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Seth
04:28 / 08.01.02
I had myself prepared for the most violent assault on good music imaginable. Kinda on a par with Skunkanansie. So when the theme was actually playing, I was surprised by how inoffensive it was - it was just on a mediocrity frequency that I couldn’t quite hear. They may as well have blown a dog whistle.

I enjoyed it. Bakula is excellent, showing many different sides to his character. Blalock was surprisingly good: I knew they’d cast her for looks, and I hadn’t seen any of her other performances. She makes a great Vulcan, and apart from Linda Park probably came off best acting-wise. The gel decontamination scene was gratuitous - “let’s show off a few of the shows assets!”

Linda Park was fab. Great fledgling character, great performance, everything scared the shit out of her. She’s adopted Uhura’s place in this series, but is capable of doing a lot more with it. I really like the fact that they have a linguist: I thought Darmok was one of the best episodes of TNG, because the universal translators can really tread on fresh story possibilities. My favourite lines:

Archer: “Tell him (the Klingon) to shut up!”

Sato: “SHUT UP!”

The Suliban are good villains for once. I get the impression that the person in the temporal chamber is human, although I’ve nothing to base that on besides years of honed Trek intuition. In a fanboy centric world he’d be from Section 31, but I don’t think this is gonna happen, is it?

The effects ranged from excellent to really dire. Trek as usual, then. The thing that really stood out was the extensive range of locations, and the variety of ways in which they were shot and lit. I hope it won’t descend into rock world hell from the third episode in. The shots in the space station were very effective, with a Cantina bar style scene, and some neat role reversals with the Enterprise crew being naive, amazed and frightened when confronted by the range of other species.

I’ll definitely be watching next week. It’s nice to know that Trek can still be exciting after so many years, particularly when you consider that most “franchises” (shit like the X-Files) run out of steam in the first few series. I’ve heard a lot of good things about the new movie, too.
 
 
Ganesh
10:13 / 08.01.02
Okay, I didn't watch it but... "the Suliban"?! Do they have weird turban-shaped heads or beard-like facial extensions or what?
 
 
Rev. Wright
12:39 / 08.01.02
Eroticised Monkeys in Space.
Enterprise ranges from Softcore centrefold porn to B-movie Space Western.
Sub Bon Jovi theme tune was such a turn off.

I'm sure it will be popular, but its now more of a Babylon 5 clone. I not convinced personally.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
12:37 / 09.01.02
Read a pretty good review which made the point that the technology level of 'Enterprise' isn't that far below TOS so technological innovation isn't really going to happen over the next six years. And you can get from Earth to the Klingon homeworld in a couple of days at Warp 4? Still, it wasn't utterly awful. Good to see they broke with tradition and didn't have an English character who was fey, drinks tea, seems awkward around displays of obvious sexual titilation and they are considering making gay sometime in the near future...

Oh wait, they did.
 
 
Laughing
14:12 / 09.01.02
The first time I heard that god awful theme song I shook my head sadly and silently wept for humanity.

But now....

I fucking love it! No apologies. Learn to appreciate good cheese, people.
 
 
Knight's Move
17:01 / 09.01.02
I've been watching it courtesy of a friend's computer and >sigh< I too have been impressed. Even the potentially cheesy S


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meet new race, get pregnant, save new race from Klingons, first man pregnant? Episode was fun. It could have been all Voyager hold hands "Do you think people of two different spoecies can find love? Simper Simper" crap but it was ok. I like the fact that Klingons just wanted to blow them all up, real hardarse Klingons. The manipulative Vulcans no one likes ("A Vulcan Science Officer? Are you mad?").
The temporal cold war seems fun, particuarly as we have been given bad guys who are green and scaly and yet in later episodes they might be the good guys and the human looking ones might be the bad guys, or not, who knows. It plays on the prejudices of a crew not used to aliens beyond human looking ones and forces them to consider actions not appearances.
Plus Sam Beckett is suprisingly good with his twin guns and his suffering form Kirk syndrome (Hmmm beautiful alien woman...) but I want him to use that spinning kick every time he gets in a fight...

Problems - a friend of mine says its a shame that older tech looks a lot better in this than the (supposedly later) original because of the advance of special effects but taht's just niggling. Oh and that FUCKING tune - I've heard a rumour it's Rod Stewart 'Faith of the Heart' Confirm/deny? Anyone?

