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Twin Peaks. UK TV.

 
  

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Spatula Clarke
15:01 / 02.12.01
Was I the only one who thought that the sound quality on the pilot was, well, a bit shite?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
16:16 / 02.12.01
No.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
07:47 / 03.12.01
Yeah. I thought it might've been my video, but there were moments of fuzz all through the fucking pilot. Which annoys. But the rest of it seemed OK - gotta love that Little Man From Another Place, eh?

I'd forgotten how densely packed the damn show is.
 
 
DaveBCooper
13:09 / 03.12.01
Densely packed is a good way of describing it. And a great example of that is the episode both written and directed by Mark Frost (episode 7, I think) which was the cliffhanger end to series one. Should be on C5 this coming Saturday, by my reckoning – or are they cutting down to one episode a week or something like that ?

And Return of Rothkoid, isn’t it ‘how’, not ‘where’ ? Although if that’s your intentional question, I say she’s in episodes yet to come, so no spoiling it for the new kids, eh ? Tch tch.

As you can probably gather, as a longtime TP fan. I’m appallingly glad that so many ‘lithers are now getting a chance to see it.

DBC
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
13:19 / 03.12.01
Hmm. I always thought it was where. But still. Quote erased. I'd forgotten about the Cooper-Truman flirtin' subtext, though - sassy! I have to say, too, that there's a lot more that makes sense (somewhat) having seen the prequel since I last saw TP.

At this rate, they should chow through it by Christmas, almost, shouldn't they?

And yes, converting people to TP is fun. I still remember freaking myself out when it was on originally- and then attempting to convince people to do the same...
 
 
DaveBCooper
11:35 / 05.12.01
Ach, looks like they may have changed to 'one episode per week' from this Saturday. Tch.

DBC
 
 
Spatula Clarke
23:21 / 14.11.02
I'm not sure how long this has been the case, but the region 2 DVD box set is out now. Sound and picture quality fixed (thankfully). Haven't yet explored all the extras, but I do like the Log Lady introductions.

The bits of the 'bonus material' disc that I've seen are pretty much a complete waste of time - the interview with Frost is fifteen minutes of nothing, the 'cast interviews' that are mentioned on the box amount to no more than about 40 seconds each with a few - six or seven - cast members and the 'Learning to talk in the red room' bit teaches us that the dwarf was recorded speaking backwards then the film played forwards. Shock!

Script notes and commentaries for each episode are included, and those are the bits that I've not looked at yet.

SPOILERS
So many things I'd forgotten, too. The real creepiness the very first time we see Bob, the Andy/Lucy relationship(characters who quite possibly inspired the whole of Northern Exposure), the Cooper/Truman relationship ("You're alright, Harry,"), Nadine breaking the rowing machine, the hunchback getting Audrey ready for her meeting with 'The Boss', Waldo's death, sub-plot on sub-plot on sub-plot, the shock that went through the fans at Cooper's shooting, the breathless anticipation for S2 to start... jeepers...

Mainly I'd forgotten just how wrong certain bits feel - chief amongst them being Cooper's dream: "Sometimes my arms bend backwards." It was the expansion of these sequences and the whole notion of there being something evil in the woods in the second series that have always stood out in my memory.

Anyone heard any news about the possibility of Season 2 coming to disc?
 
 
Ethan Hawke
00:31 / 15.11.02
Considering they sold a ton of these in the States, I can't imagine they won't do it. Dugpa.com says don't expect it until 2003, though.
 
 
DaveBCooper
07:22 / 15.11.02
E Randy, which ending does the DVD version of the pilot have ? There are two, I seem to recall, and one was never properly released on video in the UK; does the ending of the DVD have someone with a torch in the woods, or does it end with the red room ?

Just curious, as I might be able to use this as an excuse to justify buying it all over again…ta.

I think that the script stuff on the DVD was done by the folks at ‘Wrapped in Plastic’ magazine, so that could prove better than the other extras you’ve seen – if it’s the unshot scenes etc, I mean.

DBC
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:06 / 15.11.02
The pilot is the original US version, ending with Laura's mother having a vision of somebody digging up the necklace that James has buried in the woods.

I'd say it's worth buying even if you've got the videos, simply because the cleaning up of the film and sound is superb (unlike the Buffy S2 discs, where the picture quality is seriously grainy).

