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Coming Attractions: NXM 125

 
  

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Lennox The Grey Man
14:20 / 31.01.02
NEW X-MEN #125
Cover By Joe Quesada
Grant Morrison /Igor Kordey

THE SCOOP: “Imperial” Part 4 of 5!

THE STORY: Even as Gladiator and the rest of the Imperial Guard embark upon their Royal directive to eradicate all mutants, Phoenix and the X-Men are struck by a mysterious illness! Cassandra Nova has already brought the star-spanning Shi'ar Imperium to its knees -- and if the X-Men are removed from the picture, than who can stop her?

THE FORMAT: 32 pages, with ads.

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Igor Kordey???
 
 
sleazenation
14:29 / 31.01.02
new regular co-artist
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:25 / 31.01.02
Wait a second, I thought Frank was doing 125, and that it was a double issue...

okay, so it's like this:

121 Frank
122 Ethan
123 Ethan
124 Frank
125 Igor

jeezy creezy... I must say, I do like Ethan more than Igor. Igor is just so....wrong for NXM. I think I remember someone else saying that in spite of his solid skills, his art was too 'ugly' - I would agree. It's not slick enough....

Can't Grant pull in Phillip Bond or Phil Jiminez or even Steve Yeowell?
 
 
Ganesh
20:37 / 31.01.02
Oh dear, we're not embarking on that whole Ethan (crap figures, crap composition) vs Igor (unattractive faces) thing again, are we? If so, then on balance, I'm for Igor...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:49 / 31.01.02
Well, in all fairness, I think both Ethan and Igor are mediocre and inappropriate for the project.

Hm. I wonder what the comic would like is Steve Yeowell did draw it....
 
 
Trijhaos
22:05 / 31.01.02
I'll admit Igor's work doesn't seem right for New X-men, but its alot better than the art in the Cyclops mini-series that just finished up. Good lord, that was horrible horrible art. I do think his work is appropriate for Cable though, its got that whole gritty thing going on.
 
 
The Natural Way
06:59 / 01.02.02
You look at it and you wonder: why can't Marvel see the absolute cockuntishness of the situation.

I mean, surely.....
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
06:59 / 01.02.02
Flux - I think it's actually:

122-FQ
123-EVS
124-EVS
125-IK
126-presumably FQ

I know 'Imperial' has been extended from a four to a five part story, and so I guess the idea is that FQ has to draw the climax... Still, when you add this to the fact that he's not even doing the covers anymore (although I'll be interested to see what fatboy Quesada comes up with), it is all a bit disheartening.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:39 / 01.02.02
Oh, damn...I'm so silly, I did the numbers wrong, thinking that the silent issue was 120.

Yes, that seems right Flyboy...

is it too much to ask for at least three consecutive Quitely issues?

Switching between three completely different art styles in one story will look terrible in trade paperback...

I don't blame Frank Quitely. I think they are doing a poor job working out which issues he does draw, and they need to find more suitable co-artists, people who compliment Frank's style and appeal to the same audience. There's a huge talent pool out there, and this is one of the most prestigious gigs in the industry. Surely they can do better...
 
 
The Natural Way
12:33 / 01.02.02
Flux, get down the Marvel offices, force yr CV on them and esplain to all concerned why you should rule that fucking place.

Please.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
17:07 / 01.02.02
Insofar as the art is concerned...look at the art in any Marvel book in general pre- and post-Quesada. I'm not saying that he's necessarily behind any overall improvement in the art, but the beginning of his tenure is a good marking place for where Marvel art ceased to be generally horrible and became generally...better, at least. Igor and Ethan's work is facking Mona Lisas compared to some of the utter shit art that, along w/the generally abyssmal writing, kept me far, far away from any Marvel book for a long time.
Arthur Sudnam
 
 
Professor Silly
17:13 / 01.02.02
co-artist? according to Wizard 126 (page 27) Quitely has stepped down as regular penciler, because he is "unable to keep up with the rigors of a monthly book." Apparently Kordy will be the new regular penciler

Don't blame the messenger, here.
 
 
kid coagulant
17:14 / 01.02.02
Fucking hell. Maybe Allred could take over for him...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:09 / 01.02.02
Echoing something someone else said last time we went over this, part of the reason I started picking NXM up was because Quitely was doing the art. If this is true, then, well, I'm not even sure I'm particularly interested in this book any more.

