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New X-Men #121 Cover and Solicitation - BIG SPOILERS?

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Regrettable Juvenilia

13:25 / 25.09.01

Blimey.

quote:Professor X lies in a coma, on the edge of death! His powerful mutant brain has retreated into itself. In one last ditch attempt to free him from this state, Jean Grey and Emma Frost telepathically journey into the realm of Xavier's mind - and the horrors they discover can truly not be described! Can the X-Men's founder be saved - or will Jean and Emma be consumed by his nightmares? Find out in "Silence: Psychic Rescue in Progress"!

This is the silent issue, by the way.

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Jamieon

13:35 / 25.09.01

Shit me!

Is that Cassandra staring out at us?

She has the right eyebrows.

Actually.....is that Cassandra's head? Look's kinda wrinkly.....

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Ronald Thomas Clontle

13:44 / 25.09.01

Um, I'm fairly certain that is Cassandra's head with Charles (with prison bars...) on the inside.

13:46 / 25.09.01

well in E for Extinction, there was numerous allusions to Cassandra being linked to Xavier, but no real answer. Because there was no wrap-up, I assumed that would be explored later, though I hope Grant doesn't do something like what they did with Onslaught several years ago, the "taken over by an evil being" thing gets old, especially with Prof. X.

So maybe we get to see what the real deal with Cassandra is?

-Trish

Jamieon

13:46 / 25.09.01

Trish, go here to catch up on the Cassandra stuff. Trawl down until you get to the brain swap stuff and watch the heated geek debate commence.

But....after this is there anything to debate?

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13:58 / 25.09.01

It's just as I predicted in the previous thread on the topic. Grant is riding on the popularity of Gaiman's Last Tempatation, and having Alice Cooper take over the world's most powerful telepath.

15:13 / 25.09.01

gets out of chair. shoots beast. paralyses wolverine. reveals new cybermorph (pseidolon?) toy he's secretly been working on that goes mad and kills everything. wolverine gets all the flesh burnt off one arm again. one of the spacky kids from Frost's class who (aaah) it turns out was molested as a kid kills the baddie with her anything powers the end. then someone else will take over and we cringe as frost and grey look out of the page and start talking about periods.

Ronald Thomas Clontle

15:15 / 25.09.01

So, yeah...what's supposed to happen in issue 120? I take it that has been solicited by now... was that the one with Jean on the cover?

I think I remember that Angel was on the cover of 119, and Beast on the cover of tomorrow's 117... who's on the cover of 118?
Cyclops? Xorn?

Jamieon

15:17 / 25.09.01

But Pollack was beautiful.

She put the "moon" into "womb".

117: Beast

118: Cyclops

119: Angel

120: Jean

121: Evil Head

And I suppose "Charles" must have been fallen into a coma as a result of Johhny Sublime and all his evil, vivisectionist antics.

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15:20 / 25.09.01

jesus m'liddle bitchbaby yer a fucking poet! i'll send this one off to tori amos who's writing the new Drug of the Endless stripple in vertigo. she loves words that rhyme she does.

Ronald Thomas Clontle

15:32 / 25.09.01

Has there been any mention of Xorn's role in anything?

I would hate to see that character shuffled off to the sidelines...my brother and I have a real fascination with him - I really want to know more about him, how exactly it works out that he is a sentient being with no brain, but a star in its place ---not to mention him having no contact with the outside world for 50 years, how the fact that he is Chinese comes into play, etc, etc....

I've said it before, but it looks like he's the "Rebis" of New X-Men...

Jamieon

16:12 / 25.09.01

All in good time, my dear Rad.

Xorn's got a future (Morrison's already mentioned that he will be joining the team at some point), but the star for brain thing? I don't think we can expect detailed explanations. It's just a lovely, surreal idea Grant nicked from Jeff Bloom and and some old alchemical texts.

Xorn's definitely a big deal. I think Grant went on to say (in some spacky Wizard Special) that Xorn holds the future of mutantdom in his hands. Or some such fun guff. As I said before, I don't think the whys and hows of Xorn's sun head really matter - what really matters are its implications.

And what they will be, who can tell.

"Whole Universes fit in there...."

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Ronald Thomas Clontle

16:22 / 25.09.01

quote:Originally posted by Deluxe Frunt:

Xorn's definitely a big deal. I think Grant went on to say (in some spacky Wizard Special) that Xorn holds the future of mutantdom in his hands. Or some such fun guff. As I said before, I don't think the whys and hows of Xorn's sun head really matter - what really matters are its implications.

I believe the quote was something very close to 'inside his head is the most terrible secret of them all'...

18:16 / 25.09.01

And this thread is a giant fucking spoiler for anyone that hasen't read #117 yet.

Regrettable Juvenilia

20:16 / 25.09.01

I think solicitations and covers for issues 4 ahead always are, aren't they?

Regrettable Juvenilia

11:25 / 18.10.01

Check it out: a page from #121. Frank Q just gets better and better...

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11:40 / 18.10.01

That looks amazing.

17:11 / 18.10.01

wow

The Natural Way

18:35 / 18.10.01

KRUNTY!!!!!!!!!

20:59 / 18.10.01

lkzjhbdliae!!!

23:30 / 18.10.01

oh....my.

