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yawn - thing's buddy

12:28 / 11.12.01

all stories are the same....

...yawn.

and reality is psycho.etc. - welll argued my son!

The Knowledge +1

16:42 / 11.12.01

09:47 / 12.12.01

I'm confused, which issue is the above from? And shouldn't there be a spoiler warning on it?

09:48 / 12.12.01

. . . .errrrr . . .

I liked it. It wasn't EPIC or anything, but a fun read... dated in parts... the slang, the media interludes... still I liked the introduction of the ATOM... and I didn't mind the "uglyness" it seemed intentional to me...

anyway... carry on!!!

09:53 / 12.12.01

P.S:

09:53 / 12.12.01

Hey Knowledge (I always feel silly calling you that), shouldn't that picture be on your user profile page?

The resistable rise of Reidcourchie

09:53 / 12.12.01

I loved DKR, it's still probaby my favorite graphic novel. When I was about 12 I use to try and write sequels to it, always wondering how things went on from there with the underground bat army.

I was always going to by DK2 and aware that in a continuity based artform, this was going to be a very moviesque sequel and nowhere as near as good as the original. If you try and judge at as a stand alone comic, it's not bad. I don't like the art, don't know if it's good are bad just personal taste. I did like the art in DKR but thought some of it was a bit ropey.

Couple of things. As someone pointed out because it's not fresh and new as DKR was it's going to lose a hell of a lot of the impact and seem jaded. I also got the feeling that Millar was not really trying and that it was a cash in. I did like the retro 80's feel but then I loved the Warriors like feel of the original.

Strangely though it felt like the anti-establishment (Batman vs the government as other than incidental (as it was in the original) was Millar trying to do the Invisibles with batman. Now maybe I've been brainwashed by Morrison and it may be a little unfair to call any comic that tries to deal with these issues Morrisonesque as surely Moore was the first person to bring things like this into mainstream comics?

The thing is this subject matter doesn't gel with the Batman character because he's like Dredd, a "guilty pleasure", he's a facist. Yet at the moment Batman seems to be saying America must adere to the tenets of it's constitution except for me, it's hypocrisy.

Also with Krypton hostage it lets Superman off the hook. I liked the idea that he worked for the man but now he has an excuse for his behaviour. And with Luthor and Brainiac as the villains it's reduced to standard superhero fare, it doesn't have the disturbing air of the antagonists in DKR, instead it offers us a rather hackneyed old conspiracy plot.

I probably make it sound like I dislike it more than I do. I enjoyed it but it was heavily flawed, still it was the first issue. If you don't expect to much of it you probably won't be to dissapointed.

Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?

14:17 / 12.12.01

Sorry. Couldn't resist

yawn - thing's buddy

17:29 / 13.12.01

hmmm. strange. jus saw an alternate cover today.

had 'The Dark Knight Striles Again' emblazoned across the top. And there was only one in the entire shop.

anyone else seen it?

oops. I've given myself away now haven't I.

Well, even worse, I used to be a trainspotter. I'm proud. Crewe is a nice town.

19:03 / 13.12.01

yep... I've got that cover...

it also has the credits as well...

20:30 / 13.12.01

I think most of the problems had with DK2 stem from the fact that we read DKReturns. The minute I opened DK2, and read "WHO WILL SAVE US??" I laughed my ass off, happy that this was not, and would never even try to be, the original. Crudely drawn, rampant recontextualization of characters and antagonists, and all balls to the wall; I loved every page (even the Question's suspiciouslly Dwight-like appearance and shitty colouring)...

it was cheesy, dated, and rough. Wasn't nearly as grim or mean as the first. The characters all lost 20 years and half their body mass. Catgirl confirms my suspicions that FM's started ogling children. And I got a big kick out of the whole thing. I'll get an even bigger kick when DC wises up to the reality that no amount of marketing can polish a turd, even if it's steaming hot.

(the funny thing about the grimness: the totalitarian-america reality seems way less cutting-edge scary the closer we get to it...)

