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Seth
04:28 / 08.01.02
I had myself prepared for the most violent assault on good music imaginable. Kinda on a par with Skunkanansie. So when the theme was actually playing, I was surprised by how inoffensive it was - it was just on a mediocrity frequency that I couldn’t quite hear. They may as well have blown a dog whistle.

I enjoyed it. Bakula is excellent, showing many different sides to his character. Blalock was surprisingly good: I knew they’d cast her for looks, and I hadn’t seen any of her other performances. She makes a great Vulcan, and apart from Linda Park probably came off best acting-wise. The gel decontamination scene was gratuitous - “let’s show off a few of the shows assets!”

Linda Park was fab. Great fledgling character, great performance, everything scared the shit out of her. She’s adopted Uhura’s place in this series, but is capable of doing a lot more with it. I really like the fact that they have a linguist: I thought Darmok was one of the best episodes of TNG, because the universal translators can really tread on fresh story possibilities. My favourite lines:

Archer: “Tell him (the Klingon) to shut up!”

Sato: “SHUT UP!”

The Suliban are good villains for once. I get the impression that the person in the temporal chamber is human, although I’ve nothing to base that on besides years of honed Trek intuition. In a fanboy centric world he’d be from Section 31, but I don’t think this is gonna happen, is it?

The effects ranged from excellent to really dire. Trek as usual, then. The thing that really stood out was the extensive range of locations, and the variety of ways in which they were shot and lit. I hope it won’t descend into rock world hell from the third episode in. The shots in the space station were very effective, with a Cantina bar style scene, and some neat role reversals with the Enterprise crew being naive, amazed and frightened when confronted by the range of other species.

I’ll definitely be watching next week. It’s nice to know that Trek can still be exciting after so many years, particularly when you consider that most “franchises” (shit like the X-Files) run out of steam in the first few series. I’ve heard a lot of good things about the new movie, too.
 
 
Ganesh
10:13 / 08.01.02
Okay, I didn't watch it but... "the Suliban"?! Do they have weird turban-shaped heads or beard-like facial extensions or what?
 
 
Rev. Wright
12:39 / 08.01.02
Eroticised Monkeys in Space.
Enterprise ranges from Softcore centrefold porn to B-movie Space Western.
Sub Bon Jovi theme tune was such a turn off.

I'm sure it will be popular, but its now more of a Babylon 5 clone. I not convinced personally.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
12:37 / 09.01.02
Read a pretty good review which made the point that the technology level of 'Enterprise' isn't that far below TOS so technological innovation isn't really going to happen over the next six years. And you can get from Earth to the Klingon homeworld in a couple of days at Warp 4? Still, it wasn't utterly awful. Good to see they broke with tradition and didn't have an English character who was fey, drinks tea, seems awkward around displays of obvious sexual titilation and they are considering making gay sometime in the near future...

Oh wait, they did.
 
 
Laughing
14:12 / 09.01.02
The first time I heard that god awful theme song I shook my head sadly and silently wept for humanity.

But now....

I fucking love it! No apologies. Learn to appreciate good cheese, people.
 
 
Knight's Move
17:01 / 09.01.02
I've been watching it courtesy of a friend's computer and >sigh< I too have been impressed. Even the potentially cheesy S


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meet new race, get pregnant, save new race from Klingons, first man pregnant? Episode was fun. It could have been all Voyager hold hands "Do you think people of two different spoecies can find love? Simper Simper" crap but it was ok. I like the fact that Klingons just wanted to blow them all up, real hardarse Klingons. The manipulative Vulcans no one likes ("A Vulcan Science Officer? Are you mad?").
The temporal cold war seems fun, particuarly as we have been given bad guys who are green and scaly and yet in later episodes they might be the good guys and the human looking ones might be the bad guys, or not, who knows. It plays on the prejudices of a crew not used to aliens beyond human looking ones and forces them to consider actions not appearances.
Plus Sam Beckett is suprisingly good with his twin guns and his suffering form Kirk syndrome (Hmmm beautiful alien woman...) but I want him to use that spinning kick every time he gets in a fight...

Problems - a friend of mine says its a shame that older tech looks a lot better in this than the (supposedly later) original because of the advance of special effects but taht's just niggling. Oh and that FUCKING tune - I've heard a rumour it's Rod Stewart 'Faith of the Heart' Confirm/deny? Anyone?

Oh yeah and guesses on whether T'Paul will end up with Archer or Tucker now please.
 
 
pantone 292
09:09 / 12.01.02
Where-are-the-Thermians?
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
09:09 / 12.01.02
So what the fuck just happened to the Tali.. Sulibans that they don't appear in the other series? Time travel mishap? Death caused by bone degenaration? This 'villain from the future' plot can be a mess if not played right. Sticjing with the awe of space exploration is where the fun is.

