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12:21 / 21.03.02

So why are so many of us prejudiced against posh people. Is it completely unjustified?

12:32 / 21.03.02

and to take the tread more in the direction of SF geekery

Surely kenobi was mocking his former pupil- ie

"you can't win, 'Darth' " is the equivelent of saying to Geoffrey archer "you can't win, 'your lordship' " to Geoffry Archer

12:44 / 21.03.02

Nice comparison, sleazenation...

12:45 / 21.03.02

quote:Originally posted by Buk:
So why are so many of us prejudiced against posh people. Is it completely unjustified?

Hmmm...
If you were to go the hardcore line and argue for centuries of exploitation leading to their position on top of the ladder, then as long as you come from somewhere underneath, it's probably justifiable.

However, it may be sliding into the points made in the 'why clever people can't be racist' thread, but I'd expect fellow Barbelites to be the sort that make judgements on the basis of the individual rather than their circumstances.

For example, I know a chap called Miles, who lives in a rather large house which shares the same name of the village it's in. His Dad was a colonel and he's an officer in the greenjackets.

On the basis of that info, I should dislike him. But he's a lovely bloke.

At the same time, I've met some posh people who are complete pricks.

Shite - I had to go do something while typing this and now I've forgotten where I was going. Sorry.

13:17 / 21.03.02

In no particular order:
Skinheads (until I actually get to know wheter they are racist fucks or decent people)
Cokeheads
Pushy political anarchist vegans

13:20 / 21.03.02

Um, sounds like most people here...

13:37 / 21.03.02

Maybe I should have elaborated a bit:
The skinheads thing goes back a few years to a bunch of Nazi cider drinking pure excuses for humanity that I had a few run ins with when I was a student so anyone with no hair and bomber jackets. Its more a sort of phobia than anything else, I do have a good friend who's a skinhead but I never learned to tell the difference apart from speaking to them.
And vegans who graffiti "meat is murder" and will completely jump down your throat and have absolutely no understanding of anybody elses opinion. They are way too fucking easy to wind up IRL.

13:39 / 21.03.02

What do you mean!? I don't... oh, the baldness. Yes, it does look a little... sorry.

I figured if drzener had added 'media types' to that list, it would probably have got everyone. Then I figured the media types here probably all fall into at least one of those categories.

The Return Of Rothkoid

13:57 / 21.03.02

quote:Originally posted by mr y:
I figured if drzener had added 'media types' to that list, it would probably have got everyone.See, but you didn't really need to add media types, 'cos most of us loathe our profession, too. So it's already taken care of!

13:57 / 21.03.02

People with cell phones. I walk/drive around and I see people driving these "cars" that are being held together with duct tape and bubble gum and they're talking into cell phones. The majority of the people here have no need/use for cell phones. Its not like they have a job that requires one. For god's sake most of them work at McDonald's. The mind boggles. Why do these people need cell phones?

Everytime I see these people, I have to fight down an irrational urge to grab the offending phone, jump up and down on it while screaming "You don't need this damned thing! You're life is pathetic! Nobody wants to hear about how Billy Joe stuck his penis in your ear!"

Luckily, I have a great deal of self-control and this has never happened.

14:25 / 21.03.02

1. Cell phone users who are obviously just using the phone as a status symbol rather than a pratical tool...which is pretty much everyone. Especially the ones with the tune-ringers. I feel like jamming it into their peloric sphincter.

2. Anyone who's sub-culture is the entirity of their personality. It used to just be a predjudice against blandly trendy people (in my mind their own sub-culture), but then I came to U of C, and found out that being socially disenfranchised and subaltern doesn't mean you're not a snotty elitist prick...for some reason, around here the "punks" are the absolute worst. Total subaltern-snobs. Disgusting, really. I mourn for the larger punk hypercontext.

3. One-note ideogogues of all creeds. If your brain can only contain one thought system, and has had the "healthy doubt" regions scoured out, bugger off. Personally, being experienced with the American South and the USSR, Christian Conservatives and Marxist-Leninists are the worst.

4. Anyone discussing politics who earnestly makes the statements "The end justifies the means" or "You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs."
As an unholy mating of Ashkenazim and Kalderash, most of my maternal lineage were the "eggs" that got cracked, first in Nazi concentration camps, then in the Soviet Gulag.

