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The Seven Ages of Comic Buying

 
  

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mondo a-go-go
11:48 / 06.09.01
because they tolerate it. and in FP, so do the staff. i've complained about the scummy floors in there, and they look resentful because i'm asking them to do more work.

bear in mind though, that FP is a franchise operation and not all stores are run exactly the same way. (eg. the one in nottingham is clean, half the staff is female, at least it was last year when debs was working there and i dunno if she still is.) it doesn't bode well that the flagship store is so unpleasant, though actually what annoys me more is the huge numbers of tourists you have to fight through, and the elbows in the face that i encounter when i try to get stuff from the new comics shelves.

this latter has recently started occurring in gosh too, making me think that internet reccomendations have brought the sad mouth-breathers who aren't used to seeing women in comic shops -- which never used to be a problem.

however, i will say one thing: comic shop staff never sneer about my purchases the way specialist record shop staff are prone to do.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
12:11 / 06.09.01
quote:Originally posted by The Haus of Willow:
are music shops for the hardcore as bad as comic shops?
That all depends on what strand of music you're talking about. Some of the most courteous and clued-in shop-staffers I've ever come across have worked in specialist classical stores. On the other side of the coin, some of the biggest wankers I've ever come across have worked in "alternative" record stores, exhibiting the sort of behaviour Kooky mentions. Fuckers.

Record conventions on the other hand seem to be uniformly scary. As are fan conventions. Isn't it just the "fanatic" end of the spectrum of fandom that determines how scary people are, not necessarily the media that they collect?

As for me? I bought The Dark Knight Returns in leather-bound format because it was on the cheap table of a comic shop I used to poke around in in Auckland, when I was about 14. I bought it and a copy of Eisner's The Building before pretty much forgetting about comics until relatively recently, though I did have that "ex-with-Sandman-and-other-cool-stuff" experience, too, to prepare me for the reignition of interest. I can't afford to collect 'em as others do. So I read when the mood takes me and finances allow, pretty much. I'm not too anal about it.
 
 
No star here laces
13:47 / 06.09.01
Hmm, whenever I talk to certain trendy types about comics they tell me they've got Watchmen and Arkham Asylum but nowt else. Suspect Jimmy Corrigan may well be in the same category pretty soon, if that answers the Sergeant Pepper question.
 
 
Sax
08:52 / 07.09.01
So what if someone’s comic buying experience is "limited" to Dark Knight Returns, Watchmen, Jimmy Corrigan, Maus and Barefoot Gen?

At least they’re reading comics, right? Or does it not count unless you know the panel of the page of the issue in which Jean Grey farted out Dark Phoenix and destroyed Altair IV?

These "trendies" may well be very impressed by top of the range stuff like this, but wouldn’t dream of picking up New X-Men 116, despite the fact that there’s an impossibly gorgeous woman on the cover wearing a totally implausible and impractical outfit.

I’ve often heard people try to justify long-running series’ like X-Men with words to the effect "it’s just like a soap opera! Really!"

Well, whoop-de-fucking-do. Soap operas are even more disposable than comics, and people care a damn sight less about the characters. A huge percentage of the population watches soap operas, but only the real weirdos would dream of contributing to a web-based community discussing the relative merits of Eddie Yates’ motivation to empty bins.

With 25 years of comic reading experience behind me, I’m neither influenced by the media or worried about being seen in comic shops because it won’t impress the ladies, but I am being honest with myself that no matter how much I try to like stuff, it really is largely pap, with a handful of exceptions. That doesn’t mean I’m going to stop buying comics, because I like my pap as much as the next geek, but I do accept that although I prefer the novels I read and the movies I watch to be original, "grown up" and a little bit serious, the comics I read are largely the four-colour equivalent of a Chuck Norris bullets-n’mullets fest.
 
 
Jamieon
10:07 / 07.09.01
But I just don't agree that the comics I like are pap. They're no more pap than loads of films, music, TV and books, and a fuck sight better than a lot of them. I just don't think my "Love and Rockets", Grant Morrison, Alan Moore, "Frank", "Gon", etc, are "unworthy" in any way...

Is this going to get into some tedious debate about high and low art?

I like "Buffy" and "X-Men" AND "In The Mood For Love" and Gabriel Garcia Marquez - It all gives me something to chew on.

Just cause it dresses like trash, doesn't mean it IS trash. S'all different "languages" innit?

