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Pin
10:58 / 19.07.01
So what happened to them? Yeah, yeah, I know the split up, but why? And I know Black Francis went on to Frank Black and the Catholics, but isn’t there another band fronted by a Pixie refugee? Which band, and which refugee?

And are they really good enough to justify all the crap they inspired? Yeah, Nirvana were good, as were Mudhoney, but are there enough great bands out there, coupled with the Pixie’s own back-catalogue, to let history cast them in a favorable light considering the sheer weight of Pixie-blamed crap out there.

And should Cobain have been hounded down and physically forced to apologize after saying Nevermind “sounded for al the world like a Pixie album” when, to my mind, it fucking well doesn’t?
 
 
bio k9
11:27 / 19.07.01
Kim Deal...Breeders ect.

Why should a band be blamed for the garbage they "inspire"?

And Mudhoney? Brother, that inspiration came from the Sonics (and Russ Meyer films).
 
 
Fengs for the Memory
12:27 / 19.07.01
All of those bands nicked wholesale from the mighty Husker Du. Listen to Zen Arcade and weep with joy.
 
 
Dogstar
12:30 / 19.07.01
Kim Deal is in the amps now i think, but maybe they split up too.
When i was a teenager i had such a big crush on Kim Deal, but when i was a teenager there wasnt many female musicians i didnt have a crush on.
 
 
Graham the Happy Scum
12:48 / 19.07.01
Well, actually, the Breeders are finishing up a new album with Steve Albini producing.

But no! Why the heck should great bands apologise for the bad bands they "inspire". Sounds a little like the gentle patter of musical snobbery to me.

Besides, Pixies-inspired bands aren't nearly as dire as all the fucking evil Pearl Jam/STP/Live "inspired" covers bands around these parts...
 
 
Saveloy
12:49 / 19.07.01
Nirvana were different to the Pixies in sound, but similar in approach - that is, they combined fantastic pop TUNES with beefy NOISE.

The Amps album is well worth checking out, by the way, sorta rough, ham-fisted garage rock.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
12:59 / 19.07.01
Sadly, I am the only one who thinks the Breeders' Pod was better than Last Splash. I suppose that's because Tanya Donnelly can write better emotional songs than Kim Deal.

<listens to a glass break, then sudden utter silence>

What? Yes, the Breeders are good, but I don't think they require the tarding out that everyone seems compelled to do.
 
 
uncle retrospective
14:32 / 19.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Kali:
Sadly, I am the only one who thinks the Breeders' Pod was better than Last Splash.



You are not alone Kali, Pod kicks so much ass it's not true. I saw them suporting Nirvana and they were so much better.

The pixies split cause kim Deal and frank Black hate each other from what I heard.

The Pixies and Jane's addiction. Two of the best bands ever.

I'll hear no arguement.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
16:24 / 19.07.01
So what happened to them? Yeah, yeah, I know the split up, but why? And I know Black Francis went on to Frank Black and the Catholics, but isn’t there another band fronted by a Pixie refugee? Which band, and which refugee?

Well, Frank split up the group at the height of their popularity in a radio interview...the other band members were among the last to know. There was a lot of tension in the Pixies from the start, especially between Frank and Kim. Well, actually, almost entirely between Frank and Kim... Frank and guitarist Joey Santiago still play together quite often. Dave Lovering played on a few records with Santiago, and now does some sort of solo thing, I don't know what it's about, but I'll be seeing it next month when he opens up for Grant Lee Phillips.

If yr familiar with Frank's first two A-MAZ-ING solo albums, you'll notice that his music was changing a lot, and evolving past what he was doing in the Pixies. In retrospect, Trompe Le Monde sounds a lot like the first Frank Black album, it's much more solo Frank than Pixies. If you don't own Teenager of the Year, RUN OUT AND BUY IT NOW. It's one of Frank's greatest achievements. It's unfortunate how many people bailed out on Frank after the Pixies...as I've said, the first two solo LPs were wonderful. The third one, "Cult Of Ray" is really terrible save for two good songs, and the first Catholics album was weak, but the last two Catholics records are great, the newest one, "Dog in the Sand" is among his best work, I'd say. (Pin: "If it Takes All Night" from yr tape is from Dog in the Sand)

I like Nirvana, and can certainly see how they relate to the Pixies. Nirvana had their own good thing going on, and it was informed by a lot of other things than the Pixies...Kurt Cobain certainly had his own identity. I don't think the Pixies really invented much of anything, rather than just perfected some things...they really had a mastery over concise aggressive surf pop/garage rock with surreal lyrics, but obviously, they weren't the first to do any of that.