14:39 / 21.03.02

By Trijhaos: quote:. For god's sake most of them work at McDonald's. The mind boggles. Why do these people need cell phones?
So it's a world tendency, then... I sympathize with your pain, Trijhaos...

Oh, little story coming, little story coming:

It happened during the mandate of President Collor de Mello (who was impeached, ten years ago more or less).

One guy from his staff, really important in the hierarchy, was talking in the cell phone during a gala dinner with some important politics from Argentina. It was the beginning of the cell phone boom, and every little amoeba in an Armani suit had one (remember the first models, those big black bricks?).
Then the guy finishes his conversation (and of course he was talking really loud, disrupting the dinner), he puts the phone upon the table, *aside his dish*, and says, with his best blasè expression:
"What is technology nowadays, huh?"

To which the pissed off Argentinan President replied : "In Buenos Aires every whore has got one, so they can schedule their dates, son. Now keep it down".

Made me smile for awhile...

15:09 / 21.03.02

Hell is other people.

Apart from the ones I know and like.

15:33 / 21.03.02

here goes;

1. Foremost prejudice - anyone who shares any of the characteristic's traditionally associated with the "jock" or "lad": This includes rugby player-like build, shortback & sides, football/rugby shirt, beastly caveman laugh, big fat hands, copies of FHM, baseball caps ... well, I'm sure you get the idea...

2."Bourgeois Parents" - you know the kind - spend hours preparing meals that look like flower beds and taste like shit, read (or pretend to read) classily packaged but actually completely crap books about how cute peasants in the South of France are, pretend to still have 'hip' music taste by listening to the most insipid, heavily marketed post-trip-hop chillout bollocks available, spend enough on wine and fake ethnic ornaments to pay my rent and then constantly complain that they're short of money .. christ, I could go on all day .. best stop before someone gets hurt..

15:36 / 21.03.02

Oh yeah, forgot -

Fat, sweaty bald men who go to see bands just so they can spoil it for everyone else by 'moshing' (eg, hurling themselves at each other in a violent fashion before bouncing back and collapsing on top of a 15 year old girl) at inappropriate moments.

Goodness Gracious Meme

19:56 / 21.03.02

god. this is *too* easy, and in my case, not very original. but fun, nonethless.

Totally and utterly have the 'posh' thing. And again, I'd say I'm trying to kick it. But then I would. Actually (very drunkenly, in my defence) slapped a friend who, a couple of months ago, accused (yep) me of being posh.

See, I'm plebian enough to think sounding middle class is posh. Byt I know i have that 'inverse (?) snobbery) thing down pat, it's horribly instinctive.

People who are sure of themselves. Doesn't matter if they've got good cause to be or not, my jealousy makes me hate and pahologise them in order to retain own self-respect.

Quiet people. Make me feel massively self-conscious and uncomfortable. If we're not dining a deux in a really quiet spot, can't hear a word they're saying and end up either nodding and smiling or feeling incredibly rude when asking them for the nth time what the hell they're talking about.

East Anglians. Sorry. Loathe the accent.

ONLY NICE THINGS

09:52 / 22.03.02

And here's me a quiet boy with a "middle-class accent" who grew up in East Bergholt. Thak God for my low self-esteem or Plumsbitch would probably have gone at my eyeballs with an apple corer in the King's Head two years ago...

Murray Hamhandler

09:52 / 22.03.02

quote:Originally posted by [monkey - greatest sage of all]:
2. Anyone who's sub-culture is the entirity of their personality. ...I came to U of C, and found out that being socially disenfranchised and subaltern doesn't mean you're not a snotty elitist prick.

AGREED. Although I do enjoy the site, the folks who write for Pitchfork come immediately to mind. And far, far too many people that I meet on a day to day basis.
Arthur Sudnam, II

[ 22-03-2002: Message edited by: Arthur Sudnam ]

09:52 / 22.03.02

i get quite nervous around old people. i'm not proud of it, it just happens.

09:52 / 22.03.02

quote:Originally posted by Rizla Year Zero:
"Bourgeois Parents" - you know the kind - spend hours preparing meals that look like flower beds and taste like shit, read (or pretend to read) classily packaged but actually completely crap books about how cute peasants in the South of France are, pretend to still have 'hip' music taste by listening to the most insipid, heavily marketed post-trip-hop chillout bollocks available, spend enough on wine and fake ethnic ornaments to pay my rent and then constantly complain that they're short of money .. christ, I could go on all day .. best stop before someone gets hurt..

