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Igor Kordey's X-men - I'm impressed!

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The Knowledge +1

11:09 / 24.11.01

But I still think Frank Quitely's a bone-idle cunt.

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The Natural Way

12:09 / 24.11.01

Having just checked the previews at numerous websites it seems to me that this is shaping up to be a really nice ish.

Check out pop culture shock and comics continuum if yr curious. I'm not going to post up any of the images 'cause I know how difficult it is to resist the temptation to click on a preview thread.

Regrettable Juvenilia

13:58 / 24.11.01

Gotta say - that's quite a change of style for Kordey, and it seems to suit the title pretty well. Is it because he's inking himself (anyone know who inks his art on Cable?)? I tell you, I'm really starting to appreciate the value of a good inker these days...

More previews here. Oh, and isn't it nice that it's out so soon?

Ronald Thomas Clontle

14:12 / 24.11.01

Yeah, it looks okay. Solid meat-and-potatoes storytelling/draftsmanship. Totally inoffensive.

I'm looking foward to Frank's return for all of that, plus a whole truckload of style, flash, and panache...

15:55 / 24.11.01

Flyboy, i totally agree. I was reading the back-up story in Web of Spider-Man annual #2 and realized it was pencilled by Mike Mignola, but holy shit did it not look like his stuff at all. Someone else was inking him, so I assume that's what it was, but wow, inkers are under-rated.

Zoom.

19:38 / 25.11.01

Like I say, a lot better suited (okay, IMHO) than Van Sciver...

Ronald Thomas Clontle

09:01 / 26.11.01

I suppose this is as a good a place to post this, cos I really don't want to start yet another NXM thread til the new issue comes out on Wednesday...

The new issue of Wizard (which I apparently have a lifetime subscription to or something...I haven't renewed the thing in ages, but it keeps coming, and coming, and coming...) has a lot of NXM content in it - for one thing, the cover is a new Frank Quitely drawing of Scott, Jean, and Logan.
Frank is named the artist of the year, Cassandra Nova the villain of the year, and the revitalization of the X-line is noted as the number one greatest accomplishment of Marvel in 2001. New X-Men is also the 'Book of the Month', and the article has a few little bits of info.

here's some choice Grant quotes:

"The final issue [of Germ Free Generation] includes the triumphant return of the Phoenix, so that should be fun for Jean Grey fans... there are more twisty revelations in the ongoing Cassandra plotline, and some good and bad news for the Professor"

"By the start of year two, the team will be much more cosmopolitan - once more with a Chinese man named Xorn, an Afghani girl, and some other new faces"

- "Frank is my all-time favorite comic book artist, so I feel very lucky to be able to work with him again. As for Ethan, I couldn't have asked for a more dedicated fill-in artist. He's putting so much extra effort into each issue it's made him almost as slow as Frank."

- Coming up: "...a fight to the finish with the Shi'Ar Empire, which takes us into the second year and a whole new approach for the book and for the X-Men themselves. All of this leading up to a shocker which no one will see coming."

quotes from Frank:

"Grant's writing great stories, so it's a real pleasure just being involved. I really enjoy drawing Cyclops. He's instantly recognizable, and I love his visor. They should all have visors. I would love to work with Havok. I remember seeing him when I was about 10, in that black leotard with the coat hangers over his head, and well, it's difficult to explain, but Havok's definitely the one."

Any guesses to what the 'shocker' might be? My bet is that it's non-Prof X related...maybe something to do with Cyclops.

09:27 / 26.11.01

or perhaps its the 'ultimate magneto story' grant talked of in the trade.

09:34 / 26.11.01

Scott and Jean get a divorce!

Ronald Thomas Clontle

09:34 / 26.11.01

quote:Originally posted by impulsivelad:
Scott and Jean get a divorce!

would that surprise anyone, though?

I think it would be a great idea -- divorced couples in a superhero comic team, a nice can of worms to be opened...I don't believe that's been done before.

The Knowledge +1

09:34 / 26.11.01

Professor X in sex-change shocker!

