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Le Tigre, Part II : Yr Critique of Feminist Sweepstakes

  
  

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Jackie Susann
19:52 / 06.02.02
Oh, and while I'm at it...

In Bikini Kill zine, from about 1990 (?), Kathleen lists ten things men say to belittle feminists, and her responses. Number two is:

quote: YOU ARE EXCLUSIONARY AND ALIENATING TO MEN

Well excuse me, have I hit a nerve?
I guess it's hard for people who have been continually fucking excluded from everything to make their main priority BEING ACCESSIBLE to the very people who perpetuate and profit from their exclusion. Duh...
Sure, men and boys who're challenging the fact that their gender roles are sucking them dry of real life... these men are excluded, like girls/women, from most of what the mainstream and supposedly "counter" culture has to offer them... but these men also recognize our work/experiments as VALID, being our Brother in Struggle, why would they feel excluded?????


I know that's not going to change anybody's mind, but I just thought it would be good to point out that what you're saying was old ten years ago.

[ 06-02-2002: Message edited by: Dread Pirate Crunchy ]
 
 
Disco is My Class War
00:52 / 07.02.02
Yeah, Kathleen said it better first, anyhow. And I think 'White Boy' rocks.

Seems like lots of the trouble a lot of people have with KH is her visible anger. What is wrong with anger? Anger scares you, is that what it is? I would hazard a guess that anger scares you because it's possible that just 'cause you feel that your politics are fine, and anti-sexist, you aren't going to be given an award and told how fantastic you are for supporting Le Tigre. Nope, sometimes you just gotta suppor them and giev up on being feted for your wonderful act of political integrity.

Meanwhile, I realised I was censoring myself in a 'your favourite 10 records of all time' thread on strap-on.org a couple of weeks ago, because I knew if I said Le Tigre was one, about fifty million people would jump on me as being transphobic. Argh.

(i feel quite conflicted about the whole MWMF thing. very conflicted. Hmmm.)

Also, Crunchy should give my copy of Feminist Sweepstakes back.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
01:23 / 07.02.02
Sure, men and boys who're challenging the fact that their gender roles are sucking them dry of real life... these men are excluded, like girls/women, from most of what the mainstream and supposedly "counter" culture has to offer them... but these men also recognize our work/experiments as VALID, being our Brother in Struggle, why would they feel excluded?????

Well, I'm glad that she feels that way, but does she realize that she sounds quite a lot like all the MCs who try to explain away mysoginistic lyrics by carefully pointing out how much they love their mom, sisters, and girlfriend?

I respect that Hanna quote, but maybe she should try to remedy this by making this point more clear in the future. I know that "for the laaa-dies, and the fags, yeah, and the men and boys who're challenging the fact that their gender roles are sucking them dry of real life, we're the band with the roller skate jams, yeah" isn't quite so catchy, but it would be a start...

by the way, Rosa:

Nope, sometimes you just gotta support them and give up on being feted for your wonderful act of political integrity.

Wait one second. So everyone who shares feminist views, who's non-homophobic - they should all somehow feel obliged to blindly support someone like Kathleen Hanna, with no criticism, no matter what, or else they probably don't really feel that way to begin with, or have suspect motives? Kathleen Hanna, the Bono of feminism? Riiiiiight.

[ 07-02-2002: Message edited by: Flux = That Dastardly Dilettante ]
 
 
Jackie Susann
02:09 / 07.02.02
I think the point is pretty obvious, and really the only people excluded are those too insecure to deal with potentially being included in the phrase 'ladies and fags'. See also the first half of the quote about how they shouldn't be expected to go out of their way to be accessible to people too stubborn to meet them halfway...
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
15:29 / 07.02.02
quote:
And yeah, if you really think that anyone who says 'for the ladies and the fags' is trying to make you feel shit for being a straight white male, you REALLY ARE the kind of person they want to exclude.

On that count, I don't. On the count of 'White Boy', I do. And I realize that the song is old, and that Kathleen Hanna was young and much less subtle, but to me it still smacks of unsavoryness. I couldn't get away w/singing a song about wanting white girls to die, f'rinstance. I'd be strung up by me nuts and rightfully so.
Arthur Sudnam
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
15:53 / 07.02.02
quote:
Seems like lots of the trouble a lot of people have with KH is her visible anger.

???

What is wrong with anger? Anger scares you, is that what it is?