I think that the influence of bands like Nirvana, Pixies, et al comes from the sense that what they did was easy because it was so basic and simple-sounding, that sort of "hey, you can do something like this too" sound.
 
 
grant
16:43 / 19.07.01
"Pod" is as good as the Breeders ever got.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
17:14 / 19.07.01
It's statements like those that fills me with squishy feelings for grant.

Oh by the way, I fucking HATE Nirvana.
 
 
bio k9
18:49 / 19.07.01
Oh

no

you

didn't...

Did someone just say they hated Nirvana?
 
 
Ellis
18:58 / 19.07.01
I don't hate Nirvana, just the ten years too late fans I seemed to be surrounded by in college.
 
 
ynh
09:19 / 20.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Kali:
Sadly, I am the only one who thinks the Breeders' Pod was better than Last Splash. I suppose that's because Tanya Donnelly can write better emotional songs than Kim Deal.


I think I'm in love.

Still, I'd like to hear the new Breeders album... (should I even admit I've listened to the Amps, the Kelly Deal 6000, and The Josephine Whiggs Experience?)

But back to Tanya Donelly, who has written a solid majority of my favorite emotional tunes... (sighs) nary a happy Belly song.

No fair comparing Stolen Tempo Autopilots to the people they stole their tempo from, though.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
09:27 / 20.07.01
quote:Originally posted by [Your Name Here]:


But back to Tanya Donelly, who has written a solid majority of my favorite emotional tunes... (sighs) nary a happy Belly song.

No fair comparing Stolen Tempo Autopilots to the people they stole their tempo from, though.


Man, everyone is so harsh on the Stone Temple Pilots...they've always been one of those bands that would be considered a guilty pleasure if I actually felt guilty about liking a bunch of their songs. Granted, they've recorded a lot of crappy songs, but they've also done a lot of really solid fun pop rock...the Tiny Music LP is a really underrated record of odd guitar pop, and it's really unfortunate how STP's mostly neandrathal audience hates it for being 'arty' and the rest of the world won't listen to it because it's the Stone Temple Pilots. "Big Bang Baby" and "And So I Know" are at least as good as Breeders' "Cannonball" and "Saints", I'd say. They aren't a really special band, but they are at least on the same level of quality as loads of similarly spotty indie rock acts.

Re: Belly...the only Belly songs I've ever liked at all were the happy sounding pop tunes...the others always left me cold.

[ 20-07-2001: Message edited by: Flux = Rad ]
 
 
ynh
09:59 / 20.07.01
They're only happy sounding, friend. Poppy music over cold themes...

And christ, I'm not particulary invested in crapping on STP, but they followed a corporate recuperative path if ever there was one. It's nice that they've matured or whatever and thown off their neandrethal shackles, I suppose.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
09:59 / 20.07.01
quote:Originally posted by [Your Name Here]:
They're only happy sounding, friend. Poppy music over cold themes...

And christ, I'm not particulary invested in crapping on STP, but they followed a corporate recuperative path if ever there was one. It's nice that they've matured or whatever and thown off their neandrethal shackles, I suppose.


I don't know...I think "Puberty" is a pretty joyous tune...its bittersweet, but upbeat.

STP: they are a pretty market-driven band...the record that followed Tiny Music was mostly horrible metal dross, and the new one has a few nice pop numbers, but still loads of crap radio metal. I've no incentive to own anything other than Tiny Music and a cdr of random tunes that I think are nice from other lps, if that tells you anything.

