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I miss The Invisibles.

 
  

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CorvusB
17:29 / 23.11.01
Nothing more to say. I just miss 'em. They made me happy, and re-reading just doesn't cut it. Sigh.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
17:40 / 23.11.01
I guess I'm lucky, I'm just (re)discovering them right now, it's all still new to me.

I read the entire original series when it came out, but quit after it ended and didn't bother with vol 2 and 3, which I now find was a big mistake, cos that's when it all started to get FANTASTIC.

I still haven't read anything in Vol 3, and if it is true that it won't be collected til the end of 2002, I think I'm going to have to hunt down the individual issues, which will be a major pain in the ass...
 
 
The Natural Way
20:08 / 23.11.01
Spoilers?


Mmmm, a lot of Americans didn't really seem to dig on Vol. 1. It was vere British, I suppose. Vere earthy. At that point it was all going on "on the ground", so to speak. Everything was %real% - the curtain had been pulled back, but it was all still so...solid. The simulation doesn't start to reveal itself properly until vol. 2, when everything turns into a film. At that point, the series starts to take on a kind of transparency - everything becomes unreal, like an action movie. We start to get the impression that the "war" everyone's fighting might be just as ephemeral as the day to day reality that vol. 1 went to such great pains to tear apart. We begin to see the shape of a larger, grander prison...the ultimate trap.

Or is it a game?

The layers don't stop peeling away....everything reflects everything else like a fractal program.

The trick is jumping off the fractal, off the board, and to see it from above.

Vol 3 was fantastic (inspite of its flaws); finally the Invisibles get the hang of playing the simulation and realise who's moving the pieces...

God, where did that come from? Clearly I miss it, too.

But they're still darting around the supercontext. Check them in their X suits every month or dressed up as that Horus, sorry, I mean Marvel Boy, guy.

Haven't reread it in about a year. Must do that. Thing was, I got so immersed in it at the time - I took it apart in every which way, and it kind of wore me out. By the end I found I didn't need to keep running it. I saw the thing for what it was, got an idea of the shape Grant was trying to describe - the cosmology that informed the thing. Looking back, the whole thing was an unfolded meditation on "as above, so below"...it certainly deepened my understanding of that idea...really grokking the whole universe/mind as fractal deal. Grant really instigated a paradigm shift, and I still blame the Invisibles for activating in my life those evil little shadows of the Lloigor: the 23's.

Wilson couldn't do it, but Edith could. It started to happen the night after reading vol. 3 #5:

"How very clever and special we all are to be making such big magic."

And with that they leapt out of the page and into my life. Little bastards. That night, I had an experience with them that was so fucking weird it still fucks with my head, and convinces me there's something in all this Chaos Magic malarkey.

[ 23-11-2001: Message edited by: Gun Runce ]
 
 
Hush
05:40 / 24.11.01
My Christmas treat is to be a total reread of the lot.

Usually I find something new in each re-entry, and its good to know if I have anything new to say this board is still the only place to post it that will find intelligent sympathetic response.

Thank TOM for that. He is feeling the 23's himself a bit at the moment.
 
 
Tamayyurt
06:42 / 24.11.01
I do catch'em in their x and marvel boy suits but I miss King Mob and Lord Fanny and I want to get a better view of the post 2012 world.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
18:03 / 24.11.01
I had the most 23 experience of my life just the other night.

As the 22nd of November became the 23rd.

I'm still reeling and still very frightened.

And i still miss the Invisibles.

But i am glad it's over.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
18:30 / 24.11.01
Okay, I'm lost.

Can someone clearly and succinctly (and without simply resorting to linkage) explain what this '23' stuff is about?
 
 
Rev. Jesse
19:14 / 24.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Flux = perverted by language:
Can someone clearly and succinctly (and without simply resorting to linkage) explain what this '23' stuff is about?


You've posted over 1200 posts and you don't get it? *gasp*

It is Robert Shea's and Robert Wilson's (to name but two, see also William Burroughs) version of Adam Douglas's 42, the answer to life, the universe and everything.

-Jesse
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:22 / 24.11.01
Robert Anton Wilson, basically. I think it's in Cosmic Trigger 1 where he mentions a period of his life where he noticed that the number 23 seemed to have some great significance - everywhere he looked, he'd see the number popping up (there's a huge list of 23s in Illuminatus!).