"Around the end of last year me and my cute girlfriend got interested in the whole genderbending subculture going on and I wanted to incorporate that into the storyline of New X-Men. Hence - Professor X transformation into the new character Transgender X!"

GRANT MORRISON, Yesterday

09:34 / 26.11.01

Oh My God...¡Please let this come true!

09:34 / 26.11.01

quote:Originally posted by Flux = Wonderboy:
divorced couples in a superhero comic team, a nice can of worms to be opened...I don't believe that's been done before.

Hank Pym (Giant Man, Ant Man, Yellowjacket) and the Wasp.

The Natural Way

09:34 / 26.11.01

We've already got the transgender thing going on with Prof X. He's all dressed up as his sister, remember?

Regrettable Juvenilia

09:34 / 26.11.01

The implication seems to be that he's going to get stuck like that.

The Natural Way

09:34 / 26.11.01

Hmmm, I was wondering about that.

Kinda hoped he would.

God, can you imagine how upset yr average X fan'll be. Fab.

Ronald Thomas Clontle

10:25 / 26.11.01

quote:Originally posted by Flyboy:
The implication seems to be that he's going to get stuck like that.

That certainly fits the 'good news and bad news for the Professor', doesn't it?

And it also fits into having Cassandra crippled too...

re: Wasp and Pym... Oh damn. That is so obvious. I guess my geekiness isn't as strong as I had thought.

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The Natural Way

10:35 / 26.11.01

"By the start of year two, the team will be much more cosmopolitan - once more with a Chinese man named Xorn, an Afghani girl, and some other new faces"

So, is Morrison trying to put together a new team? The Beak, The Man From Room X, Angel et al: Are they the "New X Men"? He'll set them up and the next writer'll knock 'em down....

Ronald Thomas Clontle

10:47 / 26.11.01

Hmm. That would be the surprise, wouldn't it... to have the group look and act radically different from how he found them, but introduce the changes slowly over time as to not make it a jarring transition... Emma, then Xorn, then Angel, then Afghani Girl, then whomever... I doubt Beak is anything more than #2 after Ugly John in a running joke loser-mutant series...

Isn't Beak from Holland or something?

The Natural Way

10:49 / 26.11.01

Yeah, but as I said before, I can imagine Barnell transforming into a strutting eagle: the ugly duckling and all that...

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The Natural Way

10:57 / 26.11.01

Bollox to Frank Miller, Flux. What do you think of the above?

Ronald Thomas Clontle

11:03 / 26.11.01

What do you think of the above?

You mean, Beak turning into a confident eagle? That's a cool idea, but I just don't see it happening, as much as I would love for there to a be a Dutch guy on the team. Christ, are there ANY Dutch super-folks out there? Holland would be a cool place to represent in a multi-national group, particularly in contrast to China and Afghanistan...

As cool as Xorn is, I wish that he was obviously Chinese from his appearance.

The Natural Way

11:18 / 26.11.01

Not that I care that much (well, as much as anyone cares about doing something other than work), but I don't see why it's so unlikely. He IS the ugly duckling: young, innocent, insecure, foul to look at.... I'm not sure he's just a plot device. This new team Grant's got in the works, so far it's composed of 3 mutants: Angel, the Afghani girl and Xorn - maybe we've already been introduced to the fourth? Afterall, Grant hasn't mentioned anyone else and it's highly doubtful the new team will consist of three characters. As far as I can see, the Beak is there to be developed, to grow out of his nasty adolescence....and the mutants are mutating faster than ever.

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Ronald Thomas Clontle

11:26 / 26.11.01

I like your idea a lot, and hope that is what Grant is doing. I think it's a lot more clever to quietly slip a character in like that to seem like a plot device but then become a big deal later on...

It's not a new 'team' Grant is putting together...I think it is already established that the X-Men are the faculty of the school, so Beak and Angel are more like featured students rather than 'team members'. It looks like Xorn will be faculty of some kind.

Regrettable Juvenilia

11:31 / 26.11.01

quote:Originally posted by Gun Runce:
He IS the ugly duckling: young, innocent, insecure, foul to look at...