The interview with Mark Frost is annoying, both because of its brevity and also because of the way it's filmed. A telephone conversation between the Wrapped in Plastic editors and Frost, with the former pair in an office and the latter in a hotel, apparently there was a problem with gaining licensing permision for a piece of artwork that was in shot behind the interviewers. Since the original footage couldn't be used because of this, they decided to re-shoot the sections of them asking Frost the questions. It's a stupid gimmick that takes the focus off the actual substance of the interview.
 
 
rizla mission
11:43 / 15.11.02
Damn you cityfolk and yer damned dee-vee-dees!
 
 
The Natural Way
11:46 / 15.11.02
Steal the money to get one, Riz.

Video is nasty.

Oh, and Buffy S5 looks real nice. As does Twin Peaks. Mmmmmm...Buffy and Twin Peaks.
 
 
DaveBCooper
12:37 / 15.11.02
Curses, that’s the ending I don’t have (well, except in flashback later in the show, IIRC). Looks like I’ll weaken… but the improved quality’s a big draw, too – some of the sound on the videos is rather odd (one scene in an early episode has a boat-horn unnecessarily loud)…

DBC
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:00 / 15.11.02
~Grr. no feckin' channel 5.

*mutters*bloody hicksville
 
 
lentil
13:13 / 15.11.02
Damn! I was about halfway through this thread and moistening with excitement at every post when I noticed the dates were 2001. Argh! How did I manage to miss this last year? Guess i'll have to go back to persuading my cousin to lend me his complete run on vhs.
 
 
rizla mission
13:20 / 15.11.02
Video is nasty.

That's what I like about it!

Seriously, just wait a few years and it'll be the equivalent of vinyl. Eg, really cool and fetishised and better than DVDs.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
14:06 / 15.11.02
gah. lentil: at least you noticed.

I feel better now actually.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:10 / 15.11.02
ho. ho.

You just know that's not true, Riz.

Video is ugly, easily fuckupable shit.... Christ, my Buffy tapes are fucked and I've barely watched some of them. Urgh. No more.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
05:34 / 17.11.02
I envy all of you who are getting to see this for the first time. When it was on, we actually would get together in a large group so that we could discuss each episode for a couple of hours after it was on.

By the middle of the second season, most people had drifted away because of ABC's screwy sceduling, Lynch's way of making some scenes play out forever for effect and the conclusion of the mystery (which never EVER should have been revealed).

I'm amazed that this show ever got on the air, let alone was as popular as it was for a brief time. It's SO deep, rich and complex it makes it hard to watch on TV.
 
 
The Natural Way
10:56 / 17.11.02
Hmmm...not sure what you mean by "conclusion to the mystery" (and if you mean that Bob's wearing the Leland suit, why should that bother you?), and you are of course aware that Lynch didn't really intend for the series to end where it did; not only that, but he had very little to do with the soap opera shit that was the 2nd season.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
17:56 / 17.11.02
Why did it bother me?

Because the mystery wasn't important...it was a Maguffin, and Lynch himself never wanted to resolve it.

Who killed Laura? It Doesn't Matter.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
21:17 / 17.11.02
Riz: just like the 8-track, eh?
 
 
The Natural Way
08:18 / 18.11.02
Where did Lynch say that, Rose? I don't remember him mentioning he didn't want the mystery solved in 'Lynch on Lynch' and the interviews go real deep there....

And, anyway, Lynch is always doing an about face on that kind of stuff. He made a feature film detailing the events (not least between Laura and Leland) that led up to the murder, so, by that time, he must have had a great deal of stuff invested in that side of the story. There's love there - he's completely involved with it.

I think whether or not you feel the power (and the *point*) of the series is in any way weakened by the revelation that Laura died at the hands of her father depends, in large part, on yr interpretation of what 'Twin Peaks' actually is. That's just yr "real world", *local* explanation, anyway. Underneath that layer things start to get really interesting.... I think yr too hung up on the skin and not paying enough attention to what's seething beneath it.
 
 
000
20:49 / 18.01.03
Solitaire Rose: which never EVER should have been revealed

I damn Sight & Sound for their Twin Peaks review, because I would like to claim this as my own observation. But it's not.

Twin Peaks, in the first dozen or so episodes, is all about incest, that first, creepy shot of Bob staring intently at someone on a childs bed, Audrey in One Eyed Jack, where the owner, her father, tries to have sex with her, Madeline and the rape/murder around episode 13...
 
 
Spaniel
17:26 / 30.11.06
Okay, I've just been to Virgin and picked up a copy of Season 1 for £16.99. That, my friends, is the fucking bargain of the century. If any of you reading this haven't seen what is almost certainly the greatest television show of all time - a show that makes you sad because it's too good to have died such an untimely death, a show that makes watching other TV a depressing miserable experience, a show with more imagination, wit, humour, horror, gravity and entertainment value in an hour of running time than most most shows can muster over a season, a show with characters that you will fall completely and utterly in love with, and a show that helped pave the way for the rennaisance in modern American drama - well, all that for 17 quid? You'd be bloody mad not to give it a go.