Morrison must have had some say in the appointment of Kordey, if not as Quitely's replacement then at least as fill-in artist.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:21 / 01.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Chevy Fenderson:
co-artist? according to Wizard 126 (page 27) Quitely has stepped down as regular penciler, because he is "unable to keep up with the rigors of a monthly book."



Wrong.

Wizard is never a reliable source for much of anything.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:38 / 01.02.02
quote:Powers said if he had to put a label to it, Quitely and Kordey will serve as “co-artists” of the title, as opposed to a regular-regular fill-in relationship.

Shit idea. Then take this into account:

quote:We would however like to figure out a way to get him [Quitely] far enough ahead that he could do an entire arc - but that puts a lot on Grant and he's got a lot more on his plate besides X-Men. So we'll see.

Which leaves us here. No Quitely-only story arcs for the foreseeable future, meaning complete inconsistency in style throughout the series. Result: every time the art changes hands in the space of one arc, the story will suffer.

At least when Jill Thompson was fucking The Invisibles up she wasn't doing it in the middle of someone else's run.

[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: E. Randy Deep Joy ]
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:48 / 01.02.02
It pains me to say it, cos I love the guy's art so much, but maybe Frank really should drop NXM in the interest of keeping it consistent. I think Kordey could actually be a good choice, it's just that in contrast to Frank, he looks bad. Pretty much everybody drawing superhero comics looks really bad next to Frank. I can only imagine a good complimentary co-artist being Art Adams (equally slow) or Bryan Hitch (busy with The Ultimates).
 
 
Professor Silly
20:00 / 01.02.02
so we're still going to see Quitely from time to time...I'm sure that will please his fans (somewhat).

Technically, Wizard wasn't wrong though...FQ has stepped down as regular artist...and into the role of co-artist. Based on the track record so far, this won't be much of a change, as we've had fill-in artists all along.

co-artist? yup, co-artist. hmmm, weird.
 
 
moriarty
20:07 / 01.02.02
It's fucking ridiculous. I don't even read the damn comic and it pisses me off. How is it that a company can actually believe that a man who has been in the business for years, and whose pacing is obviously something they knew going into this, can keep up with the schedule they gave him? Didn't they see this coming? Reminds me of when Travis Charest (sic) was drawing WILDCATS. Fell apart in half a year.

Trying to cram an artist who is blatantly unable to meet monthly or bi-monthly deadlines into a regular title is idiotic.
 
 
moriarty
02:28 / 02.02.02
On a slightly off topic note, it has been announced that a third artist will be finishing off Millar's last story arc for the Authority. That makes Quitely (one issue), Adams (two issues) and New Guy (one issue) all on a story arc that only took almost a year and a half to produce.

Brilliant.
 
 
Haus Of Pain
07:50 / 02.02.02
**Hindermate slots bullets into the chamber and flips it shut, then heads out to the DC offices**
 
 
sleazenation
07:50 / 02.02.02
The rumour is that Adams work (which was of his usual high standards in quality and detail) was repeatedly messed around by editorial interference - page upon page required tweaking and redrawing. Makes you wonder why the editors couldn't have tweaked the script BEFORE the got adams to start drawing it...
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
16:21 / 03.02.02
Jill Thompson screwing Invisibles up is an unanimous opinion? Because I liked her work very much then.

I know Quitely's Authority schedule was tight because not only he's slow but Millar also turned the scripts in too late. That's why they got into all those problems when Quitely quit WildStorm for NXM. They had no window.

But even so, Quitely was able to put out a rather steady production for Authority. Don't know why he can't do the same with NXM. In this case you can't blame Morrison, because he's not missing deadlines as far as I've heard.

Or everybody involved gets this solved quickly with a better option than 'two regulars for a book' (as if this was a bold editorial decision) or both the book and the artist will suffer professionally.
 
 
bio k9
17:20 / 03.02.02
I thought Jill Thompsons work was a much better fit on Sandman than it was on the Invisibles.
 