Ummm...no...

I would hazard a guess that anger scares you because it's possible that just 'cause you feel that your politics are fine, and anti-sexist, you aren't going to be given an award and told how fantastic you are for supporting Le Tigre.

I...don't know who you're referring to, but I don't think anyone here has said that they thought Le Tigre was crap or that we didn't support them. Personally, I just have quibbles w/some of KH's (possibly not even close to what I actually think they are) politics, as I do w/many people. I think that anger is quite swell when directed positively, as I think that it is w/most things that Kathleen Hanna and Le Tigre are angry about. That doesn't mean I'm not going to criticize things that the person/group says/does/believes in that I don't personally agree with.
Arthur Sudnam
 
 
Jackie Susann
04:57 / 08.02.02
Okay, Arthur, there are two points I think you're missing (just re, your response to my post...)

1. One of the guitarists on 'White Boy' is a white boy, Billy Karren. Suggesting that Kathleen wasn't writing off that race/gender combo quite as monolithically as you seem to think, and/or that some Americans actually do understand irony. Weird, I know.

2. A white boy saying he wants white girls to die is NOT the same as a white girl singing 'white boy, don't laugh, don't cry, just die'. Thinking that it is, is in itself grounds for testicular stringing. Needing me to explain why is a lesser charge, but certainly deserving of a good kick in the balls. See also, 'context', both 'social' and 'of the other tracks on the record'.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
06:28 / 08.02.02
Um, besides anything else, how bout considering the context of the rest of that one song? Like the fact that it starts with a sample of a white boy being interviewed, presumably the titular white boy and target of the song:

"I don't think it's a problem cos most of the girls ask for it."

"Uh-huh, how do they ask for it?"

"The way they act, the way they... I can't say the way they dress, cos that's their own personal choice, but... some dumb ho, some butt-rocking bitch walking down the street... They're asking for it, and they deny it, but it's true."

I'm sorry, but y'know, I feel like telling that guy to "go die" (not always a literal expression, peeps) after hearing that. And bear in mind the fact that the song goes on to answer the inevitable criticisms in its own lyrics:

"I'm so sorry if I'm alienating some of you
Yr fucking culture alienates me"

This whole aspect of the debate strikes me as pretty ridiculous: Bikini Kill were a fucking punk band, complaining that their lyrics make you uncomfortable is kind of missing the point. It's like complaining about Ice-T because gee, killing cops is a bad thing to do, doesn't he realise that some cops are decent ordinary people and might even be on his side? Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...

And this thread is supposed to be about Le Tigre anyway - another band, another time, another planet.
 
 
rizla mission
12:36 / 08.02.02
completely agreeing with Flyboy.

Say, I bought Le Tigre's self titled album yesterday. It rocks. Definately the best thing they've done, I reckon.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:19 / 08.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Flux = That Dastardly Dilettante:
Well, I'm glad that she feels that way, but does she realize that she sounds quite a lot like all the MCs who try to explain away mysoginistic lyrics by carefully pointing out how much they love their mom, sisters, and girlfriend?

Hmm. A slightly less dubious comparison would be when rappers say that when they talk about bitches, of course they don't mean *all* women, just the ones who're bitches, and so if any women are offended, well then they must be bitches... doh!

Or at least it would, if not for two things:

1. Social context, but I'm not sure we're going to benefit from trying to thrash this one out again...

2. Yet again I have to ask: where are the men-hating Le Tigre lyrics? Find me just one.

quote:I respect that Hanna quote, but maybe she should try to remedy this by making this point more clear in the future.

Why? Why should she bother? I know I keep harping back to the hip-hop comparison, but would you really demand that every fiercely pro-black rapper specify in interviews and lyrics that white people are allowed to listen to their music too?

Harsh as it sounds, Flux, I'm tempted at this point to just say "Get over y'self". Maybe you need to accept the fact that not everything is about you - not every record needs to take into special consideration the feelings of straight white males...

I have to concede though that this:

quote:Kathleen Hanna, the Bono of feminism?

...is quite brilliantly bitchy. But untrue. She's the Chuck D of feminism.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:57 / 08.02.02
Hmm. A slightly less dubious comparison would be when rappers say that when they talk about bitches, of course they don't mean *all* women, just the ones who're bitches, and so if any women are offended, well then they must be bitches... doh!

Which is more or less what I'm getting at.


