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Regrettable Juvenilia
07:14 / 31.03.05
Thought the Wu disciples would want to know about the excellent XXL feature on the making of Only Built 4 Cuban Linx (can it be that it was all of ten years ago?), which you can read here on I Love Music.

"That's the thing about these albums that we made earlier. We used to keep a lot of the fuckups. That's what made it raw. Everything ain't always gotta be too perfect."
- Ghostface

"The only two albums I did with nobody fucking with me was Linx and Liquid Swords. I was on a mission. To make all those early albums took three and a half years of my life. I didn't come outside, didn't have too many girl relations, didn't even enjoy the shit. I just stayed in the basement. Hours and hours and days and days. Turkey burgers and blunts. I didn't know if it was working. But nobody could hear or say nothing, no comments, no touching the board when I leave. Everything was just how I wanted it."
- The RZA
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
15:02 / 08.04.05
I can't believe I just found this thread today. Could've saved me a purchase of Uncontrollable Substances, that's for sure.

Every couple of months I'll catch up on any Wu I've missed and cue up a massive playlist with like every song I've got and listen to that for a few days.

It was nice to see the kind words for Iron Flag. I remember when that came out and I was so crazy for it and it felt like the world had just passed the Wu by.

Just picked up Legends of Liquid Swords the other day. Did I get duped or does every copy of the album have "Fuck" edited out? It just is such a blasphemous thing to do to the chorus on "Knock Knock".
 
 
Haus of Mystery
16:28 / 09.04.05
You got maybe the clean version yes? I noticed a lot of that in America.
 
 
Seth
18:17 / 09.04.05
What do people think of Mastah Killah's album?

I was pleasantly surprised. It's got some strong production and great tunes, and probably the best rhyming MK's done.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
20:13 / 09.04.05
And features the whole of the Wu for the first time in a while, no? Wanted to check this, cos I heard a lot of really good things, but reviews were lukewarm (I should no not to listen to theose too much of course). Who handles production duties?
On a related note, how many people checked the Theodore Unit album (Ghostface's crew)? I really liked it - perhaps more so than the 'Pretty Toney' album. Hardcore dirty NY shit with hungry MC's and weird production. 'Guerilla Hood' is an all time fucking banger, one of Tony Stark's bestest. Also features some remarkably tight Cappadonna verses - a marvel in itself. Heads should check it.
 
 
Seth
07:12 / 10.04.05
I agree, Theodore Unit is a dazzling album. The Drummer is the kind of track you wait years to hear, as soon as the drums kick the track into context you've just got to move.

I've only got a tatty burned copy of No Said Date, so I don't know who's producing. From memory it's got Rae, Ghost, Meth, RZA and ODB on it. Old Man with the latter two from that list is the fucking shit, everyone's on point, and ODB delivers a one of his best choruses.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
09:12 / 10.04.05
Listening to the '36 Chambers' recently I was reminded quite how stunning ODB and Meth's verses on 'Shame on the nigga' are. What a fucking tune.
Seth - agree about 'The Drummer'.
"Can I kick it?"
"HELL NO"
 
 
Seth
00:42 / 11.04.05
Genius tune, innit? Just a shitty drum loop, a vocal sample, a splash chord, and a bunch of mates having a laugh over the top. Anyone who thinks Wu-Tang have fallen off isn't listening.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
08:51 / 11.04.05
Nice to know Meth can still kick it when he wants too. Cos, y'know, starring in sitcoms with Redman is... a little worrying. I never heard any solo MM stuff after 'Tical' (i think seeing him dressed as a knight put me off). Is there anything particularly worth seeking out? (guest shots on Ghostface albums aside...)
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
06:25 / 22.05.06
I'm bumping this because I am currently becoming re-obsessed with the Wu. I just got Supreme Clientele and I've listened to it three times today. Brilliant.

I'm also bumping this because there is a free ODB Remembrance Mixtape downloadable here.

I've just started listening to it, but here's the playlist:

Intro
Raw Hide
Seed (Interlude)
Nigga Please
Dog Shit
Drunk Game
Skrilla
Stand Up
Osirus Say So (Interlude)
Brooklyn Zoo (Live)
Back In The Air
Free (Interlude)
Got Your Money
Cold Blooded
Don't Go Breaking My Heart
Woo Ha (Remix)
Raw (Interlude)
Shimmy Shimmy Ya
Control (Interlude)
Brooklyn Zoo
Intoxicated
Dirty The Moocher
Outro

It seems to be an ODB greatest hits, with a couple of cool B-sides and random shit thrown in, but it's free. And it's ODB! What are you waiting for?

Also, the first song that plays when you go to the site (after the RZA shout-out), "Outlines" by RZA, is short but tight. It's worth a listen.
 