The producers are really dumb on the prequel issue. They just had to watch 'The Cage' (the pilot without Kirk) and the original series' first year and make the tech less advanced than that.

And as for the gay subject, what about Data? Or Wesley Crusher?
 
 
Seth
09:09 / 12.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Vortex09:
So what the fuck just happened to the Tali.. Sulibans that they don't appear in the other series? Time travel mishap? Death caused by bone degenaration? This 'villain from the future' plot can be a mess if not played right. Sticjing with the awe of space exploration is where the fun is.


To begin with, the producers are not too concerned with continuity. Otherwise Voyager wouldn't have pissed on Borg history. And they also changed when the Eugenics wars took place for the sake of First Contact (technically we should be fighting them right now. I wish the producers had grown a pair and just done a divergent timeline).

Secondly, that's the whole point of the series - to be a simultaneous prequel and sequel. One of the things that gives the show an edge (that would be lacking if it were just mapping existing Trek history - see Star Wars 1-3) is the sense that over four hundred hours of televised continuity is at stake.

Thirdly, Trek has done a lot of recent work to establish a secret history. When you bear in mind exactly how much has gone on in world history that we don't know about (I mean major events), it shows a nice handling of the Trekverse to be able to say "There's tons we haven't shown you yet." See the episodes of DS9 that deal with Section 31 - if anything, I hope that the temporal crisis in Enterprise is what makes the fledgling Federation install S31 into the charter.

Put it this way: there's massive precedent for sworn secrecy when it comes to time travel - the characters from later series just may not even know about what occured. I mean shit, Kira didn't know who Kirk was!
 
 
dawntreader
09:09 / 12.01.02
do you think they'll touh on the the whole Klingons looking completely diiferent thing?

((firstly and again I must apologise if this doesn't make sense.. I'm very drunk))

secondly I'd like to add a big hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


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Seth
09:09 / 12.01.02
Their rationale was "If they'd had the budget, Klingons would always have looked like this."
 
 
Ganesh
09:09 / 12.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Vortex09:
And as for the gay subject, what about Data? Or Wesley Crusher?


Puh-leeease reassure me you're joking. Servile nerdiness and utter lack of apparent sexual attraction do not "gay" make...
 
 
Cat Chant
09:09 / 12.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Vortex09:
And as for the gay subject, what about Data? Or Wesley Crusher?


Garak: deliberately 'gayed up' by the actor, who believes he's gay, I've been told. Also clearly doing it with Bashir ("having lunch" obviously means "fucking like bunnies" in forty-second century Palare - or whenever the hell it is).

Paris & Kim are also obviously doing it in Voyager, signalled via traditional homosocial dynamic of pulling holodeck birds together. (Also their habit of going onto the holodeck into incredibly camp b/w sci-fi adventures. Together.)

Seven of Nine as well, though I'm still not convinced she's actually doing it with Janeway.

Data, however, no. I reserve judgement on Wesley Crusher since the only gay thing I can remember him doing is drooling on an injured Jean-Luc, and that just proves that he's sentient.
 
 
Ganesh
10:44 / 12.01.02
Isn't this "slash" rather than "gay"...?
 
 
Seth
10:54 / 12.01.02
I'll confirm that for you, Deva. Andrew Robinson definitely wanted to make Garak's sexuality ambiguous. He also never pounced on Ziyal when she was all over him.

Garak rules. Garak rules even more than Spike. Deva: did you know that Robinson wrote a Trek book about his character?

(AlternaKira was bi. And Dax, although that was more of a past life thing)
 
 
Ganesh
11:01 / 12.01.02
Wasn't that more of a "completely unexpressed" thing?
 
 
Seth
13:20 / 12.01.02
She got off with the partner of one of her former "hosts" (joined species, symbiotic thing), only she'd been placed in a female body since that relationship.
 
 
Seth
04:18 / 15.01.02
Who saw last night's episode?

I'm starting to really get into this. The characters are great, and embarrassingly I'm starting to like the theme. Pity about the American high school sports movie ending, but you can't have everything.

AND I'M IN LOVE WITH LINDA PARK.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
10:16 / 16.01.02
saw last night's and thought it was getting worse, apart from the well gruesome aliens-on-butcher-hooks bit. theme tune continues to grate.

Hoshi is a whiny pain in the archer.
Dr Phlox is Neelix in a fat suit.
"Trip" and Mayweather are at least pleasant on the eye.

& the promise of Star Trek: The Soft Porn Movie in the opener was not borne out.

all the male actors have very odd noses.

I did like the cowardly torpedoes which got within feet of the target then went into their dance.

but then DS9 and Voyager were undoubtedly slow burns to begin with, and in the case of Voyager seldom came up to the boil at all.

there is so little depth to these Trek epilogues, in comparison with the marvellous darkness of Farscape.
 
 
uncle retrospective
10:28 / 16.01.02
quote:Originally posted by ZoCher:
there is so little depth to these Trek epilogues, in comparison with the marvellous darkness of Farscape.