Or perhaps even fowl to look at.

Ha ha.

Do you get it? Do you see what I just did there? DO YOU? DO YOU?

Flux: I think you're right - this isn't a new team, just new pupils/teachers... I hope we don't have the "hey, you can be a full-fledged X-Man now you've proved yourself!" storylines too soon, if at all. That paradigm's dead.

Oh, and re: Dutch superpeople - the Authority's Doctor is Dutch.

The Natural Way

11:31 / 26.11.01

Yeah, but maybe Grant's introducing these characters so that the older guys can take a back seat and teach for a while. I don't know, but I get the feeling that anyone that "graduates" from the school and becomes a field agent is an "X man". I think one of the things Grant's doing with this book is putting together a new A list field team... I think he wants this book to move, for the youngsters to overtake the old crowd....

That's definitely an element of it, anyway.....

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Ronald Thomas Clontle

11:41 / 26.11.01

I always thought that The Doctor was an American who was hanging out as a junkie in Amsterdam, I didn't realise that he was in fact Dutch himself...

Regrettable Juvenilia

11:44 / 26.11.01

I'm not sure he was, until Mark Millar decided he was, and named him after a loyal fan on the Authority posting boards...

Ronald Thomas Clontle

11:47 / 26.11.01

Ah, see, that must have been at some point after the first four Millar issues, right?

I haven't read Authority 17-21 because I'm quite certain that they don't actually exist. Maybe one day they will collect them.

Someday.

Ronald Thomas Clontle

11:57 / 26.11.01

quote:Originally posted by Gun Runce:
I get the feeling that anyone that "graduates" from the school and becomes a field agent is an "X man".

"Field agent" being a euphemism for 'leftover characters that Joe Casey and Chris Claremont can write/wreck', right?

The Natural Way

12:55 / 26.11.01

Absolutely. I think Grant's going to leave the book having introduced a whole bunch of new characters...who'll then promptly be wrecked by the writer preceding him. This thought depresses me. Why are most comic writers so third rate? Must everyone be a fatbeard?

Ronald Thomas Clontle

23:49 / 26.11.01

I would think that since they are having such success with Grant and Frank, they will likely try to replace them with someone who might keep the fans of their work reading the comic... problem is, I have no clue who that could possibly be. Maybe Peter Milligan could switch over, maybe Mark Millar will be offered the job, they might throw huge bags of cash at Alan Moore or Neil Gaiman or Warren Ellis... who knows. Maybe they'll get someone from outside of the industry. Maybe they'll ask one of US, who knows. I wouldn't want the job of following Grant, but I do have this sick fantasy that I nurse while doing boring mundane things like walking to school or sitting on trains in which they cancel X-Treme, fire the people working on that and Uncanny, and I get Uncanny...with either Philip Bond or Richard Case drawing it! and I've worked out what I'd do with the stories, and how it would relate to what Grant is doing, and have some non-lame justification for why there are two distinct groups of X-Men, and have it be a book more about personal philosophy and ethics than Grant's more scientific and political approach.... Grant would be the macro, I'd be the micro.

I've got some lovely phantasies, and you've got some lovely phantasies...

00:07 / 27.11.01

Is Flux the next Rachel Pollack? (I should add here that I am one of the few who liked Rachel's work on Doom Patrol)

Ronald Thomas Clontle

00:19 / 27.11.01

Ha! and everyone would hate me, and get pissed off when I only had the X-Men fighting clockheaded monsters who talked in gibberish, and wrote many, many, many stories about Rogue and her period.

Well, I am writing a comic right now, and working with another girl on hers, so maybe in two years I will have something published and can somehow maneuver my way in... but it's such a pipe dream.

X-Men is the only superhero comic I'd ever be interested in working on. It's all or nothing, baby.

00:30 / 27.11.01

Yeah, well I admit the thing with Dorothy and his powers and her period was LAME...But I liked George and Marion...
Is the X-Men the only comic you would do? Personally, I would chose Superman...

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