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this year's hip hop

 
  

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Seth
19:19 / 14.11.01
I've been losing track a bit, particularly recently. I bought Mr Len's album on Monday, I'll be getting Big Jus' Plantation Rhymes next Monday, but I'm craving mind-blowing shit I haven't heard before (rather than being completist about guys I already like). Any recommendations from this year's crop so far?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:01 / 15.11.01
Do you have the Skittz album, Countryman, yet?

Other than that - depends how you feel about Jay-Z...
 
 
Pin
07:07 / 15.11.01
For people who are wondering, Countryman is, at least on the island, in the "2 for £22" deal in HMV. That and the box set of "Yo! Bum Rush The Show" and "It Takes A Nation Of Millions... " for my next purchase there.

Only have to wait 'til pay day tomorrow... Not long now... I can make it...

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No star here laces
07:17 / 15.11.01
Have you got the 'Essence of J Rawls' album yet? It's fantastic. Very soulful, plus 'The great live caper' is hilarious.

Also the new J Zone - "Pimps don't pay taxes" is brilliant. Fun, interesting production, but most of all brilliantly off-kilter mcing with a real sense of humour and fun. Lighthearted hip hop, but not in that twee J5 sense...

Do you have the Quasimoto album? Not my favourite thing this year, but I reckon might be more up your alley.

Also my current favourite singles artists (and have been for a while) are Styles of Beyond and Five Deez. Styles have a very sci-fi production style and an insistent Rakim-like flow. Five Deez are more varied and experimental, but their best stuff (to me) are the laid-back soulful tracks like "Jerk Anthem" and "Wow".

Oh, and you gots to get the new Dilated Lp, naturally...
 
 
Seth
15:23 / 15.11.01
Cheers boyze. I've got the first Dilated album and I was pretty disappointed, to be honest. I may give the second a listen, though, as I've heard good reports.

I had a brief blast of Quasimoto in HMV, and wasn't really feeling it. Again, on your recommendation I may give it another go.

Jay Z sounds like fun, although I may put it on the Chrimble backburner. Tell me more about Skitz...

Oh - has anyone heard any Rubberoom? They featured on Techno Animal's The Brotherhood of the Bomb, and they were great. Lots of personality, very hungry. They've got an album out, I think...

MMMM, and evening with Big Jus...
 
 
No star here laces
15:31 / 15.11.01
Tell you 'bout skitz?

Shit boyee, where you been? Skitz is the producer on the most significant UK hip hop record yet, i.e. the only one so far whose quality consistently matches the americans and whose style puts a whole new iteration on the old form we love so much.

Skitz is not the most UK-sounding producer out there, but he is the most consistent, and obviously has a good relationship with his MCs. For some really UK flavour, pick up any stuff by Karl Hinds (think 'Witness').
 
 
Seth
15:35 / 15.11.01
I've been outside the M25, dude. We only get the odd transmission on emergency frequencies only.

OK, I'll check it out. I've been pretty unphased by the majority of UK output, but I'll check it out.
 
 
Pin
06:35 / 16.11.01
Dude, try living over the solent... we get smoke signals and Limp Bizkit.
 
 
glassonion
13:44 / 16.11.01
was the infesticons' gun hill road this year?
mike ladd, saul williams, co.flow, antipop consortium teaming up to take the michael from piss nanny or whatever he's called. jokes and beats and spit-spattered rhymes aplenty. skitz album an absolute fucken classic as you say, for more brit stuff i reccommend gamma over roots manuva, tho i can't remember the name of their album right now. cannibal ox of course. aesop rock - doseone - sole [sorry - not very good at remembering album titles, especially hiphop where there's five essential new ones to learn every week].


and i didn't say 'dude' once.
 
 
autopilot disengaged
16:25 / 16.11.01
i've heard a couple of rubberoom tracks and they're unbelievably hard. but good, if you can get past the pain barrier.

and i'd second the infesticons, though i was less taken by the latest anti-pop LP.

how about cLOUDDEAD? still haven't heard the album in entirity - but that 'jimmy breeze' track is fantastic - and absolutely unlike anything else (except DJShadow thru a roomwide haze of harsh hash smoke).

as regards dilated peoples - i quite liked the last album - especially 'work the angles' - can imagine with DJBabu on board they can't be dismissed out of hand. i guess you gotta keep one eye on the assorted solo wu, too. never know when they're gonna throw some genius out with the chaff...

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Seth
14:09 / 17.11.01
I was actually really into Anti-Pop's record. Some wicked production, and some great verses. S'alright: worth a few listens to find the funk in it.

I bought Aesop Rock a few weeks back, only to find out it had Mr Lif in the case. I was pretty peeved, largely because Mr Lif is a no-talent muthafucka. Deeply dull record. I've heard great things about Aesop's album though, so I'll definitely pick it up.