Harsh as it sounds, Flux, I'm tempted at this point to just say "Get over y'self". Maybe you need to accept the fact that not everything is about you - not every record needs to take into special consideration the feelings of straight white males...

Yeah, I think that yr right. I think that the comparison between Hanna and militant black musicians whom I love comes down to that I don't think there IS a comparison. There's no way on earth that you'll ever be able to convince me that Kathleen Hanna and her audience has it as bad as inner city black people, or really, just black people on this planet throughout history up til and including the present day.

I'm not in any way saying that the injustices and crimes against women and homosexuals aren't horrible and reprehensible or shouldn't be written about, rallied against - just that a lot women and homosexuals DO enjoy a lot of power and social privelege, and there are a lot of people out there who don't at all. I just have a lot more empathy for black people, I think they have it a lot worse, even the black people who enjoy wealth and social privelege. Maybe it's a question of personal experience, as in reality all of my friends are 'ladies and fags' and men who apparently excluded from Hanna's critiques, and having that contrasted with the reality of urban minority classes, I just don't think "we've" got it as bad.


But untrue. She's the Chuck D of feminism.[/QUOTE]

Nah, Kim Gordon is the Chuck D of feminism.

Kathleen Hanna's good intentions/intelligent ideas to bullshit/posturing ratio is pretty much the same as Bono's, I think.

I can't help but think of all the much more talented, much more articulate feminist artists that exist out there, and we're still chatting up Kathleen Hanna. Maybe we could at very least move a rung or two up the ladder and talk about Kim Gordon or Sleater-Kinney...
 
 
Polly Trotsky
15:22 / 08.02.02
Ignoring, of course, that the largest portion of individuals living in poverty in the US are women (and white), and that women are most likely to be victims of violent crime... sure, they don't have it as bad. And even within "urban minority communities," who exactly do you think has the least power? Who frequently gets specifically excluded by hip-hop lyrics.

And yet y're willing to defend, lazily, explicit defamation while taking KH to task for not saying "...and Flux..."

[ 08-02-2002: Message edited by: [Your Name Here] ]
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:45 / 08.02.02
quote:Originally posted by [Your Name Here]:

And yet y're willing to defend, lazily, explicit defamation while taking KH to task for not saying "...and Flux..."



I suppose this is really a case of whom I am willing to cut more slack on a strictly personal level and less about prioritizing who has it the worst. You have very good points, and you can maybe change my mind, it happens all of the time - already in the context of the two Le Tigre threads I've changed my mind a few times.

[ 08-02-2002: Message edited by: Flux = That Dastardly Dilettante ]
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
17:08 / 08.02.02
quote:
I'm sorry, but y'know, I feel like telling that guy to "go die"...after hearing that.

Right. Key words: that guy.

(not always a literal expression, peeps)

I understand that, and you understand that, but can you safely say that everyone does? Yes, we can go on and on about the context of the song, the irony and whatnot, but who's to say that some seriously disturbed person isn't out there, nodding her head in a totally unironic way and making up her mind that, 'yes, white males in general are responsible for the shit that's happened to me and I must hurt one at random.' Even though this may be an extreme example, I still think it's dangerous to say things like this.

And bear in mind the fact that the song goes on to answer the inevitable criticisms in its own lyrics:

"I'm so sorry if I'm alienating some of you
Yr fucking culture alienates me"

Well, no. I don't think that it answers my criticisms at all. It's not a feeling of alienation, it's a feeling of potential threat. Even if no violent acts came about as a direct result of that song, I'm sure that some people's views of white males in general were darkened as a result.

This whole aspect of the debate strikes me as pretty ridiculous: Bikini Kill were a fucking punk band, complaining that their lyrics make you uncomfortable is kind of missing the point.

I'll criticize fascist or mysogynistic or racist aspects of other punk bands, and I'll criticize Bikini Kill if I think that they may have fostered anti-male sentiments. Just because they're punk doesn't let em off the hook.
Arthur Sudnam
 
 
Disco is My Class War
03:43 / 10.02.02
Flux said:

"Wait one second. So everyone who shares feminist views, who's non-homophobic - they should all somehow feel obliged to blindly support someone like Kathleen Hanna, with no criticism, no matter what, or else they probably don't really feel that way to begin with, or have suspect motives? Kathleen Hanna, the Bono of feminism? Riiiiiight."

