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The Wicker Man

 
  

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Hush
16:42 / 27.12.01
(New Years Eve)

The long cut, not so much a directors cut but the one that is truest to the writers vision. The writer in this case is Anthony Shaffer, so this should be much better than either of the previously available versions which sought to turn this film into horror movie and trivialize the cultural basis of the islanders.

This should appeal to those of you who loved the invisibles, with particular resonances of vol 3.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
19:59 / 27.12.01
If they cut out any of the exciting musical stylings of folk-rock troupers Magnet, I shall be most unimpressed, y'know.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
20:04 / 27.12.01
corn rigs and barley rigs, corn rigs and barley rigs!

choon.
 
 
Hush
20:32 / 27.12.01
Folk Rock is pretty scarey.
 
 
rizla mission
21:16 / 28.12.01
This isn't on down in Wales .. somewhat ironically, as it's the part of the world where it's most likely to be re-enacted.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:58 / 29.12.01
This is probably too late for anyone who's interested to notice it, but

quote:Radio Times:
Channel 4, Tonight, 12:20am

Burnt Offering: the Cult of the Wicker Man

Robin Hardy's 1973 film The Wicker Man was critically panned on its release but has gone on to become one of the most notorious British cult horror movies ever made. This documentary, which ties in with the network premiere of the director's cut on New Year's Eve at 11:40pm, examines the pagan rituals that inspired the film and the accusations of plagiarism and savage recutting that followed. There are interviews with the cast and crew, including with screenwriter Anthony Shaffer - made just before his death - and director Robin Hardy and stars Christopher Lee and Britt Ekland who finally breaks her silence to talk about her experiences making the cult classic. Presented by Mark Kermode.


Should be worth watching. Kermode generally knows his material and has been involved in similar programmes for C4 before (the 'Making of' documentary on the Exorcist video & DVD being one example).

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Tits win
19:42 / 01.01.02
Anyone who watched it notice the restored footage? It woz obvious, it looked old and coloured different. But don't get me wrong, I thought it was great. Let's hope for the DVD they fix it up. If they make one.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
20:05 / 01.01.02
I caught the "making-of" thing, and it seemed pretty good. Lots of cast bitchery pointed out, and Kermode really seemed to know his shit. Besides, him walking through what's left of the legs of the Wicker Man in the opening scene was worth it enough, frankly. Lee still seems quite fucked-off about the fact that they've "lost" the original print of the film - maybe more because a shitload of his stuff ended up on the cutting-room floor than for any other reason.

I think Rizla's seen the DVD version - at least, he gave that impression on a thread a while ago. That said, though, Amazon.co.uk say that there's nothing released (either special or regular DVD editions) until February 25th. Which is, coincidentally, my birthday, in case anyone's looking for some neat gift ideas. Ahem. It's already out in the US.

I was under the impression that the film broadcast (I caught from the May Day celebrations on, which is fantastic, as if I'd missed out on Chris Lee in drag saying "cut some capers, man!", I'd've been one bummed viewer.) that they were using the restored footage, as it was a lot cleaner than the video copy I've got, though it did lapse into shitsville on occasion - notably in a shot from Howie's POV at the end. Anyone able to comment on the additional minutes of the movie, as opposed to the previously-available version?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:50 / 02.01.02
The US (whatever region you call that) DVD is ace... it comes in a nice wooden box, has both short and long versions on it, plus documentary (a different one), trailer, etc... (someone got me it for my birthday, y'see, cos it's one of my favourite movies).
The extra footage, I'm not sure about... you get a few minutes at the beginning, with Edward Woodward on the mainland and his cop colleagues taking the piss out of his strait-lacedness... I think this actually DETRACTS from it, because you can pick up all the relevant information from the movie anyway, and having scenes set off the island tends to make the whole thing a little less claustrophobic...
There's an extra song, with Christopher Lee giving a great speech about the superiority of nature over Xtianity, and (I'm no biologist, so this isn't a definite) some snails fucking.
The way the longer edit works, as well, is that it means he's been on the island one more night than in the original.
 
