folks from google searches and things like that...
 
 
bio k9
18:37 / 14.12.01
Having these kind of guides on the zine would be great for bringing in really "interesting" folks from google searches and things like that...

as would an article on Sex Starved French Maids, I'm sure.

Seriously though, I'd like to see an Ennio Morricone discography since hes apparently scored well over 300 films. Hmm, maybe I should try google... I'd also like to see a list of gritty songs about death. Murder Ballads type stuff from all genres. I know the folkies, cowboys, and bluesmen have committed some murderous terror to vinyl and I want to hear it.
 
 
rizla mission
10:54 / 17.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Locustcrashsthorax:
I could do a genre primer on Japanese, Finnish, and Swedish punk thrash. I would doubt the interest in it by anyone but me, however.


no, really! I'd love to read primer's on that stuff - Japanese especially..

***

Flux: yeah, sharing the Sonic Youth one sounds good - I've got 'Hold That Tiger', 'Sonic Death' and a few other live bootleg thingys as well as Thurston's solo album, but I'm missing:

'Experimental No-Trash Jet-star' (or whatever the fuck it's called)
the Ciccone Youth 'Whitey Album'
All the SYR stuff (are these any good, BTW?)
All the Free Kitten records, and Lee Ronaldo's solo thingys.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:16 / 17.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Rizla Year Zero:

'Experimental No-Trash Jet-star' (or whatever the fuck it's called)
the Ciccone Youth 'Whitey Album'
All the SYR stuff (are these any good, BTW?)


Wow, I can understand passing on Ciccone Youth and SYR, but you didn't get Experimental Jet Set? Why? That's weird. I mean, it's like their third best selling album. It's usually one of the ones people have if they only have one SY album.

I recommend getting that record, it's got some really great stuff on it, it's really dark and claustrophobic, but also very melodic and sweet at times...It has a very distinct feel and isn't much like anything else in their catalog. The whole record feels like a dark rainy day in the summer...

quick SYR overview:

SYR1: worthwhile because "Anagrama" is on it, and that song is one of the most beautiful things they've ever done. The other three tracks are just okay.

SYR2: worthwhile because "Slaapkamers Met Slagrooom" is on it, which is this fantastic 17 minute assualt on the basic chord structure of "The Ineffable Me". Also features the Kim vocal cut up track "Herrineringen", also very worthwhile. This is my favorite SYR by a million miles.

SYR3: avoid. it's mostly just improvised noise, but not really the good kind. this is the one with Jim O'Rourke (who is now a full time member of SY, if you didn't know...)

SYR4: Goodbye 20th Century : avoid. This is interesting if you have some familiarity with the source material (a variety of 20th century avant composers), but you know, not really. It's really just dull. It's worth hearing once, but not worth owning.

SYR5: I haven't heard this one yet.
 
 
grant
16:50 / 17.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Jack Fear:
Or the unholy tangled web of the Birthday Party, the Bad Seeds, Einsturzende Neubaten, Crime and the City Solution, Swell Maps, These Immortal Souls, Magazine, the Cramps, the Gun Club, and probably half a dozen others I've forgotten?


There's a connection between the Cramps (psychobilly CBGBs punks) and Swell Maps (proto-lo-fi/tweeish art rock)?
 
 
Jack Fear
17:06 / 17.12.01
Yup.

Maps drummer Epic Soundtracks played in Crime and the City Solution v.1 with Mick Harvey, who played in Nick Cave's Bad Seeds with Kid Congo Powers, who played rhythm guitar with the Cramps 1980-1983.

So now you know.

[ 17-12-2001: Message edited by: Jack Fear ]
 
 
grant
18:24 / 17.12.01
That's a fucking article in itself, man.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
19:15 / 17.12.01
Grant; you may well want to give Epitaph's Link Machine a go. It connected Crowded House and Einsturzende Neubauten, for fuck's sake!

Oh, I could probably work up a Tom Waits kind of thing, too. Because, strictly speaking, I am a raindog too.
 
 
Saveloy
14:03 / 18.12.01
Do you want subjective comments? If so, I'll have a crack at the Fall.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:07 / 18.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Saveloy:
Do you want subjective comments? If so, I'll have a crack at the Fall.


Oh cool! I can't wait to read what you work up...

I think it's pretty safe to switch around between describing the records, and recommending or panning them however you see fit. It's meant to be a guide for people who are interested in purchasing records....
 
 
The Natural Way
14:22 / 18.12.01
Why has no one come up with a decent name for electronic music like this that isn't easily classifiable? Even "braindance" was shit.

But "Braindance" was supposed to be a SILLY name.... And the album was hardly beardy. Most of the tunes were of the "rave on" variety.

And Fly, I know yr not stupid, don't let a silly label close yr mind to this stuff - some of it is gorgeous. I fucking defy you to dislike Boards of Canada. But, then again, if you HAVE to be able to dance to it.....
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:25 / 18.12.01
Um, I don't care for Boards of Canada.

It's Autechre that I defy you to reject...
 
 
The Natural Way
14:32 / 18.12.01
Aaah, but everyone says that.

You just need to listen some more....

I have to admit, all this "beardy white boys that need to get out more" stuff winds me up sooooo fucking much. I've got friends who make electronic stuff with beats that u might struggle to dance to and they get out quite a lot, thankyouverymuch. And who gives a fuck if they don't? Jesus, and u get all wound up when I take the piss out of "Tristran the video artist"...I smell stinky hypocrisy....
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:48 / 18.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Guns 'n' Runces:
I have to admit, all this "beardy white boys that need to get out more" stuff winds me up sooooo fucking much.


