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Royal Tenenbaums, Rushmore, Bottle Rocket, Darjeeling Limited

 
  

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ill tonic
23:19 / 21.03.02
Okay - here's my two bits :

Bottle Rocket was OK -- Rushmore rocked -- and the Royals rests somewhere between the two.

Zoolander!? Gawd, what a stupid piece of crap ... not a decent joke in the whole works ... utter shite! ... you had to have been huffing gasoline if you got anything out of this one.

Gawd help us all if I'm alone on this one.
 
 
CameronStewart
00:00 / 22.03.02
I saw the Royal Tenenbaums last night and broke my "I hate Wes Anderson" streak.

I really, really enjoyed it.

I may even go back and reassess Bottle Rocket.

Nah.
 
 
deja_vroom
00:00 / 22.03.02
By grant: quote:Royal Tenenbaums was actually written by Edward Gorey

I *so* need to see this one...
 
 
Utopia
09:36 / 23.03.02
"what?"
"huh?"
"did you say something?"
"when, just now?"
"i'm sorry, i'm on mescaline. i've been spaced out all morning."

i keep asking the guy who sells socks and bootleg movies on the philly subway if he has this in yet (so far i've only seen it 4 times...). i think i'm weirding him out.

"did you just say you're on mescaline?"
 
 
rizla mission
11:14 / 23.03.02
I saw Royal Tenenbaums on the plane home and, yeah, it's really enjoyable - it's a brilliant example of what Hollywood films should be like - feelgood and undemanding, but still unusual and thought provoking and engaging and with some degree of depth. Deserving of a big round of applause.

but .. how to say this without making out that I didn't like the film .. isn't it a bit, well, 'lightweight' for any 'best film of the year/EVER' type accolades?

I mean, it was fun, it a little moving, but it was still "suprisingly good Hollywood comedy" rather than "earth shattering visionary masterpiece", if you know what I mean..

(and I thought a lot of the music was a little intrusive and lacking in subtlety, though it's always cool to hear the Ramones in a movie)
 
 
Baz Auckland
14:26 / 25.03.02
Bored in Oxford last night I had to choose between Ali G and seeing The Royal Tenenbaums for a second time.. I chose the latter

One of the best things about the movie was that I forgot who the actors were... resulting that I liked Ben Stiller and for the first time didn't hate Gwenyth Paltrow. I really have to see Rushmore one of these days.
 
 
Utopia
09:44 / 26.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Barry Auckland:
...didn't hate Gwenyth Paltrow.


same here...maybe this is gwenyth reaching out to her anti-fan club.

and yeah, i wouldn't say this was the best movie EVER(that would be jumanji )...but i'm a filmmaker, and one of the reasons for this is because i never fucking see a movie nowadays that i feel is up to my standards of storytelling, directing etc. tenenbaums & rushmore feel like i could have made them, right down to the use of bill murray (who is not as loved as he should be). they're good, satisfying movies that are done to a medium degree of doneness. no cheesy camera, no "extreme" editing(though richie's attempted suicide was brilliantly done). they're just right for the story that's being told.
 
 
deja_vroom
10:08 / 26.03.02
Was expecting it to be more dark and twisted, but it had its moments. The guy playing Eli Cash was really good:
"Wildcats... wildcats... pshaww.. pshoooo... That's it, I'm leaving.."

But I really hated those bad sitcom moments. Raleigh reads the dossier about his wife's love life and goes: "She smokes". I mean, really...
 
 
No star here laces
12:38 / 26.03.02
Mmm, I'm squarely in the "Bill Murray can do no wrong" camp, but he really didn't impress that much in this movie. I think it's cos that beard hid his mouth and you couldn't see all his facial expressions...
 
 
FinderWolf
02:14 / 23.10.07
anyone see THE DARJEELING LIMITED yet? There isn't a thread for it, from what I could find...
 
 
Seth
03:04 / 23.10.07
Mmm, I'm squarely in the "Bill Murray can do no wrong" camp, but he really didn't impress that much in this movie.

Whereas I think it's some of his best work.

"Can he tell time?"

"Oh Good Lord no."
 
 
whatever
06:35 / 23.10.07
Seen it.

Encouraging changes in terms of the subjective set pieces and actual emotional investment of the characters insofar as the ordeal with the three boys and the rapids, but not as good as Tenenbaums, and certainly not Rushmore. Better than Life Aquatic though, and IMHO Bottle Rocket.

Pretty as always though, although the music was sort of oddly mismatched at times.
 
 
The Natural Way
07:01 / 23.10.07
Has anyone noticed the way all of Anderson's films end the same way? A slow motion, self consciously meaningful, march (or, in the case of Rushmore, dance) into the credits, accompanied by a piece of his favourite music. I enjoy his films a lot, but this trick starts to feel a little bit cheap and manipulative by the time you get to Tennenbaums and slightly annoying by the end of Aquatic.
 
 
Mug Chum
07:31 / 23.10.07
Well but that's a schtick of his, no? Somewhat of a trademark, maybe a tick like Kubrick or other directors had/have (or could be conscious and with further depth in its use, I don't know), but it's not so bad. I feel Tenenbaums' slowmo final shot is fantastic, and I thought Life Aquatic's was a nice little thing to punch up a grandpa-ish's POV on the kid adventure aspect of the whole thing.