No. You are generalising; I was being specific. What I'm saying is that Le Tigre inhabit a weird position where they are incredibly popular and so are held responsible for representing everyone who listens to them equally well. This 'responsibility' extends either side of where I'm positioning myself: the fact that Le Tigre have garnered much more critical attention because they played the MYWF, and also your critiques of their lyrics not including 'everyone', ie straight boys. Personally, I have a lot more time for the argument that Le Tigre are transphobic, although I think they've been scapegoated slightly. But calls that Le Tigre should attempt to represent everyone who listens to them are ridiculous. Would you ask Team Dresch, for instance, to sing a song about how heterosexuals are cool and okay? No, because Team Dresch are not nearly as 'popular' (and besides they broken up).

I am finding this conversation on Le Tigre interesting, but I am still totally unconvinced that they reproduce 'reverse sexism'. Well, frankly, I don't believe in reverse sexism. But y'know, I'm a woman (in this thread, anyhow) so you shouldn't take my contributions too seriously or anything.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
06:23 / 10.02.02
quote:Originally posted by arthur_sudnam:
I'm sure that some people's views of white males in general were darkened as a result

This is the most entertaining thing I have read all year.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
06:23 / 10.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Rizla Year Zero:
completely agreeing with Flyboy.

Say, I bought Le Tigre's self titled album yesterday. It rocks. Definately the best thing they've done, I reckon.

It is, indeed, fucking fantastic. When you hear "Deceptacon," think of me.

getting to end of thread, intelligient commentary to follow (one hopes!).
 
 
Cherry Bomb
10:02 / 10.02.02
I find it continually amazing that when women (and of course in this example we're talking about Kathleen & Co.) express their anger at being second-class citizens who do NOT enjoy the same rights as white men, this is threatening and seen as some sort of reverse misogyny. Don't you think there's a bit of a right to anger there? It's really fucking annoying. Anger does not equal hatred.

Flux, god love ya, but it seems that you're completely missing the connection between racism, homophobia, and sexism - and I can assure you they are ALL intimately connected. Kathleen Hannah perhaps didn't have it as bad as some black kid growing up and nearly getting shot in the projects, and by no means would I dare to suggest that non-white people are not oppressed in horrible ways, but let's look at the big picture: women ARE overwhelmingly the opressed in big and small ways throughout the world.

Whether that means I have to wear a burqua, or I have to tell some guy to fuck off when he calls "hey baby" as I walk down the street, doesn't fucking matter.

Yes western women have made gains, but until I have a government that's 50% women, until I CAN walk down the street without some asshole leering/following me/shouting at me/scaring me, until there's a good wage for traditionally "female" jobs like daycare, etc., until, really, it's no big deal for guys to cry and get emotional - and I'm not seen as weak if I DO those things, until I can fuck like a man and not be seen as a slut, NO - we are NOT fucking there. Sorry.

This is why I love the speaking bit in "tres bien" - I can see I'm gonna have to listen to this album today. I need feminist company methinks.

And I think you have to applaud Le Tigre, and Kathleen - I can't believe there's music out there that's both pop-py and intelligient. Yay!

As far as being excluded, that's kind of your choice. You think I don't feel excluded when Eminem says "BITCH I'ma KILL YOU/You don't wanna FUCK WITH ME" ? Think I don't feel excluded when the mcs say they fuck all the hoes but they don't ever love 'em? THink I don't feel excluded when W. Axl says "Turn around bitch I got a use for you?"

Now, all the above songs I just referenced are songs I actually LIKE - but have always made me feel uncomfortable b/c of those lines. So if YOU feel a little excluded from "For the ladies and the fags yeah," big fucking deal. Personally I think it's good for you. Gives you something to think about.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:03 / 10.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Cherry Bomb:
I can't believe there's music out there that's both pop-py and intelligient. Yay!


I don't think this is a very rare thing at all.

And Rosa's statement about Le Tigre's popularity is also very interesting when their immediate 'competition' in the marketplace would be Sleater-Kinney, Sonic Youth, and Ani DiFranco, all of whom are significantly more popular than Le Tigre.

I'm very curious why none of you discuss or even mention Sleater-Kinney, whom I think are much more intelligent band with far greater musical/songwriting skill, who attain a level of emotional complexity and breadth that Le Tigre can't even come close to.

Either way, I concede a great many points to Rosa and especially Cherry...
 