The Natural Way

08:40 / 21.10.01

Thoughts:

I'm surprised nobody's picked up on the similarities between Grant's take on mutants and Terrence McKenna's Timewave Zero (or whatever it's called) - mutants representing the exponentially increasing incursion of novelty into 4d space time, and all that jazz. And, on that note, it seems kind of interesting that they've got a walking, talking black hole living in their midst (who's supposed to hold the keys to the future or something).

The "Cassanova" thing makes loads more sense now that we know Cassandra's Charles's twin - the eternal opposites in unity, invissy style, thing. Cassandra embodying the birth pains of the mutant race (a la the archons), perhaps?

yawn - thing's buddy

11:58 / 21.10.01

yeah - the evil twin thing has existed in folklore to represent the presence of parallel/extended dimensions in our midst since cave-time. Grant is simply tearing 'the evil twin thing' a new asshole.

hurrah!

Ganesh

11:59 / 21.10.01

Yep. Cassie Nova = Hans Ramoray.

The Natural Way

10:09 / 22.10.01

yeah - the evil twin thing has existed in folklore to represent the presence of parallel/extended dimensions in our midst since cave-time. Grant is simply tearing 'the evil twin thing' a new asshole.

But that's not really what I meant, though.

Ronald Thomas Clontle

15:21 / 22.10.01

I'm wondering where you were headed with the black hole idea, Young Runt. I'm not all that familiar with McKenna, so I can't really comment too much on that.

From my perspective, the Cassandra/Charles thing is all about re-establishing what is good and what is evil in the X-Men mythos...and what better way of doing that than by setting up a very literal doppelganger duality between Charles and this creature who can casually wipe out 14,000,000 people or so...

For so long in the X-Men comics, there was a very vague sense of good and evil, things were never explained, the motives and actions of the heroes seemed the same as the villains... this story brings back some definition to why Charles and the X-Men are doing what they are doing, and exactly what that is.

Graeme McMillan

15:31 / 22.10.01

quote:Originally posted by Flux = whatever:
From my perspective, the Cassandra/Charles thing is all about re-establishing what is good and what is evil in the X-Men mythos...

One of the reasons I like it is that it's such a soap opera-esque idea, the "evil twin". The X-Men have long been associated with this kind of endless narrative, and there's just something about taking such a cliched idea identified with the form and using it without feeling the need to apologise for it that appeals to me.

Not that I explained the above at all clearly, but still.

Ronald Thomas Clontle

15:38 / 22.10.01

quote:Originally posted by Guy Grand:

The X-Men have long been associated with this kind of endless narrative, and there's just something about taking such a cliched idea identified with the form and using it without feeling the need to apologise for it that appeals to me..

I agree. It's very wise for him to take (and then upgrade) the old strengths of the series while at the same time re-making the concept in his image.

I don't think Grant is necessarily bringing much new to the comic save for the pacifist agenda, he's really just bringing to the fore the concepts and ideas that were always there, and throwing out the things he doesn't want to get in the way.

15:55 / 22.10.01

Well... while the evil twin angle was pretty apparient from the onset... I'm still not sure how GM's "ripping it a new asshole"

X-mythos has had and evil twin of Phoenix, Nightcrawler, Psylocke, Beast & now Proff X.

then there's been the Hero goes insane/evil story which included Phoenix,Storm, Proff X, Wolvie (his berzerker rage thing)

Thne there's the basic Brain washing / Mind control that everyone seems to experience at least once.... Archangle, Wolverine, Proff-X, most notably but most of any grouping of X-men at anytime... The comic that is now NewXmeN started with such a story line.

While GM has easily proven the CassieNova is not only evil, but mean... the only potential of a "new spin" on the evil twin seems to be hidden with-in her/it being a meta-mutant...

On Mckenna:
Yeah... I can totally see the novelty factor being played out in the subtext, now that you mention it... The next step would be any relation to the 2012 "event" which Grant certainly has a fondness for...

Ganesh

16:08 / 22.10.01

Yawn just likes the idea of "being ripped a new arsehole", the big poof.

yawn - thing's buddy

21:15 / 22.10.01

patricky -

plink, squeal. (the sound of a new arsehole being ripped open)

ganesh: go iron yer gorblimey troosers.

10:34 / 23.10.01

does anyone know whether there is a trade paperback planned of New X Men?
I missed a couple of issues and cant get them anywhere.

Ronald Thomas Clontle

10:52 / 23.10.01

quote:Originally posted by BobGod:
does anyone know whether there is a trade paperback planned of New X Men?
I missed a couple of issues and cant get them anywhere.

yeah, they are actually planning on collecting the whole series, that's why the stories are being built the way that they are...If I recall, they originally wanted to put the first three issues out as one collection, but I think they are holding out until maybe the end of the Cassandra Nova storyline (around 124)...

A

11:34 / 23.10.01

if i'm not mistaken, i remember reading somewhere that a trade paperback featuring "the first six issues" of GM's run on NewXmeN will be out before the end of the year. can't remember the exact date, sorry. I don't know if this will include the annual (which i missed picking up, and therefore have no idea who all these cool-sounding characters evryone keeps talking about are), or not. at any rate, i'm enjoying buying the thing in single issues and biting my nails waiting to see what happens next.

Ronald Thomas Clontle

13:00 / 23.10.01

hm. since the Cassandra story has a beginning, middle, and an end (around 124/125), wouldn't it make more sense to have it all in one volume, so that it is more accessable?

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