Yea but nothing is as fucked up as farscape which contuinues to become more deranged by the week. Enterprise is a Trek franchise and will probaably never rise above that. But we can hope.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
10:56 / 16.01.02
quote:Originally posted by expressionless:
She got off with the partner of one of her former "hosts" (joined species, symbiotic thing), only she'd been placed in a female body since that relationship.


Yes, but didn't the DS9 press office put out a statement to go with that episode emphasising that Dax WAS NOT gay, it was just their slugs used to be married.

And thanks to whoever it was at Kokky's birthday Barbemeet who explained to me the context of the Kirk/Uhuru kiss in TOS...
 
 
Seth
17:36 / 16.01.02
I've never seen Voyager come to the boil.

"Getting worse?" Don't we need a few more episodes before we can establish a trend?

I heard that about Rejoined. Regardless, the episode is stil about relational/sexual taboo, and as such came across bizarrely as referencing the issue of prejudice against homosexuality in a typically detatched Trek manner, while also featuring a lesbian kiss. Go figure - why they couldn't have tackled it head on I don't know.

Interesting fact: when Patrick Stewart was in Jeffrey he received hate mail from Trek fans for playing a gay character.

Interesting semi-confirmed rumour: That Roddenberry was gay, and that his marriage to Majel Barrett was for convenience.

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H3ct0r L1m4
03:38 / 17.01.02
--Puh-leeease reassure me you're joking. Servile nerdiness and utter lack of apparent sexual attraction do not "gay" make...--

Totally joking, Ganesh. Sorry if that wasn't clear, mate.

But I'd prefer most of these ST characters were aimed as gay than sport this "lack of apparent sexual attraction". It appears that gays have just disappeared in Trek continuity as time went by. Which reinforces the arument that the Trek universe became more and more insipid.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
03:40 / 17.01.02
--Interesting fact: when Patrick Stewart was in Jeffrey he received hate mail from Trek fans for playing a gay character.--

I wonder if they've sent hate mail too when Stewart was a villain or on a wheelchair or hunted a whale. Trekkers are not always people, you know...
 
 
Mourne Kransky
03:40 / 17.01.02
quote: I've never seen Voyager come to the boil.

latterly, particularly in early season six, it improved a bit, I thought. then lost it, again.

I liked "Night" where Janeway gets depressed and hides in her room. and she did a mean Sigourney Weaver impersonation, stripped to skimpies and smeared in grease, with a big, big gun, as she single-handedly eradicated the invading alien macroviruses in an earlier episode.

it's an achievement, however, to be able to pull a fourth rabbit out of the same hat. I like the way nothing works properly and you get a feeling that they might take some risks with the format, once the dramatic bases are embodied. hope so. there's definitely more humour in it and a more sexy feel. Scott Bakula looks good in his blue undies.

at least there's no bloody Kes.
 
 
I, Libertine
13:03 / 17.01.02
I saw last night's Enterprise episode...

I was sitting there for the first 15 minutes saying "Boring!" to the TV, and just as I picked up the remote...

[spoiler?]

...the malevolent alien ship returns, and Archer walks onto the bridge saying, "Guess we aren't so uninteresting after all!!" Eh, I thought, only moderately true.
 
 
hanabius yamamura
22:18 / 09.04.02

having started a thread , then redirected to this one ... a belated post ... but , having watched enterprise ( incl. 'the andorian incident' complete with groovy moving antennae and jeffrey coombs and ? 'silent enemy' when they discover their weapons are really shit )... i think it has improved immensely ... any thoughts ?
 
 
hanabius yamamura
22:19 / 09.04.02
ps it has to be said , as a trek fan , voyager was truly bad...
 
 
Saint Keggers
03:02 / 10.04.02
This show is horrid.
Scott Bakula is Horrid. He has the Harrison Ford problem. Every second look he has is the "befudled old guy look". Just smack him and torpedo him into the sun!
The Vulcan I like.
The Brit guy he shows some promise.
The American (Texan?) guy is just soooo damn annoying. He too should get the same treatment as the Captain. Whoosh! Into the sun..Poof!
The oriental...(I think they stuck her in there to be an Aki Ross.)
The Doctor...DIE DIE DIE!! He is useless!!! Someone said it before..Neelix in a fat suit.
So far the one I like the best is the stupid dog. He's got his role down perfectly.

and I hate the ship.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
10:06 / 10.04.02
The PR:'It's set closer to our time, so the people are more like us!'

The Reality:The characters seem based on the early astronauts from the 60s, who were to a man boring white bread twats.