I don't know, I've got a big soft spot for band like STP, Pearl Jam, The Smashing Pumpkins...I got into that stuff as a young teenager in the suburbs, and I've never seen anything wrong with big melodic melodramatic rock anthems, and I've never seen it as something as a thing that has to be at odds with weirder rock music...I was heavy into Pavement, Sonic Youth, Velvet Underground, Fugazi, etc at the same time...it's true that the latter formed the basis of my future musical tastes, but I've never been one to disown anything I've ever liked.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
09:59 / 20.07.01
What Kali and grant said.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
09:59 / 20.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Kali:
Sadly, I am the only one who thinks the Breeders' Pod was better than Last Splash.



No, you are not alone!

>>reaches for Kali's hand<<
 
 
Cherry Bomb
09:59 / 20.07.01
"Lady Picture Show" from "Tiny Music" is maybe not one of my favorite songs, but it's on the list thoroughly. I'm not an STP fan but I do think "Tiny Music" is pretty good.

As far as "Belly" goes - strangely enough I was recently listenting to their big breakthrough album, whatever the fuck it's called I can't remember, the one with "Feed the Tree" on it, and I would actually say that overall it's a very nimble, very good album. So there.

The Pixies - Deserve all the credit they get IMHO. One of my criterion for good rock music is "Does it resonate through time?" And every single Pixies album absolutely stands the test of time. One thing I love about "Trompe le Monde" is that even though they'd break up shortly after that album, when you listen to that album it is so fucking TIGHT you just can't believe that sound is coming from a band that'll be breaking up soon.

And how can anyone hate Nirvana?
 
 
ynh
09:59 / 20.07.01
The album is Star, which, either hilariously or tragically, has led to me drunkenly asserting that Belly was named after Dr Seuss's sneeches (the star-bellied ones in particular.) And it's brilliant, and they put on a great show, and King is great, too. [/gushing]

And while I come out on the Pod side, I have a very soft summery spot for "Saints."

But this is about the Pixies. And I have their albums and stuff, though only Doolittle in the original.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
09:59 / 20.07.01
I don't hate Nirvana... wait, wait, sorry... yes, I fucking do.

Can't stand their songs. Can't stand Cobain's lyrics or voice. Can't stand the hysteria surrounding them, both when they were around, and now they're not.

Can't stand the deification of a junkie suicide. I'm not one of the "we lost a selfish moron, the world just got lighter" corps, but please. They guy wasn't that talented, or groundbreaking... Nirvana were just in the right place at the right time, caught a wave, etc. And if the Voice Of A Generation (TM) sounds like that, then I'm sorry, but it's not my 'generation', and I really don't want a great deal to do with a 'generation' that would hold this monkey up as an inspiration.

I didn't care one way or the other when I heard that Cobain was dead. On the other hand, I cried me a river when I heard that Bill Hicks had died. Now that's an inspiration.

Rant over. I shall now relax and enjoy the life that I have chosen. The Pixies are amazing, though.
 
 
rizla mission
09:59 / 20.07.01
PIXIES: a year or two ago, I spent a month jumping around listening to nothing but Pixies and revelling in their general greatness. Which made it one of the most fun months ever, but sadly means I'm sick to death of all their albums, having listened to them 800 times each.. Trompe Le Monde is my favourite, despite not having much Kim on it..

NIRVANA: My favourite band ever throughout my mid-teenage years. I'd rather not discuss it. Apart from fairly blatantly ripping off the odd guitar riff, I don't think they ever actually *sounded like* the Pixies, but Kurt said it was getting into the Pixies that made him stop writing BLack Flag rip-offs and start writing pop songs (see: the huge difference between Bleach & Nevermind). So for that they deserve only gratitude I suppose..

BELLY: I like Belly. Don't really have anything more piercing than that to say on the subject I'm afraid.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:30 / 20.07.01
Pin: to sum it up, The Breeders are a lot better than Frank Black's post-Pixies work...

All I know about the Stone Temple Pilots is that both Kim Deal and Pavement have dissed them in songs. So they MUST be shit.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
13:34 / 20.07.01
But, Senior Fly, is it a diss when one is called an "elegant bastard?" And "Foxy?"