Oh yeah and guesses on whether T'Paul will end up with Archer or Tucker now please.
 
 
pantone 292
09:09 / 12.01.02
Where-are-the-Thermians?
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
09:09 / 12.01.02
So what the fuck just happened to the Tali.. Sulibans that they don't appear in the other series? Time travel mishap? Death caused by bone degenaration? This 'villain from the future' plot can be a mess if not played right. Sticjing with the awe of space exploration is where the fun is.

The producers are really dumb on the prequel issue. They just had to watch 'The Cage' (the pilot without Kirk) and the original series' first year and make the tech less advanced than that.

And as for the gay subject, what about Data? Or Wesley Crusher?
 
 
Seth
09:09 / 12.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Vortex09:
So what the fuck just happened to the Tali.. Sulibans that they don't appear in the other series? Time travel mishap? Death caused by bone degenaration? This 'villain from the future' plot can be a mess if not played right. Sticjing with the awe of space exploration is where the fun is.


To begin with, the producers are not too concerned with continuity. Otherwise Voyager wouldn't have pissed on Borg history. And they also changed when the Eugenics wars took place for the sake of First Contact (technically we should be fighting them right now. I wish the producers had grown a pair and just done a divergent timeline).

Secondly, that's the whole point of the series - to be a simultaneous prequel and sequel. One of the things that gives the show an edge (that would be lacking if it were just mapping existing Trek history - see Star Wars 1-3) is the sense that over four hundred hours of televised continuity is at stake.

Thirdly, Trek has done a lot of recent work to establish a secret history. When you bear in mind exactly how much has gone on in world history that we don't know about (I mean major events), it shows a nice handling of the Trekverse to be able to say "There's tons we haven't shown you yet." See the episodes of DS9 that deal with Section 31 - if anything, I hope that the temporal crisis in Enterprise is what makes the fledgling Federation install S31 into the charter.

Put it this way: there's massive precedent for sworn secrecy when it comes to time travel - the characters from later series just may not even know about what occured. I mean shit, Kira didn't know who Kirk was!
 
 
dawntreader
09:09 / 12.01.02
do you think they'll touh on the the whole Klingons looking completely diiferent thing?

((firstly and again I must apologise if this doesn't make sense.. I'm very drunk))

secondly I'd like to add a big hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


dawntreader
 
 
Seth
09:09 / 12.01.02
Their rationale was "If they'd had the budget, Klingons would always have looked like this."
 
 
Ganesh
09:09 / 12.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Vortex09:
And as for the gay subject, what about Data? Or Wesley Crusher?


Puh-leeease reassure me you're joking. Servile nerdiness and utter lack of apparent sexual attraction do not "gay" make...
 
 
Cat Chant
09:09 / 12.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Vortex09:
And as for the gay subject, what about Data? Or Wesley Crusher?


Garak: deliberately 'gayed up' by the actor, who believes he's gay, I've been told. Also clearly doing it with Bashir ("having lunch" obviously means "fucking like bunnies" in forty-second century Palare - or whenever the hell it is).

Paris & Kim are also obviously doing it in Voyager, signalled via traditional homosocial dynamic of pulling holodeck birds together. (Also their habit of going onto the holodeck into incredibly camp b/w sci-fi adventures. Together.)

Seven of Nine as well, though I'm still not convinced she's actually doing it with Janeway.

Data, however, no. I reserve judgement on Wesley Crusher since the only gay thing I can remember him doing is drooling on an injured Jean-Luc, and that just proves that he's sentient.
 
 
Ganesh
10:44 / 12.01.02
Isn't this "slash" rather than "gay"...?
 
 
Seth
10:54 / 12.01.02
I'll confirm that for you, Deva. Andrew Robinson definitely wanted to make Garak's sexuality ambiguous. He also never pounced on Ziyal when she was all over him.

Garak rules. Garak rules even more than Spike. Deva: did you know that Robinson wrote a Trek book about his character?

(AlternaKira was bi. And Dax, although that was more of a past life thing)
 
 
Ganesh
11:01 / 12.01.02
Wasn't that more of a "completely unexpressed" thing?
 
 
Seth
13:20 / 12.01.02
She got off with the partner of one of her former "hosts" (joined species, symbiotic thing), only she'd been placed in a female body since that relationship.
 
 
Seth
04:18 / 15.01.02
Who saw last night's episode?