The Infesticons record is also excellent for the most part. I think Mike Ladd needs a bit of a directing influence to hold his music together... which is also what cLOUDDEAD could do with. The record's grown on me, but it's still a bit too detached and willfully eccentric to make fun listening. One to put on when you're in the mood.

I'm now sold on Rubberoom. Hard is good.

Does anyone know when El-P and Lyrics Born have their albums out?
 
 
cidermonk
19:25 / 08.12.01
bubba sparxxs.the dungon family .organized noise.
these and many other great hip hop groups from the dirty south are worth a listen
 
 
The Natural Way
12:51 / 22.11.02
I can't help thinking the funk is sooo apparent on APC's record. There's so much playful hiphop like this around now. MTV Base is full of completely fucked, weird production - but it's often very funky stuff. We're miles away from Old School Hiphop now (Fuck off Jurrasic 5, and stick yr "going back to the days of 'yes y'allin'' up yer collective arse").


Which is bloody great.
 
 
rizla mission
14:42 / 22.11.02
I'm really liking a track by an Anticon off-shoot called Themselves that I've got on a free CD from The Wire (kill me now). It's kind of like cLOUDEAD but far less annoying and obscurist..
 
 
The Natural Way
14:49 / 22.11.02
My mate Matt (of Smiling Friends & Sabbath fame) threw a 'Themselves' gig in righton last Friday, and then hung with the guys for the rest of the weekend. Turns out they're all real nice guys and Dose 1 used my bro's room as his base for the duration of his stay! Weird and great!

I gather they'd like to come back....
 
 
The Natural Way
14:51 / 22.11.02
...so get some assin' money together, boy!
 
 
_pin
10:14 / 23.11.02
When when when??

I got that ceedee too, because it had a new Electrelane song on it. What they neglected to point out was that it sounded like a shitty demo of a practise run thru of a b-side for their first album, and wasn't worth my actually paying monies and being seen buying the Wire.

So. Rubberoom. Please exp draw a map to reacords of theirs in So'ton.
 
 
rizla mission
14:46 / 23.11.02
I kinda like The Wire. Even when they're being completely up themselves and I've got absolutely no idea who/what they're going on about, it still reads like a bizarre kind of poetry.. (check the Acid Mothers Temple review in the current issue for some of the most gloriously deranged music writing I've ever seen.)

And, to use the venacular of this thread, you can't be denying that the majority of stuff on those free CDs is thoroughly dope! (Even though the general tone of the thing's a bit polite - none of the crazy noise stuff they review in the mag).

Er, sorry, now returning you to hip-hop discussion hopefully..
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:18 / 24.11.02
Christ, this thread was about 2001, wasn't it? Well, since 2002 is now drawing to a close, I heartily challenge anyone to name an album that wouldn't be eaten alive if left alone in a room with El-P's Fantastic Damage. Seriously, all the best hip-hop singles this year have been R&B/pop-flavoured, and mostly produced by The Neptunes, but the album of the year crown is surely claimed by the King of Beard-Hop (it's such a great album, it's made me reconsider my use of that term, even).
 
 
not nervous
22:10 / 01.12.02
Edan! Edan, Edan, Edan!

Edan has absolutely monopolised my turntable time. first the album, primitive plus. it has beautifull beats with a rugged aesthetic, some of the beats sound almost like he's pressing the buttons on the sampler right then and there, he throws crazy reverb on the vocals... it's largely referential, steeped in love of hiphop, like imagine jurassic 5 but with some intelligence and actually relevant to nowadays, and fucking hilarious... i could type an essay but i don't think i will. but theres the album, the sprain your tape deck ep and now the emcees smoke crack remix 12". all wonderfull. consider him reccomended.
 
 
illmatic
07:29 / 02.12.02
Bit late in this discussion but thought I'd pitch in (even though my login name refers to an album that came out in 1993 - what the fuck do I know about 2002)Gotta big up Edan and Skitz - both dope as hell, Skitz in particular, his beats are just killer, esp. when teamed with Rodney P. Rodney used to be in the London Posse, and is to my mind, the best UK MC with a wicked boom style ya yardman London flex.
 
 
illmatic
07:38 / 02.12.02
I hadn't finished that post!

Newest things I've brought have been the new 7L & Esoteric LP and the new Lewis Parker. 7L's thing is a bit disapointing as an LP, beats are a bit flat but it's got some great singles on there. Lewis Parker is better, the beats are amazing - dark, jazz tinged - but whether you like the rest of it depends on if you can hack the kind of whiny London rude boy vocal tones typical of UK hip hop. Not saying its not good, but it gets on my nerves after a while.