Then his wife told him that the only reason he was seeing 23 everywhere was because he was looking for it and ignoring any other numbers that were in front of him. If he'd believed that the number 752 had some cosmic meaning he would have started seeing instances of that all the time.

The moral being, if you look for a conspiracy you're bound to find one.

Or maybe that's just what I want you to think.

[ 24-11-2001: Message edited by: E. Randy Dupre ]
 
 
Hush
05:02 / 25.11.01
23 is identified (by RAW) as a specifically discordian indicator. It is associated with realligning change.

It is also the number of Bloomsday in Ullysses.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
06:14 / 25.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Flux = perverted by language:
Can someone clearly and succinctly (and without simply resorting to linkage) explain what this '23' stuff is about?

It's my birthday (March) and my mom's birthday (September) and my stepdad's and first girlfriend's birthday (November). Duh!

(ps - this means I am spooky)

And, I never have done a real re-read that included vol. 3, because I seem to have lost chunks in massive "You must read this!" charity handouts. I need it bad bad bad.
 
 
The Damned Yankee
10:05 / 26.11.01
OK, I know that all DC can really do here is finally bring out the whole series in TPB format, but how about some DC Direct action figures? Jack Frost could have interchangeable hands making various, um, gestures. Lord Fanny could come with a closet full of clothes and wigs with various sizes of falsies. Push a button on King Mob's back and he'll whine about his karma for hours. Ragged Robin will be in the leather outfit ('nuff said ). Boy will kick the shit out of any other action figures nearby.

And, representing the evil side, Sir Miles in his boxers.

Hop to it, you vile plastic mongers, you!
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
11:48 / 26.11.01
Wasn't Morrison supposed to be doing either an invisibles or invisiblesque follow up novel?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:51 / 26.11.01
He mentioned something about a novel in 3.1. I thought it was also down as an upcoming project on his site, but can't find it now.
 
 
rizla mission
12:56 / 26.11.01
Now I've finally got every issue of the Invisibles (bar 2.14, and apparently not much happens in that anyway), it really is time I did the big re-read..

..what happened to that 'Invisibles Comapnion' that was meant to be coming out?
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
12:58 / 26.11.01
Ooo that would be nice.

I feel a big Christmas re-read coming on as well (with the usual up surge in my interest in magick).
 
 
deja_vroom
13:01 / 26.11.01
I only read the two fisrt issues
*does little dance*
but now they're gonna issue the whole series in brazil
*keeps on dancing*
and I'm gonna catch 'em all!
*shakes hips like if there's no tomorrow*
 
 
Hush
16:56 / 26.11.01
Well Jade pretender I am so delighted on your behalf.
 
 
Ganesh
18:19 / 26.11.01
Why do comics have to end?

Why do people have to leave?

Why do pets stop moving when you open them up?

Whyyyyyyyyy!!!
 
 
Patrick Neighly
03:02 / 27.11.01
Now I've finally got every issue of the Invisibles (bar 2.14, and apparently not much happens in that anyway), it really is time I did the big re-read..

"Not much happens?" Tsk! Can't you loiter in a bookstore and skim the TPB?

..what happened to that 'Invisibles Comapnion' that was meant to be coming out?

It's coming, it's coming! A Previews listing is just being handled now. There wasn't much point in soliciting before a few problems were hammered out, even if that shifts the release date back a few months...
 
 
penitentvandal
07:52 / 27.11.01
quote:Originally posted by The Damned Yankee:
OK, I know that all DC can really do here is finally bring out the whole series in TPB format, but how about some DC Direct action figures? Jack Frost could have interchangeable hands making various, um, gestures. Lord Fanny could come with a closet full of clothes and wigs with various sizes of falsies. Push a button on King Mob's back and he'll whine about his karma for hours. Ragged Robin will be in the leather outfit ('nuff said ). Boy will kick the shit out of any other action figures nearby.

And, representing the evil side, Sir Miles in his boxers.

Hop to it, you vile plastic mongers, you!


Don't forget the Mister Six figure - no special features save for the ability to drink champagne
in a really cool way...

And Jim Crow. And Jolly Roger, with some kind of Simpsons-figure thing whereby, if paired with Jack, they just keep swearing at each other.

And bugger the Ragged Robin figure, I want one of Edith...
 
 
Lazlo Woodbine [some call me Laz]
08:23 / 27.11.01
quote:Originally posted by E. Randy Dupre:
He mentioned something about a novel in 3.1. I thought it was also down as an upcoming project on his site, but can't find it now.