You'll be old yourself, one day.

09:52 / 22.03.02

quote:Originally posted by Lick my plums, bitch.:
See, I'm plebian enough to think sounding middle class is posh.

Um, by this, you must be secretly and hideously prejudiced (in an evil fashion) against practically everyone on the board...

My turn: I have a secret evil hideous prejudice against people who categorise me as 'posh' because of my (RP but not exactly plummy) accent. Stems from a dreadful holiday I had when I was about ten, during which I was ostracised by the other girls apparently purely because of my accent; they called me 'posho' and wouldn't let me eat lunch with them, etc. I say it must have been becasue of my accent because we all lived on the same suburban housing estate...

What is 'sounding middle class' anyway? Is it a kind of shorthand for "South-Eastern white English 'educated'"?

Uh, sorry, edited becasue it looked as if I was taking a swipe at Plums, when it was aimed at everyone in this thread who has owned to a prejudice against 'posh' people...

[ 22-03-2002: Message edited by: Kit-Cat Club ]

09:52 / 22.03.02

You're quite right, Kit-Cat Club, it's crap and unfair to dislike people because of how they speak. Though I'd say it's more that I get nervous around people who seem very 'posh' than that I dislike them - and it's entirely my own problem, not theirs!
Bizarrely, I was bullied for being 'snobby' at school - there are degrees of these things and my home town must be the only place I'd count as talking posh!

09:52 / 22.03.02

Well, it wasn't really fair of me to get riled, because after all this is a thread about owning up to irrational or secret prejudices of which one is mildly ashamed... is 'posh' worse than 'smelly'?

Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?

09:52 / 22.03.02

(oh, never mind)

[ 22-03-2002: Message edited by: The Haus that shot Liberty Valance ]

09:52 / 22.03.02

Can I just reserve a special circle in Inferno here for people who wear white socks (unless engaged in sport).

Hell, let's have a special circle for people who engage in sport...

In fact, people who watch sport (except for lycra related voyeuristic reasons) on tv or listen to it on the radio - straight in Room 101.

Edited on account of obsessive pedantry.

[ 22-03-2002: Message edited by: ZoCher ]

Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?

09:52 / 22.03.02

One of the joys of the 21st century is that one can now buy black sports socks.

09:52 / 22.03.02

I like wearing white socks - in a deliberately geeky, uncool way.

09:52 / 22.03.02

quote:Originally posted by ZoCher:

In fact, people who watch sport (except for lycra related voyeuristic resons) on tv

Methinks I have spotted someone who watches the Tour De France...

And Haus is right about black sports socks. The world's most comfortable socks ever are the thick black Ozzo cycling socks. Bliss...

09:52 / 22.03.02

people with big asses. specially if they're in the same bus I am. specially if they're smelly. but first and foremost, people with big asses.

09:52 / 22.03.02

body fascists

09:52 / 22.03.02

no way. if I'm wearing a backpack and try to make my way out of the bus, their big asses won't let me move an inch forward, i have to squeeze between those purple sweaty mountains to finally get out of the bus.

(mmm... perhaps PWBA hate people with backpacks, now that I think about it...)

09:52 / 22.03.02

You've just reminded me of how I sometimes think uncharitable thoughts about teenagers who have little appreciation of how much space they take up - or of the danger they can pose to others near them - as they walk and swing around in crowded places with those enormous heavy school bags on their backs.

The Return Of Rothkoid

09:52 / 22.03.02

quote:Originally posted by Rizla Year Zero:
This includes rugby player-like buildI'll get me coat.

[mutters]
You scrawny indie-kid streak-of-piss bastard...
[/mutters]

Oh. And black-shoes-with-white-socks combinations. Just. Don't.

09:52 / 22.03.02

quote:Originally posted by Cholister:
body fascists

I wasn't calling *you* a body fascist...just keeping with the theme of the thread and stating that I hate body fascism. Your guilty conscience did the rest, methinks.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

10:19 / 22.03.02

quote:Originally posted by The Return Of Rothkoid:
Oh. And black-shoes-with-white-socks combinations. Just. Don't.

What if the socks were ankle-high and all soft and lacey, and the black shoes were patent-leather stilletos?

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