 
Jackie Susann
19:29 / 10.02.02
Not speaking for anyone else, but because I find SK incredibly dull, worthy, critic's choice crap. Except 'I Wanna Be Your Joey Ramone', which rocks.

Wouldn't Le Tigre's 'immediate competition' be other woman-led post-punk dance-pop acts? Peaches, Chicks on Speed, Brassy, Tracy and the Plastics, etc.? I really don't see them as aiming at the same market share as senile art noodlers like SY... and it does seem to me they are more popular than any other explicitly left/feminist, quasi-experimental rock band going - who else is there?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:20 / 10.02.02
[subjective opinion stated as fact]

quasi-experimental

Yes, that word describes Le Tigre very well.

I don't think 'dance pop' is quite an accurate term for Le Tigre, not with so much straight ahead punk still on their records. Speaking strictly about their music, Le Tigre are pretty average and musically aren't anything new. As said earlier, Bis (as an example) were doing all of the things Le Tigre is doing right now seven years ago. Were it not for their lyrics and their celebrity frontwoman, Le Tigre wouldn't be very notable at all.

Contrasting Le Tigre's compositions with similarly electronic/sample based post punk written and composed by female artists like Solex or Laika, Le Tigre seem quite laughable and sophmoric. And this is even before we start to think of other electronic rock artists who happen to be male. Le Tigre does match up quite well with a band like Stereo Total, but I don't think that's any compliment, personally.

I don't think it's fair or favorable to Le Tigre to compare them to Peaches, because Peaches is more or less a novelty act going for laughs. Brassy is only notable for its tagental relationship to Jon Spencer Blue Explosion, and Le Tigre stomp all over them, along with Chicks On Speed.

Maybe a favorable comparison can be made to Cibo Matto... but I think that Le Tigre are very derivative of Cibo Matto. In a perverse way, Beyonce Knowles can be considered competition of Le Tigre, for the fact she writes and produces a large chunk of Destiny's Child's music and her lyrics tend to be quite feminist. But their audiences are very different, and Beyonce's is obviously much more massive, mainstream, and predominantly black as opposed to Le Tigre's tiny predominantly white fanbase of hipsters.

But yr right, it may be wrong to compare Le Tigre to bands like Sleater-Kinney and Sonic Youth, if just because those bands certainly aren't lyrical one-trick-ponies...and Sonic Youth does have four boys in the band! Same goes for Stereolab...

[/subjective opinion stated as fact]

[ 11-02-2002: Message edited by: Flux = The Dancing Architect ]
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:23 / 11.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Flux = The Dancing Architect:
Peaches is more or less a novelty act going for laughs.

You think? I reckon there's far more going on there than that. And while sure, there's a few funny moments on her album and tied in to her whole persona, I think a lot of it is played straight (so to speak).

As for Sleater-Kinney - well, I haven't mentioned them because this thread isn't about them... It's a bit lame when rather than backing up certain arguments or responding to other people's points you just go "okay, but they're not as good as Sleater-Kinney!"... And S-K are a quite different prospect: for starters musically they're much more straight-up rock'n'roll. I like some of their songs a lot - eg, 'One More Hour', which is the kind of angsty, yearning love song that I don't think Le Tigre could probably do (but then, I don't ask them to, if you see what I mean), also 'Ballad of A Ladyman', 'You're No Rock'n'Roll Fun', 'No 1 Must Have'... But both albums I've heard all of (Dig Me Out and All Hands On The Bad One) seem a little too filled with generic rock for my ears. Which is, sure, personal taste. I don't see much point in comparing them to Le Tigre though - they're doing very different things, and the only point of comparison is that they're both all female bands... It's like going into a thread about Mos Def and saying "I think Mos Def is a bit shit... because he isn't Busta Rhymes. Why aren't you talking about Busta Rhymes?"
 
 
rizla mission
08:23 / 11.02.02
1.Desperately trying not to get dragged into the Sleater Kinney thing again cos, as Flyboy so correctly points out, this thread has nothing to do with them, but - generic? still don't see it myself .. some of their songs are better than others, but even at their worst they still kick innovative, doesn't-sound-quite-like-anything-else arse.

2.THANK KRIST someone finally killed that 'Le Tigre exclude people' argument. I mean, no disrespect to Flux & co. intended, but on the big list of moronic musical arguments I think that was pretty high up..