That's why it's one of the best genres of music to mock, though!

No, but seriously: I just think that this stuff gets waaaay too much revential treatment from the music press. Other people get wound up by the hype surrounding, say, The Strokes, but what gets my goat is how predictable it was that Drkqs or whatever it's called by the Beardy Twin ended up in everyone's Top 10, and yet I bet you none of those tossers who picked it could listen past track 5 without wanting to go down the pub instead any more than I could...

Still, I do quite like Autechre.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
15:06 / 18.12.01
I want to see the Sonic Youth discography. Now.

With a list of all the best must-have tracks. Or you could do that for me now, if you will?

For their discography be daunting and confusing, and however much I delve in to explore, it just seems like there's more I've missed. Those bastards.
 
 
De Selby
15:18 / 18.12.01
<rottage>
drukqs : disagree entirely. thats a broad generalisation anyway. I don't think it got particularly favourable reviews either... not the ones I read anyway. I still thunk its grate.

autechre : ooh yeah.

idm : is a shit three letter acronym made for people with limited vocabularies who have to categorise things to understand them.
</rottage>

are these discographies gonna be a collaborative effort? I'd love to help out on one....
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:51 / 18.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Jonny Suede:
I want to see the Sonic Youth discography. Now.

With a list of all the best must-have tracks. Or you could do that for me now, if you will?

For their discography be daunting and confusing, and however much I delve in to explore, it just seems like there's more I've missed. Those bastards.



Okay, Johnny...I'll do that on Friday, I think. I can do an SY discog thing pretty quickly, maybe it would take an hour or two.
No disrespect to Rizla...

I will quickly give you a 'must-have' track list if you've got Audiogalaxy or whatever.

in chronological order:

from Sonic Youth EP

"The Burning Spear"
"I Dreamed I Dream"

from Confusion Is Sex LP

"Confusion Is Next"
"Inhuman"

from Confusion Is Sex reissue, Kill Yr Idols EP

"Kill Yr. Idols"
"Brother James"

from Bad Moon Rising LP

"Death Valley 69"
"I Love Her All The Time"

from Bad Moon Rising reissue, Flower EP

"Halloween"
"Flower"

from EVOL LP

"Tom Violence"
"Expressway To Yr. Skull"
"Shadow of a Doubt"

from Master-Dik EP, Sister reissue

"Master-Dik"

from Sister LP

"Schizophrenia"
"Kotton Krown"
"White Kross"
"Stereo Sanctity"
"(I've Got A) Catholic Block"

from Daydream Nation LP

"Teenage Riot"
"Silver Rocket"
"Eric's Trip"
"Candle"
"The Sprawl"
"Hey Joni"

from Ciccone Youth 'The Whitey Album' LP

"Addicted To Love"
"Get Into The Groove(y)"
"MacBeth"

from Goo LP

"Dirty Boots"
"Mote"
"Kool Thing"
"Mary-Christ"

from TV EYE EP

"No, Part II"

from Dirty LP

"100%"
"Theresa's Sound-World"
"Shoot"
"Drunken Butterfly"
"Youth Against Fascism"
"Creme Brulee"

from Experimental Jet Set Trash and No Star LP

"Bull in the Heather"
"Starfield Road"
"Sweet Shine"
"In the Mind of the Bourgeouis Reader"

from Carpenters tribute LP

"Superstar"

from Washing Machine LP

"The Diamond Sea"
"Becuz"
"Saucer-Like"
"Skip Tracer"
"No Queen Blues"
"Washing Machine"

from SYR1

"Anagrama"

from SYR2

"Slaapkamers Met Slagroom"
"Herrineringen"

from SubUrbia soundtrack:

"Bebe's Song"
"Sunday" (a different, lesser version on 1000 Leaves)

from A Thousand Leaves LP

"French Tickler"
"The Ineffable Me"
"Sunflower Soul"

from NYC Ghosts & Flowers LP

"Free City Rhymes"
"Nevermind (What Was It Anyway?)"
"NYC Ghosts and Flowers"

[ 18-12-2001: Message edited by: Flux = American Aquarium Drinker ]
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
16:40 / 18.12.01
Christ our lord Flux, I think I love you.

Now I have to work my way through that list, getting the one's I previously missed...

Gonna be a long night.. Maybe I should make a quick Christmas request for Broadband....

Thanks though, that's top

[ 18-12-2001: Message edited by: Jonny Suede ]
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:41 / 18.12.01
okay, I'm committing to the SY discography...I'm going to borrow a couple of the records I don't have (SYR5, Silver Session, Made in USA), and write it up over the weekend.

I will be covering:

Sonic Youth EP
Confusion Is Sex
Kill Yr Idols EP
Sonic Death
Bad Moon Rising
Evol
Sister
Made In USA
Master - Dik
Hold That Tiger
Daydream Nation
The Whitey Album
Goo
Dirty
1991: The Year Punk Broke
TV Shit
Experimental Jet Set Trash and No Star
Screaming Fields of Sonic Love (LP + VHS)
Thurston Moore Psychic Hearts *
Washing Machine
SYR1
SYR2
SYR3
SubUrbia sdtk
A Thousand Leaves
Silver Session
SYR4: Goodbye 20th Century
NYC Ghosts + Flowers
SYR5


Psychic Hearts will be the exception to the rule barring solo releases and side projects since it is an essential recording, and features Steve Shelley in addition to Thurston...
 
 
Saveloy
08:28 / 19.12.01
Re: Sonic Youth discog

There's a bootleg of the Peel session they did covering Fall songs, called "4 Tunna Brix". Would you be interested in that?
 
  

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