I'm starting to really get into this. The characters are great, and embarrassingly I'm starting to like the theme. Pity about the American high school sports movie ending, but you can't have everything.

AND I'M IN LOVE WITH LINDA PARK.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
10:16 / 16.01.02
saw last night's and thought it was getting worse, apart from the well gruesome aliens-on-butcher-hooks bit. theme tune continues to grate.

Hoshi is a whiny pain in the archer.
Dr Phlox is Neelix in a fat suit.
"Trip" and Mayweather are at least pleasant on the eye.

& the promise of Star Trek: The Soft Porn Movie in the opener was not borne out.

all the male actors have very odd noses.

I did like the cowardly torpedoes which got within feet of the target then went into their dance.

but then DS9 and Voyager were undoubtedly slow burns to begin with, and in the case of Voyager seldom came up to the boil at all.

there is so little depth to these Trek epilogues, in comparison with the marvellous darkness of Farscape.
 
 
uncle retrospective
10:28 / 16.01.02
quote:Originally posted by ZoCher:
there is so little depth to these Trek epilogues, in comparison with the marvellous darkness of Farscape.


Yea but nothing is as fucked up as farscape which contuinues to become more deranged by the week. Enterprise is a Trek franchise and will probaably never rise above that. But we can hope.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
10:56 / 16.01.02
quote:Originally posted by expressionless:
She got off with the partner of one of her former "hosts" (joined species, symbiotic thing), only she'd been placed in a female body since that relationship.


Yes, but didn't the DS9 press office put out a statement to go with that episode emphasising that Dax WAS NOT gay, it was just their slugs used to be married.

And thanks to whoever it was at Kokky's birthday Barbemeet who explained to me the context of the Kirk/Uhuru kiss in TOS...
 
 
Seth
17:36 / 16.01.02
I've never seen Voyager come to the boil.

"Getting worse?" Don't we need a few more episodes before we can establish a trend?

I heard that about Rejoined. Regardless, the episode is stil about relational/sexual taboo, and as such came across bizarrely as referencing the issue of prejudice against homosexuality in a typically detatched Trek manner, while also featuring a lesbian kiss. Go figure - why they couldn't have tackled it head on I don't know.

Interesting fact: when Patrick Stewart was in Jeffrey he received hate mail from Trek fans for playing a gay character.

Interesting semi-confirmed rumour: That Roddenberry was gay, and that his marriage to Majel Barrett was for convenience.

[ 16-01-2002: Message edited by: expressionless ]
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
03:38 / 17.01.02
--Puh-leeease reassure me you're joking. Servile nerdiness and utter lack of apparent sexual attraction do not "gay" make...--

Totally joking, Ganesh. Sorry if that wasn't clear, mate.

But I'd prefer most of these ST characters were aimed as gay than sport this "lack of apparent sexual attraction". It appears that gays have just disappeared in Trek continuity as time went by. Which reinforces the arument that the Trek universe became more and more insipid.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
03:40 / 17.01.02
--Interesting fact: when Patrick Stewart was in Jeffrey he received hate mail from Trek fans for playing a gay character.--

I wonder if they've sent hate mail too when Stewart was a villain or on a wheelchair or hunted a whale. Trekkers are not always people, you know...
 
 
Mourne Kransky
03:40 / 17.01.02
quote: I've never seen Voyager come to the boil.

latterly, particularly in early season six, it improved a bit, I thought. then lost it, again.

I liked "Night" where Janeway gets depressed and hides in her room. and she did a mean Sigourney Weaver impersonation, stripped to skimpies and smeared in grease, with a big, big gun, as she single-handedly eradicated the invading alien macroviruses in an earlier episode.

it's an achievement, however, to be able to pull a fourth rabbit out of the same hat. I like the way nothing works properly and you get a feeling that they might take some risks with the format, once the dramatic bases are embodied. hope so. there's definitely more humour in it and a more sexy feel. Scott Bakula looks good in his blue undies.

at least there's no bloody Kes.
 
 
I, Libertine
13:03 / 17.01.02
I saw last night's Enterprise episode...

I was sitting there for the first 15 minutes saying "Boring!" to the TV, and just as I picked up the remote...

[spoiler?]

...the malevolent alien ship returns, and Archer walks onto the bridge saying, "Guess we aren't so uninteresting after all!!" Eh, I thought, only moderately true.
 
  

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