09:15 / 14.12.01

yeah... Prez Rikard seemsss very much like Dubaya!!!

09:15 / 14.12.01

>>>I think most of the problems had with DK2 stem from the fact that we read DKReturns<<<

Ummmm, yeah. The point?

"The problem with this bad comic is that we've already been spoiled by this good one. If we'd never seen the good one we'd never know the difference..."

09:15 / 14.12.01

my point? just that if it had been, say, your name on DK2, people might not be attacking it with such zealousness.

hmmm.... miller would've been better off using a pseudonym. and a different artist. (The Dark Night Strikes Again, by, uhh, Alan Smithee and Mike Mignola? yeah)

09:15 / 14.12.01

actually, that might come off as a put-down. I just mean that by judging this work on the basis of the author's previous works, we gyp ourselves out of some fun. and to my eyes, it's more like

"The problem with this fun comic is that we've already been spoiled by this awesome one. If we'd never seen the awesome one we'd never know the difference..."

just a matter of taste; I guess FM's just not Hungry like he used to be.

09:15 / 14.12.01

After four pages I think you guys have this topic covered pretty well.

For my own amusement, I'll just quickly say.

DK2:

-I hate "DK2". I fucking hate abreviations with numbers in them. "Y2K". Fucking nonsense.

-The script... pretty much what I expected. It remains true to the style of the original but fails to be original.

-The art? Pretty disapointing. I'm a big Frank Millar fan and have been for a couple of decades now. He phoned this in. I don't know if DC gave him a tight deadline or what but it may very well be Miller's worst. At least the worst I've seen.

-The colors? Too much style and not enough quality. The effects seem out of place. Its distracting.

Overall, dissapoined.

09:15 / 14.12.01

-I hate "DK2". I fucking hate abreviations with numbers in them. "Y2K". Fucking nonsense.

Amen. That alone would have been enough to keep me from buying it. Add the price and the crap art to the retarded title and theres no chance in hell I'll buy this thing.

Professor Silly

14:45 / 14.12.01

Going back to one of the original posts, before we devolved to crotch-kicking and pooh-slinging...

quote: I'm kind of amazed that anyone wants to buy it every 6 week, when we all know it will be collected as a trade paperback within weeks of being complete.
That's the sickness of comic collector4s I don't get. The need to buy parts of a story instead of the whole damn thing at once.

The collectibility of this book is fairly non-existant. At Mile High here in Denver, one had to buy five copies in order to get the variant cover version--the print run is just way too high.

So I DIDN'T buy it--bare in mind I liked the original, and I REALLY liked his Batman: Year One. I will wait for the Hard Cover or Trade Paperback...then I'll read it...I might enjoy it...I might not...who cares.

That said, I DID order a signed copy of issue one--smaller number total=possible collector's item. Of course, I'll need to wait six months or so to see it....

In conclusion, I refuse to buy into the hype--I'm waiting for the trade.

Oh, and by the way, I disagree with you all re: Invisibles Volume 3. Granted, when I read it originally (on a monthly basis) I didn't quite get it. When I read all three volumes back to back my mind changed (literally). V.3 brings the whole story together, and I thought the use of different artists to communicate the changing world was brilliant--the future looks so brisk and optimistic, while the battle at the ends is...dirty and hardcore.

We're The Great Old Ones Now

10:03 / 15.12.01

Bought it, read it, nearly died of boredom.

Fights.

Intros.

More fights.

But nothing to interest me. However... perhaps that will change as it goes on. Miller's good.

Big mistake releasing it this way with that as the beginning, though.

19:09 / 17.12.01

I finally picked it up and I have to say that I liked it.

I'll need to see where it's going in order to really decide but 1 issue in, I'm having fun reading it.

I really dug the whole Palmer petrie dish prison.

09:05 / 18.12.01

Yeah... Palmer in athe petri dish was really the peek of that particular issue...

We're The Great Old Ones Now

21:14 / 19.12.01

And it was what, a page and a half in?

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