3. I agree with Flux regarding Peaches though - I find her shtick so completely tedious after about 30 seconds and her backing music just sounds like the demo mode on a cheap casio half the time.. Gonzales & Princess Superstar are sooo much better..

4. To try and return to the original topic intention, now that I'm familiar with Le Tigre's entire output, Feminist Sweepstakes stand up as a pretty cool album, but it's still musically disappointing given the promise of their debut .. <pure speculation> maybe the LT member who left and got replaced (don't remember the names off hand) was the one with the biggest pop know how? </pure speculation>
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:16 / 11.02.02
Yeah, I'd say that Peaches does have some serious pro-sex feminist content, but it's so incredibly thick with ironic humor that it's ultimately a clever joke. And I mean this in the best possible way: I love Peaches, and I think she's an amazing performer. I think that ironic humor is also a brilliant form of political commentary - just in comparison to a group like Le Tigre who are much more straightfoward and dead serious in their political commentary, it seems like an unfair comparison for Le Tigre.
I'm sure Peaches would be flattered to be compared to Le Tigre though...


Rizla: Peaches and Gonzales are nowhere near as great alone as they are together on stage. Trust me.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:32 / 11.02.02
But see Flux, one of the repeated bones of contention here is that you don't seem to think Le Tigre have much of a sense of humour (or a sense of fun). I can't help but disagree... Just take these lines from 'Let's Run' as an example.

quote:Or we could SUCK!
"They might improve"
We get our grades from
Professor you, and you, and you...

I can't help cracking a goofy grin every time I hear that... It's all in the way the "They might improve" line is chimed in conversationally. And y'know, I don't think they're 'straightforward' either, as something like 'What's Yr Take On Cassavettes?' indicates - there's a lot of space for ambivalence/contradiction there... In general, I don't think they're always as didactic or polemical as you're implying (although they do polemical fucking well - see 'F.Y.R.').

[ 11-02-2002: Message edited by: Flyboy ]
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:44 / 11.02.02
Well, everybody has a sense of humor, I would like to think. And I'm not saying that Le Tigre don't have their lighthearted bits - I just don't think that they are best defined by them. Le Tigre have a lot of songs which are quite serious, and though they may lighten them up a bit, I don't think that it would be a good idea or fair to them to suddenly start comparing them to comedic novelty acts, you know? Nor do I think comedy is Le Tigre's strongest suit, I wouldn't exactly encourage them to become comediennes, you know what I mean?

[ 12-02-2002: Message edited by: Flux = Rad ]
 
 
Jackie Susann
08:30 / 12.02.02
quote: [subjective opinion stated as fact]

Are there any posts here that don't fit that description?

The point to listing those acts (who I do like, and you are crazy to dismiss Brassy like that, but anyway) wasn't anything to do with their merits, but that you were saying Le Tigre weren't popular compared to their contemporaries. I was just suggesting an alternate and, I think, more appropriate set of contemporaries (and I think, could be wrong, Le Tigre are better known than any of that lot...)

As for Hanna as lyrical one trick pony, come on! Just off Feminist Sweepstakes, there's pure fluff (LT Tour Theme), songs about depression (Much Finer, Keep on Livin), songs about work (Well Well Well, TGIF), complaints about critics (My Art, Tres Bien, maybe Fake French), as well as the gender-politics stuff I assume you mean is her one trick.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
14:45 / 12.02.02
I always thought TGIF was pretty funny. Many, many times I would listen to it at top volume as I walked into or out of work (late again), simply to enjoy, "Youˇ're BEAUTITFUL... and your boss is an ASSHOLE.." (also great fun to sing at a few ultra corporate holiday parties I attended this season). I think they do a nice job of mixing humor with heady stuff, actually.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:55 / 13.02.02
So...................has anyone here heard the new Le Tigre remix 12"?

I would love to hear the remixes of Tres Bien and Deceptacon...alas, they are not online yet, and I don't have a working turntable...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:55 / 13.02.02
You beat me to that link, Flux... I was just coming to post it. Anyway, as you might guess, I want want want want want it. But it's not even due out on CD until May, and God knows if that includes UK distribution... I'm just hoping it surfaces on Audiogalaxy before that.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:14 / 26.03.02
Bump again. Let me know if this is too annoying, I just thought it was necessary cos the other thread's been closed...
 
  

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