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Igor Kordey's X-men - I'm impressed!

 
  

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Ronald Thomas Clontle
00:54 / 27.11.01
I like George & Marion, the sex spirits, her Niles, and all the stuff between Kate and Cliff, the 'sex is all in the brain' stuff. That was all pretty cool. Some of it was just so obnoxious...I read the whole run, and I now wonder why I was so loyal...it started off so badly, and the good issues were all spaced out between really boring multi-issue storylines.

Yeah, I wouldn't want to come up with my own superhero characters cos I think that would be pointless. The last thing the comic industry needs is more superheroes, or superhero comics. The X-Men are the only superhero characters that I have an interest in writing about, who I feel I could write interesting stories about, that I feel I could add something to that wasn't there already. I had no interest in writing them before Grant pushed it in a direction in which the possiblities of what could be done opened up ...

Also, X-Men is something that I grew up on, and I have a lot of lingering sentiment for the characters, and would love to write characters like Kitty Pryde and Rogue in a way that I think would make what is appealing about those characters shine through, and toss out what all the crap writers have done to make them unappealing over the years. (That includes you, Warren Ellis! Your Kitty was awful!)

I'd also want to turn Storm into an interesting character (I know, it sounds so impossible!), and turn a lame character like Gambit into something really quite exciting and interesting.

I'd want to focus on this group: Storm, Gambit, Rogue, Nightcrawler, Kitty, and Iceman. I'd wound Iceman early on, and leave him around as a veteran guy who has spent the majority of his life as a soldier and have him feel like he's perhaps wasted his potential as a normal person. I'd want to have them all really wondering why it is they've been using their powers as pawns and soldiers in a battle that makes no sense when they could be using their abilities (Storm and Iceman in particular) for humanitarian purposes. The idea of the superhero would be called into question, and how it plays into their roles as peace ambassadors and activists would be a major question they'd be asking themselves. I

'd want Storm to really take on a strong 'theory-bitch' activist role, and Gambit would play into that too, but his motivations would be really different, and he would be using the X-Men friends to push his own separate agenda - something that at first would seem like a twisted and sinister plot, but turns out to be for the best in an unexpected way that makes everyone involved re-evaluate their ethics once more, and question why they are in cahoots with a guy who cares about the big picture, but not at all about individual humans.

My Gambit would be a real manipulative bastard, a truly horrifying sociopath with good intentions. I'd also have Rogue completely lose her mind, have a dozen separate people's minds trapped in her head, and she would not be able to fly, or be superstrong or any of that. She would just be a mess, and the other X-Men would simply be looking after her, because they don't trust anyone else to take care of her. I guess she'd have a 'Crazy Jane' sorta role, to rip something off from Grant. Her relationship with Gambit would be revealed to be nothing more than a self-serving mind game for Gambit. Gambit would also be fucking Storm's brains out.

Kitty would the resident genius, and I would probably make her quite a lot like Rory from Gilmore Girls, and a bit like my exgirlfriend who you obviously don't know. I'd have Kitty deal with a lot of depression that she internalizes and manifests itself in sudden unpredictable bursts of selfabuse.

Kurt would represent religion....and I would strongly hint at him being a gay man who is deeply repressed. I would also have him confront that perhaps his embrace of Christianity and chastity might have something to do with him looking like an inhuman monster, and just being unable to find anyone to love him because he's just so fucking scary looking.

Oh, and I would have virtually no supervillains. The first story would involve infiltrating the Weapon X program, who've captured and mutilated Bishop beyond all recognition. Bishop would end up dying while he is experimented upon. All violence would be significant, and have major ramifications... I have no interest in writing violence porn, when violence occurs in my stories, it is quick, painful, and terrible. Most conflicts would come from within.

I'd slowly introduce new characters too, the first being a lesbian from Canada who can project her thoughts into other people's minds, but that is the limit to her psychic capabilities. In fact, she wouldn't be aware of her powers at all were it not for the stray sentinel hunting her down...

I'll shut up now. This is a little over-the-top and selfindulgent of me, I apologize...

[ 27-11-2001: Message edited by: Flux = R to the Izz-ad ]
 
 
The Natural Way
06:48 / 27.11.01
But it was FUN, wasn't it?
 
 
Jack Fear
11:20 / 27.11.01
And oh, how the ejaculate flew...

This discussion has veered entirely into the realm of adolescent fanboy wish-fulfillment toss.

I'm embarrassed on all your behalves.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:06 / 27.11.01
Good.

You carry all that baggage while I catch Flux's ejaculate in my mouth.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:36 / 27.11.01
Choke on it, filth.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
13:41 / 27.11.01
I'm sorry Jack. I'll go back into my dweebcage now...
 
 
Mr Tricks
09:09 / 28.11.01
so... why not create a thred in THE CREATION for all of our X-men proposals???
 
 
[N.O.B.O.D.Y.]
09:09 / 28.11.01
You know something Flux; about being interested about X-Men, the same happens to me. I was never too keen on X-Men, it was always some lame soap opera, like most of Marvel stuff (with the exception of Miller's stuff and the unforgettable Doctor Strange by Ditko). But Grant has really made something with all this lame characters. It's unbelievable; X-Men are cool now!!!
I liked some of your stuff, but I don't think there will ever be someone who can make Storm a good character. And about your plans for Gambit...It reminds me of Alan Moore's Tao in WildCats.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
09:09 / 28.11.01
It's unlikely I'll see this but, going back to Korday, check this very interesting interview at http://www.comicon.com/newsarama
. Guy's got much more experience in illustration and comic than I ever thought.

Where are you people taking this Morrison's quotes from? The NXM first trade?
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
13:26 / 28.11.01
The Grant and Frank quotes that I posted are from the latest issue of Wizard. I thought I had made that pretty clear in the post...

I've never read Alan Moore's WildCATS.
Also, I've actually been reading X-Men since I was a little kid, going back to the mid-80s. I went through some periods of not buying it but reading them in stores (usually when the comic would get too bad to rationalize purchasing).

I think the best way to write some of the characters, particularly Storm and Gambit, is to just acknowledge how poorly those characters have been written by just ignoring most of what other writers and have done with them and redefine what their personalities are altogether.
 
 
[N.O.B.O.D.Y.]
14:13 / 28.11.01
You should try with Alan Moore's WildCats. It's not bright stuff like V for Vendetta, but is a fun read. It's similar to what happens now with X-Men and Grant, WildCats was a bunch of awful characters and then one day Alan Moore comes and turns them upside down. He even managed to make some cool stuff with Warblade (for me, one of the most obnoxious characters ever)
About Kordey, someone told me that he already has a career in Europe, I think he did some stuff that got printed in Cimoc and Zona 84...
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
21:34 / 29.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Flux = R to the Izz-ad:
Kurt would represent religion....and I would strongly hint at him being a gay man who is deeply repressed.


Oh come on man, any true fan knows that it's Iceman thats gay! Still, Iceman and Kurt could take over from Midnighter and Apollo as comics first gay couple...
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
13:16 / 30.11.01
Ha! I had a scene in mind in which Nightcrawler uncomfortably and awkwardly flirts with Iceman, and Iceman is put off, and is trying to handle the situation without hurting his friend's feelings...

I don't see Iceman as being gay. I think he's an all American male. I did want to have him have a crush on the Canadian lesbian girl in the worst way, though...
 
  

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