 
Analogues On
17:44 / 03.01.02
The Wicker Man had been edited several times by both studio executives at British Lion and its director by the time it was finally released in order to make it “more appealing” to cinema audiences, and to re-focus the narrative structure. The “extended version” of the film re-instates a number of these cuts:

The opening scene, which was completely hacked in the final version, presents a little of Howie’s background on the mainland. Here we get to see him among his own community, where his ultra-conservative and moralistic behaviour - disapproving of any deviance from the letter of the law - is just as rigid as when he arrives at Summerisle. We also see the full reel of him at his parish church, reading the sermon and taking communion. He looks certain of his faith in his saviour’s sacrifice and his own redemption through it (without really understanding either, as we later find (“you’ll never understand the true nature of sacrifice” . He is positively glowing with self-righteous zeal beside his equally sober betrothed. All of which grounds him in a conventionally moral and religiously devout realm.
In the edited version, this sequence is alluded to in flashback while praying at the Green Man Inn. According to studio executive Michael Deeley, the scene was cut for being too reminiscent of a television police series, and I agree with Moominstoat who mentions that the scene detracts from the claustrophobic atmosphere of the film. I prefer the opening shot in the edited version; of a lone man descending into an unknown world with no narrative map to guide the viewer’s sensibilities or judgment.

The second major addition in the extended version is the Sacrifice to Aphrodite that replaces the Siren Song sequence (Britt’s dance) in the edited version. This scene gives us our first sighting of Lord Summerisle as well as introducing the more carnal aspects of island life. In this sequence, Ash Buchanan, a young island lad, is offered by the Laird to Willow (Britt Eckland) to be initiated into manhood. The scene continues the fertility themes alluded to in the villagers bawdy folksongs before, and the Maypole scene directly after it (as well as containing the mating snails, Lee’s speech and the folksong (“Gently Johnny” ) that Moominstoat mentions above).
The extended version then moves Willow’s Siren Song to the second half of the film, lengthening Howies stay on the island from 1 to 2 nights. This allows a nice sequential balance between the Sacrifice to Aphrodite (first day) and The Siren Song (second day), and fleshes out (if you will) Willow’s central role on the island.
I thought that it also made more dramatic (and tragic) sense to have the dance scene as a pivotal moment later in the narrative, in that it gives Howie a final chance to succumb to his own sexual desire – thus saving his life. It also more fluidly presages the Hand of Glory scene in this chapter, as well as helping to break up the search for Rowan towards the film’s climax and the final festivities wherein Howie’s true fate as martyr is revealed.
As well as these major additions there is also a lengthening of Howie’s initial investigations and of his final search of the island, about 10 – 15 minutes in total.

Of all of those associated with it, Christopher Lee in particular has condemned the various cuts made to the film, in which many of his own scenes were excised. The final theatrical version, according to Lee has “an awful lot missing. A tremendous amount”, and he generally felt that he film had been “raped” of its power. Writer Anthony Shaffer also felt that the editing of the film was “butchery”.
Lee’s fellow star Ingrid Pitt does not agree though, stating that, “it’s good to hold back information. I don’t think it’s a good idea to tell audience that Sgt. Howie is a virgin, or besotted with Jesus. You should make up your own mind what is happening. I believe in big surprises”.
Although the extended scenes were not absolutely essential, I would say that some of them definitely add narrative depth and dramatic intensity to certain parts of the film and are therefore worth seeing, especially if you’re a fan.

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Analogues On
17:52 / 03.01.02
<the above was edited a few times because those fuckin' smiley faces kept poping up whenever i wrote in a closed braket.
So no, there isn't supposed to be one in there.>


 
 
Tits win
18:23 / 03.01.02
I think most of the added footage was great for the narrative except ,as stated above, the begining. Completely useless. The rest was exellent.
 
 
rizla mission
21:12 / 07.01.02
I just watched the Wickerman.

What a terrific film .. now if you'll excuse me I think I'll spend the rest of the day prancing around singing made up folk songs.