I also really liked the J Live LP - jazzy, intelligent hip hop. Great single "Satisfied" where he kills it over Pablo's "East of the River Nile".

Gotta agree with Fly, best thing in terms of breaking new ground has been "Fantastic Damage".
 
 
Seth
16:52 / 02.12.02
[tears in eyes]

I thought I'd never see the day when Barbelith embraced The Illest Motherfucker Since Oedipus, the Most Sinister Mr.Brainfuck Crowd Confront. What glorious times we live in.

Watch that beard-hop shit, though.

[/tears in eyes]
 
 
No star here laces
09:03 / 03.12.02
Well, before you get too overjoyed, I do believe me 'n Flux are still holding it down for the haterzzzzzzzzz
 
 
bio k9
09:05 / 03.12.02
Thats all great but what about Snoop's Pimp Slapp'd?

"A lotta niggas should've said it, fuck em
But Ima say it for em, stop it, pop it, rewind and play it for em
This nigga's a bitch like his wife
Suge Knight's a bitch, and that's on my life
And I'ma let the whole world see
Cos you fucked up the industry, and that's on me..."
 
 
No star here laces
12:15 / 03.12.02
Snoop stopped smoking weed. What is the point of a snoop what does not smoke?
 
 
Helmschmied
15:09 / 03.12.02
Didn't Nostrodamus claim that when Snoop stopped smoking the next antichrist would reveal himself? I've been scared ever since I heard the news.....
 
 
Gary Lactus
19:56 / 06.12.02
For those of you who may be interested, Boom Bip is playing live at Sabbath (Ocean rooms, Brighton) this Sunday 8th of December 2002.
 
 
Gary Lactus
18:58 / 09.12.02
And he was jolly good.
 
 
Rage
23:57 / 10.12.02
Let's just say that hip hop has been this years most satisfying comeback. It might be fair to say that there is now less "bitches and ho's" shit than "raw hardcore underground" shit. Besides the obvious "now that the underground is more prominent than the mainstream it's no longer underground" floom, I'm quite happy to be around for this party.

Anyone heard Organized Konfusion? Good shit!
 
 
Seth
04:56 / 11.12.02
Yeah, they're good fun. I'm curious, Rage: did your last post come through in a timewarp from 1997?
 
 
No star here laces
12:56 / 11.12.02
Actually, that post could well be the start of an article on hip hop in The Guardian.

I can't wait (as it will inevitably happen) for people to start saying things like "Isn't it great the way rappers now are getting back to what hip hop is all about: guns, misogyny and crack. It's not all about scientifical mystical abstraction and conscious afrocentrism, y'know."
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:58 / 11.12.02
What's weird about what Rage says - *apart* from the way in which it appears to have rolled off the Guardian-review template Lyra so accurately describes, and which merits a whole thread of it's own (and they'll *never* start saying it in reverse, Lyra, because the whole point is that it's a form of revisionism that positions all other hip-hop except the individual artist or small group of artists being lauded as violent, mysoginistic, etc, no matter how blatant the historical/contextual inaccuracies) - and *apart* from the bizarre idea that the "underground" is *less* misogynistic than the mainstream, when it seems reasonably self-evident to this boy that it's more so - is the fact that 2002 has seemed a really quite year for the so-called underground. What has there been that's really made an impact - the El-P album is ace, but hasn't really got much play as far as I can tell; UK hip-hop's still doing well, but the American underground? Tell me what I'm missing - as far as I can see this has been the year of shamelessly melodic and pop/R&B-orientated, but brilliantly unique hip-hop: 'Addictive', 'Without Me', 'Work It', the Neptunes...

As express, says, you could have made that case a few years ago - the glory days of Rawkus - but of course there was a huge irony there: sounds from the underground, cash from Rupert Murdoch...
 
 
Rage
23:27 / 11.12.02
Did I ever claim to be hep? I, personally, heard a lot of great underground hip hop this year. I, personally, am quite happy about this. Good for you and what you listened to in 1997. Guardian-review template? Nah. I just like what I like. Should I have posted this as poetry? This is the first time anyone has ever compared my opinions to Guardian format, hence I thank you for the feelings I am now experiencing. I never knew what it would feel like to receive this comparison until now. Interesting stuff.

All year I've listened to freestylers blow my mind away- listened to beats that have transcended my entire state of being- for the first time in my life I have truly immersed myself in hip hop. Was a good year for me, whether the fun was emitting form a pirate radio station or a friends multi speaker. I give no crap if I'm "behind," and I truly hope that nobody here is stuck in such a box.
 
 
No star here laces
01:30 / 12.12.02
Rage, you're just unfortunate enough to have worded your post in such a way that it drunkenly wandered into a pub-brawl in mid-swing...
 
  

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