The PR:' Their technology isn't as good, so they face more problems...'

The Reality: Big deal. In the previous series if they ever wanted them to be unable to use their technology they'd have some kind of electrical problem or warp in reality or something. 'We can't get a lock, captain'. Same old same old.

The PR:' Scott Bakula!'

The Reality: Sam Beckett was cool. Jonathan Archer is as cool as the other famous J Archer.

Enterprise is pure, untainted,' gosh sucks ain't humanity great' corn.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
12:46 / 10.04.02
I'm actually quite enjoying it, except for the title sequence and the fact that every fifth week the plot revolves around T'Pau or whatever her name is being told she has to leave the ship and then deciding she's not going to go. But their actions have had consequences, which is novel. It's about as good as early episodes of DS9, much better than most of Voyager.
 
 
grant
13:48 / 10.04.02
You guys in Britain seem to be about two or three weeks behind the US, which makes little sense.
There are a few good shows coming up - writers who actually understand *story*. The one with the Enterprise gang meeting an alien hunting expedition out to bag some shapeshifting predators during a four-day season, that one's a great story. Beginning. Middle. End.

Kegboy:The American (Texan?) guy is just soooo damn annoying. He too should get the same treatment as the Captain. Whoosh! Into the sun..Poof!

He's from Panama City, Florida. And he *rocks*. Just a little.
The Vulcan, however, bugs me. She doesn't seem emotionless, she seems... angry. All the time.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
13:56 / 10.04.02
thems song is by some Steinman wannabe twat with no talent at all.
ahh, steinman.
If only they had used Sister of Mercy "Temple of Love" or even bonnie tylers "Total Eclipse of the Heart" techno vibe for the intro

that would gay up the show a bit eh?
 
 
Seth
20:07 / 17.06.02
OK, we're an episode away from the first season's finale in the UK, and I have to nail my colours to the mast and say I've thoroughly enjoyed the first season. So far it's nearly equalled DS9's first season, more consistent but without those moments of sheer genius ( Emissary, Duet, In the Hands of the Prophets). And for me to even think of comparing it to a show that still sends me into daft fanboy ecstacy is something indeed.

They really seem to have taken the best elements from DS9 and the original series (although it remains to be seen whether they have the guts to fuck with the franchise like they did with DS9). Aliens that are truly alien (Vox Sola). No freakin' anomaly of the week. The ever present Trek time-travel has been worked into the story as an ongoing arc, and one that's been very gently handled at that. It reminds me of DS9's first season, playfully episodic while doing a lot of work to establish arcs that will go on through out the series (which gives the writers a chance to find which elements work and which don't).

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I'm really looking forward to Shockwave. It seems to be the first major step in this series standing on its own two feet, with its Army of Darkness ending, Starfleet Headquarters in ruins nine hundred years into the future. I'm glad they've made Daniels a recurring character, as it seemed such a shame to kill him after such a great introduction (I'd like to see him become this series' Garak). And I want to know exactly what's left inside his locked quarters.

I've been very interested in how they've handled the Vulcans, and here again there are DS9 parallels. All other Trek series suffered from having one stock footage personality per alien race - DS9 gave us extremely well characterised Cardassians, Klingons and Bajorans, amongst others. Here we have T'Pol, a Vulcan who displays arrogance, humour, affection and vulnerability while maintaining her stony face throughout (Blalock is superb in the role). Soval has appeared too infrequently to judge, but the ambassador from a couple of weeks back was particularly intriguing, especially considering the Vulcan customs that the show has established. She seemed much more ready to take other races on their merits, to adapt to each new situation than most we've seen.

There are three ongoing arcs; the birth of the Federation; the tension between the Vulcans and the Andorians (yay Jeff Combs!); and the temporal cold war. None of these are even slightly resolved at the end of season one, and there are already rumours that some well known Trek characters may be appearing in season two. It's time to remove the question mark from the thread title.
 
 
Seth
11:59 / 08.01.03
Yay! Shockwave is probably the best Trek two-parter since Image in the Sand/Shadows and Symbols. There were so many great moments in the second hour; Archer's hilarious gung-ho dialogue ("I just can't figure out what your're trying to say," "I said you're an ugly bastard!" and "I still don't believe in time travel," "The hell you don't" being most notable); Reed getting the shit kicked out of him, mirrored with T'Pol's interrogation/torture; some superb special effects (several notches above last season); and of course, Hoshi Sato, the love of my life, crawling around access tubes getting grubby and sweaty, then appearing topless. Ahh...

They're going to have to attempt to pin down the future tech at some point. It's acceptable that it works like magic because it's so far advanced from anything we've seen in Trek before, but it could really start to grate. And I love the fact that the ending is left so open: Archer is returned, but we'll have to wait a long time before we see what effect that's had on the timeline.

More please!
 
  

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