Oh, one thing though -

I don't know my Golden Bough all that well, but if the islanders are wholly concerned with ancient harvest and fertility gods, how come Willow was described as "Aphrodite in human form"? She'd be one of them Greco-Roman goddesses, surely?
 
 
Not Here Still
16:23 / 08.01.02
Yeah, that struck me when I watched it the other day. I would rationalise that it's because the equivalent Goddess would not be so well known - at least, I've got no idea who she is.

Therefore, for the audience to twig what was goin on, they had to use Aphrodite.

Brilliant film, though. Not many films can make me want to listen to the Sneaker Pimps, because the Sneaker Pimps are shit. But they did a cover of one of the songs, and I'm ashamed to say that I want to hear it again.

And was I meant to hate the Pagans? Because, apart from the whole burning people to death bit, I want to be one....
 
 
Ierne
17:56 / 08.01.02
Thinking back on what I know about Celtic Mythology, I would venture to say there isn't a specific love/sex goddess per se. Much of the sexuality of Celtic Goddesses is tied up with sovereignty, which wouldn't have made sense in The Wicker Man unless Willow were to mate with Lord Summerisle. It's also worth mentioning that Gaelic Goddesses, such as The Morrígan or Uacht Scatha, have a distinct warrior mentality that may have intimidated the intended audience for the movie.

Hope that helps.
 
 
Analogues On
18:47 / 08.01.02
As Ierne says, there really isn’t a straight match with any Gaelic divinity. The closest that Irish mythology has would be Aine (awn-ya), who embodies some of the love/ fertility aspects of the classical Aphrodite - but who was also associated with The Morrigan (the terrible Kali-like goddess of war and death) - or perhaps Brigit/ Bree, who was a fertility/ fire goddess.

quote: And was I meant to hate the Pagans? Because, apart from the whole burning people to death bit, I want to be one....

Perhaps not surprisingly most people seem to identify more with the islanders than the repressed and stagnant Howie. Their exuberance, sexual openness and religious immanence speaks of an innocence that Howie seems to have forgone in the world of tears.

Yet to me, the film is at pains to point out the similarities of the 2 viewpoints/ religions (faith, sacrifice, religious rebirth, unification with the spirit), and does not extol one over the other. To me, the Pagans are shown to be as misguided/ obsolete as the Christians in their belief systems (and are obviously much more barbaric in their religious practices).

To me this similarity between the new and old religions was kind of the point of the film. That when the head of the wicker man falls in the final scene – revealing the blank face of the setting sun – you are left with the sense that nothing has been achieved, and that the sacrifice was as meaningful/ meaningless as Howie’s prayers by his bed in the Green Man Inn.

But yeah, I'd have Britt Eckland doing the Dance of Aphrodite over Edward Woodward anyday.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
09:50 / 09.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Not Me Again:
But they did a cover of one of the songs, and I'm ashamed to say that I want to hear it again.
Fuck that noise. You can listen to the original magic of Magnet on the soundtrack, released a couple of years ago. Apparently, it took three or four years to put together due to the "gone walkabout" nature of most of the film's elements. Some info here. It's available at Amazon, and I've seen (though shied away from the £16 they wanted for it) copies at HMV...
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
09:52 / 09.01.02
Actually, examinations on Kelkoo suggest that you can nab it from Tesco online, of all places, for £13.24, including postage...
 
 
Not Here Still
16:18 / 09.01.02
Oh no, I'll be getting the proper soundtrack soon enough.

My point was that the film was so good it actually made me want to listen to the fuckin' Sneaker Pimps, fer Chrissake.
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
23:18 / 12.01.02
I picked up the soundtrack in Brighton for a mere tenner, and it's every bit as wonderful and creepy as the film.

