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I miss The Invisibles.

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14:20 / 30.11.01

Thankyou my dear Mr Haus *hugs and rushing for the issues* I'm about to re-read it all . If you don't see me again you know that i have been consumed.

14:28 / 30.11.01

*kneels on ground*

*shakes fist at sky*

damn you, morrison! DAMN YOU!

don't take my lovely chiron away again. please?

14:34 / 30.11.01

quote: More or less sad than any other form of slash? And if "more", is that because comics are in themselves more "sad" than other media, or because they are less "sad", which would make the act of slashing them yet more "sad" by contrast than it already is?

More like how the hell would slash subvert, reinterpret or liberate the Invisibles? I mean, that's the point isn't it?

It's already as queer as it's gonna get... slashing it wouldn't add anything, whereas it gives you a whole new way of looking at Star Trek.

<KM>It's a tantric fucking free-for-all!</KM>

16:41 / 30.11.01

heh... so who's up for the further adventures of THE INVIIBLES??? perhaps VOL 4???

"over to the Creation!!! Yea screaming Hordes!!!"

yawn - thing's buddy

18:55 / 30.11.01

as has been said many times you can catch the invisibles now starring in their brand new fiction suits in the following titles:

marvel boy
new xmen
1234

and many more to come....

vive l'evolution.

19:44 / 30.11.01

quote:Originally posted by hi - i'm thrax from bad company:
as has been said many times you can catch the invisibles now starring in their brand new fiction suits in the following titles:

marvel boy
new xmen
1234

Yes, that's been said many times by you and the boy runce but no one's going to suck you off until you explain. What. The fuck. You mean. (Other than "they're written by the same person!", and we all knew that already.)

Twarty.

yawn - thing's buddy

12:54 / 02.12.01

didja see the cyphermen in this months new xmen?

as for explanations,

ask runce.

i just do shorthand.

01:54 / 03.12.01

quote:Originally posted by PATricky:
heh... so who's up for the further adventures of THE INVISIBLES??? perhaps VOL 4???
PATricky, I loves ya dearly, but proposing INVISIBLES fanfic seems to me to be missing the point.

"I must create my own system," said William Blake, "or be enslaved by another man's."

THE INVISIBLES is another man's system. To create fanfic based on it is to willingly enslave oneself to Grant's system, rather than create one's own—and that would run counter to the core values of THE INVISIBLES itself.

So (I would think) anyone who loves the book well enough to do INVISIBLES fanfic... would never consider doing INVISIBLES fanfic. Sort of like killing the Buddha, if you should meet him on the road.

If you want to respond to THE INVISIBLES as an artist, the best way, I think, would be to do something wholly your own.

[ 03-12-2001: Message edited by: Jack Fear ]
cant spel tonite goddam fukcin keybroad

[ 03-12-2001: Message edited by: Jack Fear ]

02:51 / 03.12.01

Jack Fear, you have put into words all of my thinkings. Come on people, you love The Invisibles, you want the fourth volume; well then make your own life the Invisibles 4th volume. Does anyone remember what Grant said in the 1st issue lettercol? (well, there were no letters then but you will get my point) He said that after you had read the comic you should burn it or something like that. To get rid of it, to be free of it. The main point of the Invisibles is to remind you that you are free. Now go out and enjoy it.

ONLY NICE THINGS

07:49 / 03.12.01

quote:Originally posted by Flame On:

More like how the hell would slash subvert, reinterpret or liberate the Invisibles? I mean, that's the point isn't it?

It's already as queer as it's gonna get... slashing it wouldn't add anything, whereas it gives you a whole new way of looking at Star Trek.

Oh, I don't know....you could have one of the gay characters not being a militant, gun-toting, shorts-wearing lesbian or a flamboyant drag queen, and just be gay without a welter of obvious and marginalising signification. You could have a queer character getting into a happy and fulfilled relationship which lasted for more than three issues without the other party being killed or turning out to be an enemy agent. You could let these people who seem to have constructed their entire personality around their sexuality actually have sex....
Just a few thoughts.

Don't have the blood sugar to comment on Jack and N.O.B.O.D.Y., nor do I want to derail the thread.

[ 03-12-2001: Message edited by: The Haus under the Ocean ]

ONLY NICE THINGS

07:53 / 03.12.01

quote:Originally posted by [N.O.B.O.D.Y.] -Thank You C.A.B.J.-:
The main point of the Invisibles is to remind you that you are free.

I enjoyed giving Time Warner my money the first time round, and I am enjoying giving them more money for the graphic novels.

Incidentally, I'm still holding myself back, but might it be an interesting critical lens to consider the Invisibles *as* a work of fanfic?

Regrettable Juvenilia

08:01 / 03.12.01

quote:Originally posted by The Haus under the Ocean:
Incidentally, I'm still holding myself back, but might it be an interesting critical lens to consider the Invisibles *as* a work of fanfic?