 
Jackie Susann
00:57 / 07.06.06
If you go here and scroll down past the insane anti-Xtina rant, there are some fucking amazing Mp3s of instrumental (as in, played by live band) versions of a couple of Wu tracks. The C.R.E.A.M. one is so fucking beautiful I want to propose marriage.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
16:25 / 28.11.07
Has anyone heard 8 Diagrams yet?

All the reaction I've heard has been terrible, from fans, critics and even band members. Both Ghostface and Raekwon have gone on record as being really unhappy with the end result, placing the blame squarely on RZA's production.

There's a two part interview with Rae over here: Part 1 Part 2 in which he details his greivances and announces Shaolin Vs The Wu-Tang A Wu album minus RZA that will follow up 8D fairly quickly.

Still excited about New Ghostface, though!
 
 
Seth
11:52 / 29.11.07
That's interesting, because 8 Diagrams is a considerably better record than The Big Doe Rehab. It genuinely sounds like nothing else, whereas Ghost's record is a real step down for him, pretty off the peg uninspired production no matter how great his performances are. There's nothing on Big Doe as stand out-awesome as that moment in Wolves when the music suddenly cuts out and Masta Killa delivers a near career-best drop in to just the drums.

8 Diagrams is a surprising record, and one that ultimately doesn't really work as a whole. The Clan seem to be in a subdued frame of mind, the album almost feels gentle and melancholic in places. However, like Wu-Tang Forever it feels half-finished, without the requisite attention to detail and polish to bring it up to scratch. This can be heard in the details; the number of songs that fade out rather than end (I love a skilfull fade out, hate it when they sound like someone not bothering); the number of times a track will loop without any real direction for too long after the MCs have finished; too much filler; the tiny structural gaps after an MC finishes their verse and the chorus kicks in or the next MC starts seeming like gaping holes revealing too much about how none of them were in the same room at the same time or with little time spent by RZA thinking about how to make the track sound seamless and flowing.

Plus there's far too much singing, with a lot of it being rather aimless or detracting from the rapping. Life Changes, for example, would have been far better had RZA not chosen to bracket EVERY SINGLE VERSE with that same sung chorus. I've got nothing against it as a chorus besides the manner in which it repeats far too often and cuts out the energy of what could have been a decent whole posse cut with at least the illusion of passing the mic. Perhaps this is the point, and a case could be made for its sense of the dislocation and the isolation of each MC being a more skilled evocation of grieving than many of the verses. If that's what RZA's going for then it's a brave choice that I don't really think works the way he'd intended it.

But there's a lot to like about 8 Diagrams. RZAs skill for creating atmosphere from next to nothing is still almost peerless. There's an understated sense of the unexpected, tracks veer in unanticipated directions or begin as one thing and then become something very different. The sense of tension created from deferred climaxes and subverted expectation lends it an uncomfortable, difficult presence. And there are some standout performances, with Masta Killa getting better and better with each verse and Method Man being on the best form I've heard for a while.

This is very much a Wu album in the vein of Forever. It's alternately surprising and frustrating with jaw dropping moments competing against filler, frequently witty and unpredictable, too often stodgy and half-formed.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:53 / 29.11.07
Is it long? We're not in d..d..double album territory are we? *shudders*
 
 
Essential Dazzler
15:15 / 29.11.07
that moment in Wolves when the music suddenly cuts out and Masta Killa delivers a near career-best drop in to just the drums.

I'm halfway through my first listen and just came here to post about that bit.

So far I can see pretty much all the positive and negative points you've bought up, but so far the bad far outweighs the good (Which can be very good).

It is very different though, but I haven't really heard all that much Wu.

Quite frankly, half the group sound as bored as I am right now.

It Could be a grower though, I'm sure I'm not catching everything this time.

Is it long?

71 minutes.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
19:53 / 08.01.08
(It was a grower.)

So... If a person had Ghostface's Fishscale, More Fish, Big Doe Rehab, and RZA's Birth of a Prince, and loves all of them (But is poor to fair at articulaating why or how he enjoys them - Prefer Ghostface in general but RZA's album is slightly more interesting production-wise) what other Wu solo albums does he need and what should he go nowhere near.
 
 
Seth
04:09 / 09.01.08
Absolutely everything released up to and including 1996 would be a good place to start. That'll give you six albums to listen to, seven if you include Gravediggaz.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
06:50 / 09.01.08
I'd pick out Only Built 4 Cuban Linx in particular if you're into Ghostface: whilst technically Raekwon gets top billing, it's really the album which marked Ghost out as a superstar in the making. The other Starks solo album that you need, which is more recent, is Supreme Clientele. See this post for more details.
 
 
Bandini
07:33 / 09.01.08
Also if you like RZA's production the soundtrack to Ghost Dog is well worth a listen.

GZA - Liquid Swords is a very good companion album to Cuban Linx too.
 
  

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