Pointless information: The Mock Turtles (of Can You Dig It? fame) did a cover of Willow's Song. Don't ask me how I know this.
 
 
netbanshee
15:59 / 20.04.02
...just saw the DVD version over a friend's last night for the 1st time...his discord brother had said we should catch it. Beyond wondering about its authenticity as relating to actually May Day practice (some spoke here..thanks), I was wondering how it was received back when it was released. Gave me some feelings in my gut similar to how Rosemary's Baby did. I imagine it did some things to those conservative types...
 
 
rizla mission
16:23 / 20.04.02
Pointless information: The Mock Turtles (of Can You Dig It? fame) did a cover of Willow's Song. Don't ask me how I know this.

More pointless information: Angelica covered 'Corn Rigs and Barley Rigs' on the B-side of their last single, thus reinforcing the impression that they are too-cool-for-this-earth.
Sadly,it was a straightforward folk version though. I think the world could have benefitted from a noisy grrl-punk-pop rendition..
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:33 / 20.04.02
Even MORE pointless information (soon to be followed by something REALLY horrid, I warn you now)- Nature and Organisation (a band formed by Michael Cahsmore, longtime Current 93 collaborator) did a cover of Willow's Song, with the divine Rose McDowall (of Strawberry Switchblade fame) doing the vocals. It's way cool.
Now for the horrid stuff- rumours doing the rounds a few months back that they were remaking The Wicker Man with Nicholas Cage have turned out to be true. How shit is that?
 
 
Shortfatdyke
17:35 / 20.04.02
i heard last night that this film is being re-made with nicholas fucking cage in the lead role.

i would like to storm somewhere to express my outrage. any suggestions? (unless i was being wound up, in which case, insert embarrassed smilies here).
 
 
Shortfatdyke
17:37 / 20.04.02
ah! bizarre posting synchronicity going on here....
 
 
rizla mission
17:38 / 20.04.02
That sounds like the most hateful idea .. ever.
 
 
Not Here Still
18:13 / 20.04.02
First John Constantine, now this?

BTW, bizanchee - are you in the UK? There is a piece on the Wicker Man in Uncut this month. Doesn't seem to be online though.

Basically, no-one wanted the film released originally...
 
 
netbanshee
20:18 / 20.04.02
no...me stateside but Uncut..huh? Where might I find some info on it...might end up just googling it a bit.
 
 
Ganesh
11:40 / 21.04.02
I expect they'll 'reshape' the film so Cage saves the girl, shags the barmaid, guns down Lord Summerisle (who likely has 'faggot' tendencies anyway) and swims home to Noo Yawk.

He's always been one of my most unfavourite actors ever; this just makes it official.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
12:12 / 21.04.02
nah, i bet they combine the movies and make a john constantine/wickerman crossover...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:19 / 21.04.02
Interestingly enough, and slightly off topic, there's a horror novel by Ramsey Campbell called "Ancient Images", about weird shit that happens to people who try to track down a print of an old horror movie. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's even loosely based on the history of the Wicker Man, but there are lots of deliberate in-jokes and parallels.
Haven't heard much about the JC movie for a while... hopefully it's been shitcanned.
But yeah, sfd- sorry to say, you're not being wound up. (And then, every time I tell anyone the Wicker Man's one of my all-time favourite movies, I'm gonna have to point out that I mean the original. And that's ALWAYS irritating.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:19 / 21.04.02
Oh yeah, and Elijah? You're sick, man.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
12:24 / 21.04.02
Said it before, say it again:

No matter what happens in the remake, Cage will end up doing some two-pistol-leaping-through-air action. Undoubtedly.

Bah.

The most recent online information I could find about the film dates from 2001, though - so there may be hope yet...
 
 
Bill Posters
13:05 / 21.04.02
There's an article on ithere.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
01:13 / 23.04.02
i know cage has done nothing but garbage for well over a decade, but his "most hated" status always seems weird to me. He was amazing in Wild at Heart and Vampire's Kiss, i mean these were two insane movies and he was totally nuts in them. in recent years, he's done big crap movies in order to keep his Saturn Films banner in operation, and as such has been responsible for gems like Shadow of the Vampire, which couldn't have been made unless forced through by a powerhouse like cage. so what's the hate really all about? if he could get a director like merhige in on wicker man, what's to lose?
 
  

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