[ 07-09-2001: Message edited by: runt ]
 
 
Ganesh
10:08 / 07.09.01
As far as the 'seven ages' go, my parents bought me Whizzer & Chips (I was a Whizz-kid; Chip-ites scared me...) for much of my childhood. Stopped reading comics entirely after that, except for the occasional 2000AD (which I never really got into, somehow).

There was a general absence of American comics where I lived, so my only real contact with the X-Franchise came at the age of 14 when a (rather smug) classmate lent me the entire early run of Claremont's original X-Men. I quite enjoyed it but was hardly prompted to go out and 'score' more...

My secondary school years were largely comic-free; I was heavily into RPGs, though, so easily maintained my Nerd Quotient. My comics epiphany happened at University: a copy of 'Watchmen', loaned by a friend from Leeds who had access to bigger, better comic shops; I was hooked.

All downhill from there.
 
 
mondo a-go-go
20:12 / 07.09.01
my mama threw out all my old whizzer & chips comics. i managed to rescue the mickey mouse comics i learnt to read with, though.

and no, i didn't want to keep them purely for nostalgic reasons. it's fascinating looking back on that stuff and seeing how much it reflected the era. and whizzer & chips did so in a way that the beano never did. even though leo baxendale (anarchist cartoonist) did the art for dennis the menace & the bash street kids, it was stuff in the other comics that reflected things like the 3-day week in the 70s etc. wish i still had 'em...
 
 
Mr Tricks
23:41 / 07.09.01
hmmm... sorry I'm late, Dog ate my bus pass!!!

7 ages as follows:

AGE 5-7:
Learning to read is help thanks to the piles of comics handed down from older brothers. Titles include Spider-Man, Flash, Aquaman eben oldschool X-Men. Cover prices are at around 20-25 cents.

AGE 8-10:
Ramdomly buying comics from the local newsstand on sundays after church. Probably a reward for sitting still and drawing rather than being a brat like many peers. Titles include Superman, JLA, Spider-Man, Flash, Batman, Aquaman...

AGE 11-13:
Discover Uncanny X-Men at local 7-11. Soon followed by Avengers & F.F. Figure out the numbering system and become aware of continueling story-lines & continuety. Deside to become a comic-book artist when I grow up.

AGE 14-16:
Comics are now an obsession. Find my first comic shop. Father is actively discouraging the hobbie as a waist of time & money. become recognised as the kid who sits in the corner drawing comic charactors.

AGE 17-18:
Art school in the future, determined to be the "next John Byrn" only by age 20. being pushed towards a carreer in "advertising" as being where the real money is. Attempts at cool-ness are mostly a farce, modest "fame" as a local art prodigy.

AGE 19-21:
Breezing through art school. Girls? oh... Okay. Co-opt collage newspaper with like-minded students to create an even larger "comics" section. KUNGFU makes me cool. Student government pays for fun & travel. Actively crusadeing to make comics "as cool as me"

AGE 22-25:
Out to make money as an artist. Questing to find my role as an artist... Eventually get a gig as artist & eventually writter for a SMALL independant publisher. Find Drugs & Raving... Invisibles... not much money these days.

AGE 26-28:
Leave New York exhausted. Short on money but still picking up a select few titles regularly. Trying to find voice as an "independant" Comic artist... create the Ultimate Rave Opus in comic form... not finished with it yet.

AGE 29-33:
Establish in California. Working in Publishing justifies writing off comics expences on Taxes. Have an ongoing comic-strip in KUNGFU Magazine and can spend freely on Wednesdays at the Comic Shop down the road from the office. hangs out on Barbelith while Photoshop renders.

My comic Strip is slowly being arhived online...while I plan my next endevors... Burningman, Flash animation or getting back to that Opus.

Also somwhat reknowned for being able to find a comic in my collection to appeal to anyone I meet. Have converted many into commic appreciation... most importantly my girlfriend who loves The Invisibles & Promethia... life's GOOD
 
 
Mr Tricks
23:42 / 07.09.01
Okay... that was more like 9 ages...

so WHAT!!!
 
 
Sax
15:40 / 08.09.01
Kooky, do you remember Krazy comic? Came out mid-to-late 70s, I'd guess, starring Cheeky and the Krazy gang, and their unfragrant nemesis Pongo Snodgrass. Also had a great Batman piss-take, Birdman and Chicken.

First British comic I can remember buying was Monster Fun. Top, that was.
 
 
mondo a-go-go
17:06 / 08.09.01
god, sounds familiar. sounds like the sort of thing i would have read in an annual at someone else's house (like much of my brit comic strips, actually)
 
 
Sax
06:14 / 10.09.01
Try this:
http://www.26pigs.com/krazy/
 
  

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