"Range Life" always gives me chills, for some personal reasons. But I digress (as usual)....
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
14:49 / 20.07.01
quote:Originally posted by The Flyboy:
Pin: to sum it up, The Breeders are a lot better than Frank Black's post-Pixies work...

All I know about the Stone Temple Pilots is that both Kim Deal and Pavement have dissed them in songs. So they MUST be shit.


Ah, the infamous Range Life slag... I never really thought either diss was particularly venomous, and the song was sung in character, as an aging baby boomer hipster... "Out on tour with The Smashing Pumpkins, nature kids, I/they don't have no function, I don't understand what they mean, and I could really give a fuck. Stone Temple Pilots, they're elegant bachelors, they're foxy to me, are they foxy to you? Well, I agree, they don't do anything else more for me. don't worry, we're in no hurry...school's out. what did you expect?"

Malkmus has always been very weird about how he 'disses' and 'slags' mainstream bands...sometimes it is hard to tell how ironic he's being. Have you ever heard the rather pretty live version of the Pumpkins' "1979" they did a few times on the Pavement final tour? Or the numerous times Malkmus has played Oasis tunes live?

My love for Malkmus/Pavement is eternal.
 
 
tracypanzer
15:35 / 20.07.01
Right there w/ you, Flux. Actually, I think you're required to love Pavement if you live in Brooklyn, at least it seems that way in my neighborhood. Back when Pavement and the Breeders did the Lollapalooza tour together in 95, Kim Deal did not have nice things to say about SM. Also seem to remember her more or less blaming 'Drugstore Cowboy' for her sister's heroin addiction, which seemed kind of strange.
 
 
gentleman loser
16:06 / 20.07.01
I think that the Pixies never got the credit that they deserved because they were just so fucking random. I guess that's why I enjoyed "Surfer Rosa" and "Doolitle" so much. Let's face it, if you can't be pigeonholed into some format that the radio will play, than you just ain't gonna be popular, now will you? Originality doesn't sell. That's fine. I know lots of people who don't like Pixies, even though I think they're the best band of the late 80's and early 90's. They were not willing to get along and keep it together just to rake in a buck, which gives me even more reason to like them.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
17:06 / 20.07.01
To me, Nirvana was just overhyped shit. I don't care what the "critics" say about them changing the face of music, it didn't make it any less annoying.

And again, whereas people like Last Splash better than Pod, I liked Belly's King better than Star. But Tanya's Lovesongs for Underdogs was so good, it nearly tore me apart. ("Do I look like a crier? Do I look like a crybaby to you?")

And again, I think Pavement is shit. I fucking hate Steven Malkmus so he can suck on the drippy end of my fuckstick.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
17:06 / 20.07.01
quote:Originally posted by tracypanzer:
Right there w/ you, Flux. Actually, I think you're required to love Pavement if you live in Brooklyn, at least it seems that way in my neighborhood.



Christ, which neighborhood are you in? I want to stroll through it and bask in the Pave-love!

It's pretty interesting that Pavement comes up in a thread about the Pixies, as both bands are of more or less the same stature and influence, and have very similar career trajectories. I wish more great bands would have the same sense as Malkmus and Frank Black to break up their bands at the top of their game.

Hm. I wonder if Preston School of Industry will pull a Breeders and have one big freak hit single that outsells the entire Pave/Malk catalog, despite Malk being a much more consistent songwriter than Spiral, and Deal not even being anywhere in the same league as Frank as a songwriter.

(Don't get me wrong, though - I love Spiral, and Preston School's first two releases are really nice. I think there's a bunch of nice Breeders tunes too.)

I find it really odd how Kim Deal is given such a bigger role in a retrospective view of the Pixies after her one freak hit single, what with Frank having written 98% of the Pixies catalog, and sang brilliantly on about the same percentage of those tunes.

Any solo Frank Black fans around? Any thoughts on his solo repertoire?

[ 20-07-2001: Message edited by: Flux = Rad ]
 
 
ynh
17:59 / 20.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Kali:

And again, whereas people like Last Splash better than Pod, I liked Belly's King better than Star. But Tanya's Lovesongs for Underdogs was so good, it nearly tore me apart. ("Do I look like a crier? Do I look like a crybaby to you?")