But having Goldblum re-do his Buckaroo Banzai walk at the end was alright, I thought (and was still funny seeing another bit of Klaus loving Steve a bit too much, dressed exactly like his nephew, all still too immersed in that kid-fantasy world and seeing Steve as this big papa, somewhat shining a weird and funny new light into Steve and Ned's thing throughout the movie, very in accordance with "let's adopt him" -- "he was thirty, Steve").
 
 
The Natural Way
09:12 / 23.10.07
But sayIng, 'it's a shtick' doesn't really tell me anything I don't already know. My point is that the shtick has started to grate. It's become Anderson's shortcut to providing an emotionally satisfying conclusion. I can't help but feel it's all a bit trite and manipulative, as though he's yelling at us through the slo-mo pathos, 'LOOK, THIS BIT IS MOVING AND EMOTIONAL! IT'S THE END OF THE FILM! BE MOVED!'.
 
 
Mug Chum
09:48 / 23.10.07
Yes I see, but I'm not so sure it's a schtick in the sense that he's aiming at an emotional note (mostly because I always suspected Aquatic's end was somehow supposed to be funny in a manner I can't pick up). I mostly think it's the only way he can conceive in doing an end-ish feel, something (very artificially) saying "and so it is, we come to the end and...", and saying that a conclusion was reached -- but not really reaching one perfectly. It felt apropriately conclusive and in tone with Tenenbaums but not really in Aquatic. That's somewhat the reason I thought there could be a further comedic reading in Aquatic's end, kinda joking on that effect, maintaining enough ground for a serious "and so it is" feel -- that actually furthers up the comedy riffing on it (mostly because it didn't felt like Steve had much growing or any meaningful maturing, or even that many strings were tied).*

It feels like a failure (in the sense he can't think of any other way to hit a proper "The End" feel without explicitly vocalizing it to us, instead of ending it to us) but not so much one that annoys me just because there weren't enough movies to annoy me with it yet. I sort of think he's overrated, but extremely enjoyable, but mostly because people never seem to give a real reason to why his films are so brilliant (otherwise, without hype, he'd just be a director of very enjoyable, fun and worthwile films).

*Or maybe he just likes that imdb has him marked down as having a "director trademark".
 
 
Mug Chum
09:55 / 23.10.07
Sorry for the long-ass post. It appears we basically agree on that point. I just had a too confined reading of your use of the word 'emotional'.
 
 
netbanshee
23:36 / 23.10.07
I got a chance to see Darjeeling Limited and caught a short Q&A with Wes, Jason Schwartzman and Waris Ahluwalia afterwards. I'll get into the second bit a little later.

I'm in agreement with the sentiments posted about the film and Wes' work in general. I like his movies... they're full of beautiful moments, characters driving the big picture and they're heartwarming. Wes is certainly an eccentric (thanks Captain Obvious) and I like how everything we seen through the lens is what he intended. Much like Kubrick in that aspect.

It's just after seeing all of it, I also can't help but find that he sticks too strongly to his own conventions. I'd like to see a different development from him, something more. The river scene with the boys did diverge from his norm (as mentioned above), but there wasn't too much else that broke the mold. Most everything else was his compartmentalization of the moment. Of course they were on a train and all.

All that said, I still liked the film. It's hard not to enjoy his work. Certainly wasn't Rushmore or Royal Tenenbaum's though.

The Q&A was a treat though it didn't last nearly as long as I would have liked. Wes seemed a bit more self-concious than the other two (understandably so, after sitting in front of a crowd that just got done watching your new film) and they all talked a bit about the process and decisions they made over the course of the shoot. We didn't get a chance to talk about his upcoming stop-motion film, Fantastic Mr. Fox, unfortunately.

During the 4 months of the shoot (if memory serves), all of the actors and crew stayed on the train, allowing it to seep into the experience and their day to day activities. They had to deal with the train as its own entity... making everyone adjust to the stops, starts and movement of the vehicle and the people on board.

Another factor that played into the general experience was simply being in a different country and working within the confines of the local customs. Though the production team went out of their way keeping themes and color consistent throughout the film, it sounded like there was quite a bit of adjustment they had to perform on the fly.

Jason and Wes talked a bit about their decision to have Schwartzman's character barefoot the whole time, an element that they continued from the prequel Hotel Chavlier. When you consider all of the running after trains and such that happened in the film, it couldn't have been that much fun.

There was one anecdote to the whole talk... Jason shared a quirky behavior he had as a kid. When he was younger, he got the idea in his head that he really like having tightly slicked back hair. Unfortunately it didn't last after he woke up from his sleep the night before. To make the experience last, he would arrange pillows around him so he could sleep propped up without his head touching anything. Apparently this went on for a bit until he grew out of it (or woke up with a stiff neck too many times).
 
 
Mug Chum
05:15 / 30.10.07
Damn it, another piece of pop culture provider I won't be able to see every once in a while on tv without spotting things with a "oh! ugh...".

"But in my grand old age, I can’t excuse the racist caricatures that populate all of his movies."
 
 
Tryphena Absent
11:12 / 30.10.07
I find it difficult to read that article because I end up in a bind. The stereotypes Anderson uses are odd and analytical, Pagoda and Henry Sherman don't fit into racist stereotypes that are currently enacted in our culture but they do fit into racist characterisations touted by Hollywood films 50 or 60 years ago. It's difficult for me to separate what he does with male white characters from what he does with black female characters because it feels like a fantasy reference to golden age movies and their peculiarities. I don't understand where you even begin to analyse race at that level of reference. What does Henry Sherman say about Sidney Poitier if anything at all?
 
  

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