Absolutely. And I think this is definitely one of the reasons why it hasn't inspired much in the way of fanfic as we know it, but has inspired at least a couple of people I know, myself included, to write very heavily influenced things - the comic itself provides a model, a blueprint, for another way to respond creatively to a set of characters and stories that inspire you. What's interesting about The Invisibles is that it seems to be ficcing about 1,000 different things, and twisting and re-working them to fit together. (Re-reading some of it last night, I realised that *that* is what The Establishment reminds me of...)

The resistable rise of Reidcourchie

08:01 / 03.12.01

Originally posted by Haus

"Oh, I don't know....you could have one of the gay characters not being a militant, gun-toting, shorts-wearing lesbian or a flamboyant drag queen, and just be gay without a welter of obvious and marginalising signification."

Mason. I think that's his name, the rich guy anyway. And I'm pretty sure Jack was gay as well.

ONLY NICE THINGS

10:06 / 03.12.01

Did Mason ever actually get laid or indicate his sexuality? Being emotionally buttoned up and wealthy doesn't necessarily make you gay.

As for Jack - didn't he have an affair with Boy? And never show any attraction to men? I think we could be reaching....

10:09 / 03.12.01

also it was strongly implied that mason got it together with robin when she was young and he was older he also talks to king mob about fancying her.

Ronald Thomas Clontle

10:59 / 03.12.01

Well, Grant made a big deal of Mason being in love with Robin all through the Kissing Mr. Quimper collection, regardless of whether or not he actually eventually had sex with her when she was young...

The resistable rise of Reidcourchie

11:50 / 03.12.01

Originally posted by Haus

"Did Mason ever actually get laid or indicate his sexuality? Being emotionally buttoned up and wealthy doesn't necessarily make you gay.
As for Jack - didn't he have an affair with Boy? And never show any attraction to men? I think we could be reaching...."

Well do you want it spoon fed to you or not?

No okay I was reaching, I couldn't actually remember whether Mason had made any indication of his sexuality one way or another, I'd forgot about Robin and Mason.

As for Jack he fancied a very masculine girl called Boy and seemed to have real fear of sexuality earlier in the comics followed by a fascination /friendship with Fanny.

If I was going to slash it that's where I'd do it and I thought Morrison was going to for some of the run but then it would seem to obvious and I do tend to come down in the pointless to slash the Invisibles camp.

I think what Morrison was trying to do with sexuality was what he looks to do with most things and make it glamourous. Arguably he succeede with Fanny but failed with Jolly. He's also capable of lampooning his shortcomings in his representation of sexuality as well.

The one thing that did bother me about the Fanny character, aside from her being a hooker (because all drag queens obviously are, right?) a semi-mystical explanation of her sexuality was given rather than it just being her sexuality.

But then again as we consistently prove on Barbelith there's not text that cannot be analysed until some taint of ideologicly unsoundness can be found.

And those three seventies types where gay and so where the Professionals.

12:35 / 03.12.01

quote:Originally posted by The Haus under the Ocean:
Don't have the blood sugar to comment on Jack and N.O.B.O.D.Y., nor do I want to derail the thread.So start a new thread. The Creation would be a good place for a discussion of what is essentially a creativity issue.

Bring it on, motherfucker...

...if you gots the sugar for it, that is.

[ 03-12-2001: Message edited by: Jack Fear ]

16:39 / 03.12.01

quote:Originally posted by The Haus under the Ocean:

Don't have the blood sugar to comment on Jack and N.O.B.O.D.Y., nor do I want to derail the thread.

[ 03-12-2001: Message edited by: The Haus under the Ocean ]

I'm sorry if I hurt somebody with my comment. It's just that I don't think that fanfic should come from The Invisibles; instead it should be a catalyst for new ideas. I don't consider the Invisbles fanfic; it's more like a collage of lots of stuff, but that collage doesn't remind me of any of its components.
I would comment on your thought about Time Warner, but that should be in another thread...

00:11 / 04.12.01

Aguante Argentina, vieja. Yo también soy argentino. De donde carajo sos???
Eso si, vamos Racing bostero.

07:22 / 04.12.01

Robin clearly states that she and Mason were an item. It's not "implied", it's a fact: Robin "doing Lolita" and its "tantric significance", "He took me round the world.... we split up", "That's like fucking your Dad"....etc. etc.

09:54 / 05.12.01

quote:
Jack Fear said:THE INVISIBLES is another man's system. To create fanfic based on it is to willingly enslave oneself to Grant's system, rather than create one's own?and that would run counter to the core values of THE INVISIBLES itself.

Yeah... Jack, wheeew... I'll blame the Nitrous Oxide

if there's any thing I'll be doing "art-wise" it'll still be my own... or those interesting collaborations that come & go here...

I still see Marvel Boy as the adventures of Jack while in the UFO... circa Black Science 2 & the end of VOL3...

The X-men, F.F. parallels are not quite as clear to me...

The Damned Yankee

02:53 / 06.12.01

quote:Originally posted by velvetvandal:

And bugger the Ragged Robin figure

Well, if you insist...

Has to be one of those life-size "real dolls", though. Otherwise it would just be painful ...

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