It hasn't gone anywhere.
 
 
A
08:40 / 27.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Rev. Jesse:


It is Robert Shea's and Robert Wilson's (to name but two, see also William Burroughs) version of Adam Douglas's 42, the answer to life, the universe and everything.




I think you meant to say Douglas Adams, your holiness.
 
 
mondo a-go-go
10:17 / 27.11.01
actually, i'm always rather surprised that there isn't tons of invisibles fanfic out there keeping the flame alive. coz you'd think there would be. but there isn't. i've looked.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
13:48 / 27.11.01
Click here and read the first question/answer for the answer to yr question about the post-Invisibles novel.
 
 
rizla mission
14:22 / 27.11.01
'Pop Will Shit Itself' lol! I wish I'd thought of that..

Invisibles Fan Fic - nice idea in theory if anyone's brave enough to have a go .. no slash though please, that would just be sad.

Personally, I'd like to see the Invisibles sink more subtley into weirdo counter-culture folklore like all the stuff from Illuminatus! or the Cthulhu mythos..
y'know, a reference in a sci-fi book here, a blank badge on a comics character there, until it takes on a life of it's own..
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:44 / 27.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Rizla Year Zero:
Invisibles Fan Fic - nice idea in theory if anyone's brave enough to have a go .. no slash though please, that would just be sad.


More or less sad than any other form of slash? And if "more", is that because comics are in themselves more "sad" than other media, or because they are less "sad", which would make the act of slashing them yet more "sad" by contrast than it already is?
 
 
Lionheart
14:46 / 27.11.01
Actually, in an interview, Robert Anton Wilson says that he didn't start the 23 thing. It was around before him. Oh and nobody knows if it appears because you look for it. There are people to whom the numbers 23, 22, and a few others suddenly start appearing EVERYWHERE.
 
 
rizla mission
15:31 / 27.11.01
quote:Originally posted by The Haus under the Ocean:


More or less sad than any other form of slash? And if "more", is that because comics are in themselves more "sad" than other media, or because they are less "sad", which would make the act of slashing them yet more "sad" by contrast than it already is?


the latter. I think.

I'd just find it rather unpleasant as, unlike the more traditional subjects of slash fiction, the characters have an inherent dignity that it would be a shame to do away with for a bit of a laugh.

oh shit .. I think I'm channeling Mary Whitehouse..

must sleep now...
 
 
tSuibhne
16:26 / 27.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Lionheart:
Actually, in an interview, Robert Anton Wilson says that he didn't start the 23 thing. It was around before him. Oh and nobody knows if it appears because you look for it. There are people to whom the numbers 23, 22, and a few others suddenly start appearing EVERYWHERE.


RAW says somewhere that he got the idea from Burroughs' '23 Enigma.' Apparently Burroughs had some rather strange runnings with 23 while he was in Morocco.
 
 
rizla mission
13:13 / 28.11.01
But it was Illuminatus! which catapaulted it into the realms of pop culture mythology .. which was kind of my point.
 
 
grant
16:58 / 29.11.01
quote:Originally posted by Lionheart:
Actually, in an interview, Robert Anton Wilson says that he didn't start the 23 thing. It was around before him. Oh and nobody knows if it appears because you look for it. There are people to whom the numbers 23, 22, and a few others suddenly start appearing EVERYWHERE.


Yeah, it's in the Principia Discordia, which was first released as xeroxed fliers in New Orleans in the early 60s. Probably predates them, too.
 
 
Chiron
13:28 / 30.11.01
I'm still recovering from the first read. This time last week i was an invisible virgin. Two days ago i finished the whole beautiful thing. Mmmm...
Wierd - I've been actively on the look out for the number 23 since i was 13.
Numbers aside - my head's still rattling around trying to piece The Invisibles together. I may be gone for some time. For a gal of little brain like myself it may have been wiser to wait a day between each issue. Savour it. oh well.
Questions still running around my head... that i'm sure are obvious to other people - like the significance of pierrot and colombine... mmmm....
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:32 / 30.11.01
It's Jerry Cornelius and Aubrey Beardsley, innit?
 
 
penitentvandal
13:58 / 30.11.01
Jaubrelius Beardslicorn?

[ 30-11-2001: Message edited by: velvetvandal ]
 
  

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