What is this strange feeling?
It took me awhile to get into Lovesongs for Underdogs, which I still attribute to diappointment that Belly was truly gone. Then I finally broke down and got the CD and went nuts; even "Landspeed Song" and "Acrobat" aren't bad.

more samples:
quote:
i saw a movie, i saw the saddest film
where everyone got killed, and the crowd went wild
i didn't understand the end, i couuldn't spot a good guy
all your heroes are whores


quote:
i wanted a lion but i ended up with a man
who wanted a gazelle, but
i am a goat girl
and i do my brutish best


And Bless the 4AD site for having the LfU videos.
 
 
Pin
09:41 / 21.07.01
I've heard one Fank Black solo song, "If It Takes All Night" and I liked it. But it's no where near as good as the Pixies...
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
09:46 / 21.07.01
Pin, I can assure you that a large percentage of the songs that appear on the first selftitled Frank Black and Teenager Of The Year albums are as good or better than anything on any Pixies record or "If It Takes All Night". Songs like: "Ten Percenter", "Fu Manchu", "Brackish Boy" "Czar", "Headache", "Freedom Rock", "Fiddle Riddle", "The Vanishing Spies", "Sir Rockabye", "Thallosacracy"


Now if that doesn't set you up for major disappointment, I don't know what will. Sorry for the hype!

[ 21-07-2001: Message edited by: Flux = Rad ]
 
 
Tom Coates
09:46 / 21.07.01
I can't believe I didn't know this thread was here! I mean DEAR GOD. The whole 4AD alt-rock stable were my lifeblood for most of the early to mid nineties - and the Pixies still occupy the 'best band in the world ever' tag in my mind.

I'm assuming everyone here has gone out and bought their B-sides album and the Pixies at the BBC thing (plus look out for a DVD in the next year or so). I always loved the Pixies b-sides, and in fact have all the singles on CD anyway, so it was a bit of a waste of money. But the b-sides are where a lot of the REALLY poppy stuff lurked, like 'Make Believe' and 'Manta Ray' which frankly are GODLIKE (Also Into The White - best thrashy single note song ever). The BBC album is also notable for having really simple tight versions of the songs that (IMHO) were really overproduced for Bossanova. The version of 'Is she weird' is stunning, despite (or possible because of) Kim Deal screwing up the bass line half way through and shouting 'OH FUCK' really loudly.

Frank Black's solo albums are better than they are generally given credit for, but are much - I don't know - more THEY MIGHT BE GIANTS than perhaps they should have been. They're just a bit self-consciously quirky, but without the sheer swaggering cock power of the Pixies. There are some great songs on the first two of his solo albums - Calistan, Brackish Boy, Parry the Wind High Low and many others. Definitely worth owning. The third album does, it has to be say, such a bit of ass, and I haven't bought any of the more recent ones, although I probably should.

Pod is UNDOUBTEDLY better than Last Splash - much more art-rock and broody. Great stuff. Last Splash is a little over-designed, but again, has some great stuff on it. Never could get into the Amps, although 'tipp city' is a good little song.

Belly again - first album GENIUS beyond measure - second album, too much alleged swagger to match with Tanya Donnelly's waifness. Bif of a pity. The b-sides of the first single from King though, are great.

Haven't got her solo album, although will now consider it.

I'm really surprised that no one has talked about the Throwing Muses and Kristen Hersh in this context. Some of the mid to later TM albums are just stunning, and include some of Tanya Donnely's best songs. You just can't go wrong with 'The Real Ramona' - it's fucking great and sounds kind of pixies/belly fusiony, only with a more 'I'm barking mad' edge to it. "Not Too Soon" is a GENIUS pop-song.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
09:46 / 21.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Kali:
To me, Nirvana was just overhyped shit...
and again, I think Pavement is shit. I fucking hate Steven Malkmus so he can suck on the drippy end of my fuckstick.


Nice one, honey. That actually came close to cheering me up.
 
  

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