 
Lennox The Grey Man
17:39 / 03.02.02
quote: Jill Thompson screwing Invisibles up is an unanimous opinion? Because I liked her work very much then.

...OR maybe we could blame Dennis Cramer (Thompson's inker in the Invisibles) for ruining Jill's work... ever seen SCARY GODMOTHER? Now dat's a great Thompson work!

l e n n o x
 
 
Lennox The Grey Man
18:03 / 03.02.02
Oh... I'd like to put and end to the Quitely/Kordey mess... Take a look:

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A feature in the most recent issue of Wizard: The Guide To Comics (#126, on sale now) has led to some confusion regarding artist Frank Quitely and his status as regular series penciller of New X-Men.

The feature has given some readers the impression that artist Igor Kordey could be leaving his regular assignment on Cable to take over from Quitely on New X-Men. Senior X-Men editor Mark Powers clarified the situation with X-Fan on Wednesday, saying that "Frank's hard at work on New X-Men #126 even as we speak."

Powers went on to say that Kordey would be taking artist Ethan Van Sciver's slot in the New X-Men art rotation, whilst staying on Cable and his various other upcoming projects.

"Igor and Frank will both be illustrating New X-Men on a regular basis," said Powers of the new roster.

Meanwhile, Van Sciver has moved over to "another X-project" - presumably the previously announced Phoenix X-Men Icons limited series.

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Yer making my head hurt!

l e n n o x
 
 
Ganesh
10:38 / 04.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Bio K9:
I thought Jill Thompsons work was a much better fit on Sandman than it was on the Invisibles.


[reopening old wounds] It'd be an even better fit in the shredder... [/reopening old wounds]
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
10:47 / 04.02.02
It's very simple.

In the Invisibles, girls are there to say "fuck" in a really cool and rebellious fashion, and be sexually available to King Mob.

They are not there to play a part in the creative process.

That is all.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
10:55 / 04.02.02
I really liked her work on the Artists Jam issues. Hated the Arcadia & Things Fall Apart attempts.

Haus, that opinion's got nothing to do with gender. As you well know.
 
 
Ganesh
10:56 / 04.02.02
The artwork was shit.

That was all.
 
 
A
11:02 / 04.02.02
i thought that the art in "Arcadia", Jill Thompson's first Invisibles arc, was really very lousy, but as Lennox said, this could well be Dennis Cramer's fault, i don't know.
However, the art in her second arc, "She-Man" (i think that's what it was called), which she inked herself, was great.
Apparently Sales of the Invisibles dropped by two thirds, or three quarters, or something, because of Arcadia, and while admittedly the story was perhaps not quite what a lot of people were expecting, i think that the art probably had more to do with it.
So, arguably the finest comic of the nineties may have been almost cancelled because it had the wrong inker.

Yikes, this is quite the case of threadrot.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
11:06 / 04.02.02
Indeed. Back to Kordey/van Scriber/Quitely.

If Quitely simply cannot do more than about one issue in three, migh tiut not be better to drop him in the interests of continuity - it will make the trade paperbacks look terrible...

And if that does happen - who is our ideal artist pick for New X-Men? And what if Art Adams and Bryan Hitch are busy?

I'd suggest Phil Bond, because it would be really funny, Steve Parkhouse for the same reason...possibly Duncan Fegredo or Richard Case could have a fair crack...
 
 
Ganesh
11:12 / 04.02.02
Yeah, Bond would be nice, as would Glyn Dillon (was that his name? the vaguely Bond-ish guy who did some of 'Shade'?) Or even ol' Cameron Stewart.

Funny, the artists I know think of as 'appropriate' for NXM are the more (for want of a better word) 'cartoony' ones - y'know, clean lines, etc. I guess I've unconsciously linked NXM with Quitely...
 
 
The Natural Way
11:26 / 04.02.02
Agreed.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:44 / 04.02.02
If I was the editor, and could choose anyone, I would go for Phillip Bond too, mostly cos he's my current favorite penciller. I'd likely go with Richard Case as a fill-in artist...

Good taste, Haus. Fregredo's damn good too.

God, if the fanboys hate Quitely, I can't imagine how much they'd despise Bond...
 
  

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