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Dark Knight Strikes Again!!! (SPOILERS)

 
  

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Haus Of Pain
08:29 / 09.02.02
quote: No, DK2 won't change your life- but hell it was nice and shiny and it's a kick in the pants to see superheroes taking on the *real* evil in the world.

You... you mean like evil corporations and conspiracies led by Lex Luther and Braniac .

Come on, DK2 is spastically unsophisticated.
 
 
fluid_state
17:45 / 09.02.02
I really liked the first one.

boy, does the second one blow. "The earth moved", my ass.
 
 
fluid_state
17:51 / 09.02.02
Although...

I liked what he did with the manhunter. it was a lousy haracterization, but it was... interesting. J'onn's always been a little inspired by the hard-drinking, hard-boiled detective; this was the 100 Bullets version of him. The Question? not bad. (and yeah, Rorshach was based on his incarnation as a Charlton comics character). The batmobile looks awesome. I liked Brainiac's city-wide frog-body.

The pacing of the story is near-spastic. Half the art sucks, and the good panels have no background. The Superchix and three pages of parahuman copulation were just retarded.
 
 
01
09:31 / 11.02.02
#2.

Art: Shitty.
Story: Shitty.

Kingdom Come was awesome so fuck you.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
09:31 / 11.02.02
What's that? Why do I come to the Barbelith Underground?

Why, for the reasoned debate and intelligent commentary, of course.
 
 
01
09:31 / 11.02.02
reasoned debate: shitty
intellectual commentary: shitty

Kingdom Come was awesome so fuck you.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
09:31 / 11.02.02
Way to break the stereotype of the comic geek there, 01.
 
 
bio k9
09:31 / 11.02.02
BaRBeliTH FaQ N RLZ!!!
10/10!

Can we go back to being Barbelith now?

Jesus.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:35 / 11.02.02
Heh, as far as I can tell in 'real' Barbelith Haus would use words that are longer and clever than 'shitty'... And you all smell of wee anyway.
 
 
01
15:14 / 11.02.02
Haus using words that are longer and more clever than shitty: shitty.
 
 
bitchiekittie
15:25 / 11.02.02
quote:Originally posted by E. Randy Dupre:
Way to break the stereotype of the comic geek there, 01.


someone has be the sterotype, I suppose
 
 
moriarty
16:31 / 11.02.02
Fuck. I thought I was the stereotype.

Sorry to rot the thread, but, concerning DK motherfucking 2...

I only read the first issue, back when I was still living with Krew and he would buy all the stuff I wouldn't touch. This explains why I no longer comment on the X-Men, Eightball or any of Ellis' work.

I hated DK2 the book, but I'm loving the furor over it. I've been wondering if marketing it as a three parter wasn't an intentional way to get people to buy the whole damn thing. Almost everyone I know who has bought the first issue and hated has gone on to say that they will buy the second issue to see if it gets any better. Almost to a person, they hated the second issue, but feel they must buy the third because what's the point of spending all that cash on two-thirds and not going all the way, piece of garbage or not.

My problem isn't that it is an unnecessary sequel, but that the parts of DK1 that are incorporated into DK2 actually seem to drag the whole thing down. Miller should have gone all out and done a JLA comic, instead of a JLA comic that needs to fill some sort of Dark Knight quota. Batman beating on Superman again? Please...

The thing that irks me the most is that Miller has stated that his intent is to turnaround the damage he did with DK1 by making superheroes fun again. So, instead of spawning an age of grim and gritty comics with a political and social agenda, we can have bright costumes and pop fun. Unfortunately, I don't think Miller reads many current superhero comics. With DK1 he ushered in a new era. With DK2 he's about seven years too late. Millar, Morrison, Waid and many others have made successful attempts at inspiring awe in the power of the Flash, for example, and all of them have succeeded at it better than Miller's lame and cliche use.

And, sorry for coming off all fanboyish here, but the characterization is so far off that he probably should have created all new characters. Superman, being Superman, would not be held in check by Luthor for years. He's Superman. The point of Superman is that he will help us, he will succeed, and he's going to save the day. Even worse than Superman was the portrayal of Wonder Woman. She has been raised in a warrior culture all her life, one that has resisted subjugation to Man for ages. There is no way that Wonder Woman would relent. In a decision between slavery of her people or their death, she would rather they die with honour, never to have been shackled by Man again.

All of this may have been dealt with in a later issue, but I can't be bothered to find out, considering there are so many good books out there worthy of my attention. I've read some pretty convincing defenses of DK2, and there is a good chance that years from now it turns out that I missed the beginning of a new era in superheroes. I guess I'll take my chances on that one.
 
 
moriarty
16:33 / 11.02.02
Double posted to work out a kink in the thread.

[ 11-02-2002: Message edited by: moriarty ]
 
 
01
22:34 / 11.02.02
Prepetuating the stereotype: shitty.
Breaking the stereotype: shitty.
 
 
PatrickMM
01:57 / 29.02.08
I just read DKSA for the first time and absolutely loved it. I had just reread DKR before, and really liked it, but for me, DKSA tops it. It's much less coherent and focused, but I love the torrent of ideas and craziness. To me, it totally succeeds at integrating the wonder of the Silver Age with the grim and grittiness of the 80s.

A work like Tom Strong is ostensibly about recapturing that joy of the Silver Age, but I think we're at the point where you can't just take the darkness out of superhero comics. That's why I love things like Flex Mentallo or Top Ten, which manage to work with the darkness and still find the joy.

DKSA takes the grim and gritty world and explodes a world of Silver Age craziness right on top. It's not an either/or, they co-exist and feed off each other to create something where the wondrous ideas are even more powerful because they come in such a dark world. It baffles me that the work was so hated since, for me, it hits all the things I love about superhero comics. There is a lot of substance there, both political, real world ideas and wacky concepts. It has a lot to say about the power structures in our world and what prevents people from rising up and creating change. The work is a call to revolution, it may not be a coherent or focused revolution, but it's a revolution nonetheless.

And, regardless of the overall scope, it's been a long time since I read a work that entertained me this much on a moment to moment basis. The Batman here is insane, and seems to lose it as the work goes on. It's a casting off of the old order nostalgia, paving the way for a new era of superheroes who create revolutions and don't serve social order. "I was sentimental - back when I was old" indeed.
 
 
alexsheers
15:41 / 07.03.08
I'm just waiting for zerone's response - I love the idea that he's been waiting six years for the thread to be revitalised. Indeed, I'll be disappointed if he doesn't pipe up.

Incidentally, I really liked DK2 2, although the colouring job could have been better.
 
  

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