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The Ultimate Ultimates???

 
  

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The Natural Way
10:46 / 07.05.02
I don't think Cam cares about whether or not Millar is intentionally taking it slow - Mr. Stewart just doesn't think superhero comics should be slow cos they're for kids and not for fatbeard adults who refuse to grow up and are ruining the medium...................etc.
 
 
CameronStewart
12:52 / 07.05.02
I'm not saying this comic is boring for kids - I'm saying this comic is boring ME. And it's not that I'm some Johnny Lowbrow who just wants to see stuff blow up - someone explain to me the point of having three whole pages of the characters chatting about who'd play them in the film (first person to say "it's characterization, man" gets a kick in the chin - cos it's NOT).

But yeah, I can't help but go back to what was originally stated as the primary goal of the Ultimate line - doing "clean reboots" of established characters to free them from the weight of continuity and draw in new readers. NEW readers - kids, adults, whatever. Now, most of us here are very likely conditioned from a young age to go buy and read comics every week (I know I am), so we can possibly understand and forgive that Millar is "building to something," but I don't know how many people who *don't* have those ingrained reading habits are going to be willing to wait for 5 monthly installments to go by (at several dollars/pounds a pop) until something happens. You say your kid brother loves the book, Runce, but is he BUYING it, or just borrowing yours? Would he actually pay for it? Would your dad? Or your neighbour?

Would Spider-Man have made however many hundreds of million dollars this weekend if it was two hours of quiet character moments? Or do you think that all those people liked seeing Spider-Man do, you know, superheroey things?

If I decided to make Die Hard 4, and took an "innovative" approach and made it a kitchen sink drama about John McClane and his wife coping with the stress on their marriage from John's anti-terrorist adventures, set mostly in their kitchen and possibly in the waiting room of their children's pyschologist - would that be a good movie? Or would it be completely pointless because Die Hard is about Bruce Willis running around with his shirt off shooting a machine gun and blowing up buildings?

Again, I'm not a fight-loving dullard, I'm all for characterization - but in the context of a superhero comic it needs to be tempered with a bit of action, otherwise it's all a bit pointless. I think Ellis and Hitch's Authority managed to have some very strong characters - but if you go back and look, there's *at least* one major action sequence in EVERY ISSUE. They struck a perfect balance, which is why I think it's the best superhero comic in recent memory.

Sigh.

Anyway, to end on a positive note, I still think Hitch is a magnificent artist.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:45 / 07.05.02
Yeah, he buys it. So do his mates.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
14:33 / 07.05.02
Your problem with it, Cameron, seems to be the format, which I would agree with. The format of a 32 page comic doesn't graft well w/the story that Millar's trying to tell. Or w/the stories that a lot of people in the industry are trying to tell. The Ultimates will probably read spectacularly well when it's collected, but to pick up one issue and try to figure out what the point is would be an exercise in futility, I'd think. Would this story have been better suited to an original graphic novel than to the serialized comic format? Hmmm... This thought is spawning more questions than answers.
Arthur Sudnam, II
 
 
The Natural Way
14:56 / 07.05.02
Could remove the problem by simply doubling the size of the comic, p'raps? Don't know how feasible this'd be, but there you go.
 
 
gridley
16:45 / 07.05.02
I think the tension is fantastic. You've got this massive base and all these government programs to create superheroes, all of which cost a fortune, but no supervillans to fight. They're forced to wait for a worthy menace. Hell, I'd love to see them wanting to go after say Dr. Octopus, and being told by their handlers, "No, sorry, Doc Oc is too small for you guys, let that spider kid take care of him."
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
11:06 / 08.05.02
Okay, and maybe it's just me and I'm being a total feeb, but I would so totally honestly see Die Hard 4: The Aftermath. But that's me and in certain ways Cam is right. Example.

A few weeks ago, when PP: Spider-Man (Mahfood/Wells), Megalomaniacal Spider-Man (Bagge) and Black Widow: Pale Little Spider (Greg Horn/Pam Anderson cover) came out, I observed the following conversation:

Middle Aged Man #1: (picks up PP:S-M) See, man. Now what the fuck is this shit?
MAM #2: I know. What the fuck.
MAM #1: (puts PP:S-M back) (Picks up MS-M) And this shit. Right?
MAM #2: Totally.
MAM #1: (Puts MS-M back) (Picks up BW: PLS) Now this is more like it. Right?

And he bought it sight unseen.

There are segments of the comic readership that are just in it for certain things. However, in the Die Hard example, the audience base that is clamoring for an all action Die Hard is much much much larger for the audience base clamoring for all action/t&a superhero books. And that's why the industry has this flexibility we're seeing put into play.

We'll just have to see what sticks to the wall after Spider-Man.

(HAHAHAHAH. I didn't even realize how clever that was till after I wrote it. Boo Ya!)
Benjamin.
 
  

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