Now, according to fandom, the first of two Season 2 box sets will be with us in April. Here's fantasising that this is part of a marketing build up to the release of the rumoured, all new Twin peaks teleplays. The whispers said that Lynch would begin work after Inland Empire and I imagine he'll be just about done with the publicity by April, so...

I honestly think if I hear that music over new visuals I will shed a man tear or three.

Manly. Tears.
 
 
Ticker
17:41 / 30.11.06
I feel the need for some cherry pie!
 
 
Spaniel
17:54 / 30.11.06
I didn't watch the series the first time around, but in the mid to late ninties when I was at uni I managed to gather together the few video tapes that lay forgotten in the dark corners of HMV, Blockbuster and Virgin. Cue regular Twin Peaks nights accompanied by hot, black coffee and donuts, and the occasional cherry pie.

Geektasm.
 
 
Spaniel
18:11 / 30.11.06
Further fuel to my little conspiracy fire is that Badalamenti recently announced that more music from the show will be released in the New Year.
 
 
Mouse
18:49 / 30.11.06
Season 2!? You lucky sods. I remember it being screened around 1996 (think it was on C5), and at the end of season 1 they said they'd be airing season 2 in the spring, and it never fluffing appeared. Now as I understand it, season 2 is meant to be comparatively pants, but still -- it might be nice to know what happens next, other than having to rely on Fire Walk With Me.
 
 
Spaniel
18:53 / 30.11.06
It's not pants, it's just, for the most part, not as good as that which went before. And when Lynch and Frost take control again towards the end it gets back to being totally brill.

Of course, then there's Fire Walk With Me which is a whole lot better than the uninitiated would have you believe and is a lovely capstone to the series.
 
 
PatrickMM
23:06 / 30.11.06
The opening eight episodes or so of season two are just as good as season one, and one Lynch-directed episode in particular is absolutely fantastic, one of the most powerful hours of television ever. Then there's a major downturn for a while, but I'd agree that it picks up again towards the end, and the last episode is literally the best episode ever. And thankfully FWWM is getting reevaluated. I think it's Lynch's best feature, working great as both intro and conclusion to the series, as well as marking a critical turning point in the development of his filmmaking.
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
08:20 / 01.12.06
How so? I'd go further back.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
12:27 / 01.12.06
Twin Peaks started at the same time I started second year university.

amazingly, I managed to convince this bloke on my course that one of our lecturers was the actor who played the abusive boyfriend of the amazingly sexy waitress.

there was a faint resemblence between said lecturer and leo, ah yes, that it, it was leo. (the one who ended up in a wheelchair I think)

faint.

but, yeah, this idiot bloke on my course fell for it.

I loved twin peaks. it happened at the same time lots of other cool things were happerning in my brain - courtesy of the world.

It was 1990 for fucks sakes! A golden year . . .

fire walk with me - so utterly 'human'.
 
 
PatrickMM
02:21 / 02.12.06
How so? I'd go further back.

What FWWM does that we don't get in any of his previous films is create linkage between the 'real' world, and the more subjective surreal segments. If you look at Blue Velvet or Wild at Heart, a lot of weird stuff happens, but the narrative proceeds in a fairly straightforward way. With FWWM, he begins to play with form a lot more, immersing you in the surreal reality that Laura inhabits. There's more outright supernatural stuff, now the evil isn't just a really bad guy, like Frank Booth, it's actually a spiritual incarnation of evil. Now, you could argue the series actually did this, but the film takes that surrealism to an extreme, it's the most surreal film he did since Eraserhead.

Like LH and MD, FWWM is a dream before dying, the frantic, scattered moments someone experiences on their way out of reality. The moment of transcendent death at the end of the film is another common thread with those two.

And, the focus on a female protagonist is a major departure from his previous stuff. In Blue Velvet, we're kept at a distance from Dorothy Valens, only seeing her through Jeffery's eyes. However, in FWWM, we engage directly with Laura, and this focus on a suffering, complex female protagonist continues with Mulholland Dr. and the new Inland Empire.

And that's why I see FWWM as the critical turning point in his output. It's where he manages to fuse the surrealism of his early work with the emotion and reality of his later stuff.
 
 
Spaniel
07:33 / 02.12.06
That seems reasonable enough, but the process begins in earnest within the show proper. FWWM and Twin Peaks can't be easily divided when we're thinking in terms of Lynch's creative journey.
 
  

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