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moriarty
17:20 / 19.06.01
I just returned from a trip in dear ol' Tronna with a small selection of cheap comics under my arm. On the bus ride back home I got to thinking about how the majority of discussions here seem to revolve around the same 5 or so comic titles. Understandable, because it gives us some common ground, but it does limit things. That said, and inspired partly by the Archer and Armstrong thread if that's any help, I'd like to propose a discussion about those back of the bin purchases that make life worth living. Not necessarily guilty pleasures, since many of these are good titles, but rather comics that are on your B-list. These can be comics that you had as a child and will never part with, or that you parted with and wish you never did. They can be hidden gems found in the quarter bins, or single issues in a series you otherwise detest. You can even cite themes taht you have a passion for, like giant ape comics, or comics where the hero's head gets increasingly larger. Share your forgotten joys! I'll start.

Elseworlds books. The thing I like about the Elseworlds books is that they often get artists who could never meet a monthly schedule to do some fantastic work. Also, the placement of these iconic characters in strange surroundings, despite a few missteps, fit in so well. The comic that sparked the idea for this thread was an Elseworlds tale called "Superman and the War of the Worlds." I had never heard of it before, despite the amazing artwork of Michael Lark of Terminal City fame. In it, the Golden Age Superman grapples with the invasion of H.G. Wells aliens. I'm a sucker for the Golden Age, especially Supes from that era, and the writer, Roy Thomas (All Star Squadron) does a great job replicating the feel of the times. Clunky at parts, which is to be expected from a Thomas comic, and with a tacked on moral, it still managed to thrill me and surprise me more than most any Supes comic from the last ten years. Other titles I have enjoyed include the Holy Terror (where Bruce Wayne is a priest), Metropolis and Nosferatu (both based loosely upon the silent films of the same names, with art by Mckeever), Super Seven, Justice Riders, and the unpublished Red Son (I've read the first issue in rough, with no dialogue, and it's beautiful).

Kirby's minor 70's comics. They may not be in a class with the FF or the New Gods, but Devil Dinosaur, 2001, OMAC and the rest of them are still bursting with the manic energy only Kirby could achieve. Special mention to Kamandi, the Last Boy on Earth, the comic that encapsulates the decade of disco through the mind of the King.

Jonah Hex. I collect all the gritty, manly DC comics, including Sgt. Rock, Unknown Soldier, Enemy Ace, etc. Jonah Hex has a special place set aside for it, and like many before me, I can't say why. My collection just keeps growing and growing. Hex was just, in every way, the craziest, most ridiculous, depressing Western to ever hit the stands. It kind of had a beautiful ugliness to it, like the title character. And I just recently tracked down the last Hex story, the one where he's shot in the back and stuffed and mounted for a carnival display.

I could go on forever, and will next time with my five favourite mainstream comics of the 90's, but now it is time to turn the floor over to the next Fatbeard in the making. Bring us your great unwashed, your tattered and torn. your GI Robots and Ambush Bugs. C'mon, get outtat the shadows.
 
 
bio k9
18:15 / 19.06.01
I very much love the entire pre-Unity output of Valiant comics. The art wasn't great but the stories were far better than any of the other superhero comics of the time (early Image, the crap Marvel was churning out ect). The characters were somewhat believeable (I find it easier to believe in an alien suit of armor/ weapon of mass destruction worn by a barbarian displaced in time [X-O Manowar] than I do a drunked Vietnam vet creating a suit of armor that flies and has repulsar rays because he has a heart condition [Iron Man]. And the continuity was tight as hell.
 
 
bio k9
18:18 / 19.06.01
And I would love to see Morrison's take on Magnus Robot Fighter.
 
 
Ria
19:47 / 19.06.01
an obscure book called Starstruck by Elaine Lee and Kaluta stretched my view of what comic books could do in the faroff year of 198-something. I feel a little tired to detail its qualities but it really did come before its time and that may include this time.

[ 23-06-2001: Message edited by: Kriztalyne ]
 
 
sleazenation
09:18 / 20.06.01
Luther Arkwright was a revelation for me-- it was something that a variety of comic creators whose work i loved would cite as a powerful influence yet (at that time) it was out of print- but as a frequenter of used book stores and market stalls i found all three volumes of arkwright and the first volume of miracleman all for £1.50 each (I also got a collection of the first 15 issues of TMNT from the same stall, but that cost £3)

Arkwright had a lasting impact on me and i eventually studied it for the dissertation part of my degree.


another cool back issue find was Jon J Muth's adaptation of Fritz Lang's 1931 classic 'M'
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
09:20 / 20.06.01
I really dug all the strange 70s Marvel series like
Deathlok
Man-Thing
Werewolf by Night

I also miss the Caliber comics from 87-90. I wish I still had a bunch of that stuff.

I also liked the first run of The Micronauts.
 
 
THX-1138
09:40 / 20.06.01
moriarty I'm with ya on the Sgt. Rock (and Easy Co. !) Enemy Ace, The Unknown Soldier, Jonah Hex..Ambush Bug, yesss.. Weird War Tales with the GI Robot. Love that stuff. I may have to go raid some back issue bins soon. I'm also with ya on the McKeever Elseworlds. I read that he's working on an Elseworlds featuring Wonder Woman crossed with the movie "The Blue Angel" (? is that the right one?) I lurv back issues!!
 
 
klint
09:40 / 20.06.01
Ragman
 
 
autopsy of a rockstar
09:40 / 20.06.01
quote:Originally posted by klint:
Ragman


Hell hell hell hell yeah!! The tattered tatterdemalion. I loved that comic, though the Elaine Lee miniseries was the better one. A Kabbalistic wanderer with a costume made of souls. Such lost potential on that one.

Although the rabbi in the first miniseries was so poorly contrived with stereotype as to drag the whole thing down. That and Pat Broderick's shoddy pencils. I've never seen a comic that guy's art didn't mangle.
 
 
grant
13:37 / 20.06.01
Big up the Elseworlds massive.

An' Kamandi!
Dem talkin' apes! whooooo!
 
 
Ria
14:20 / 20.06.01
I hadn't known that Elaine Lee ever wrote
I]Ragman[/I]. which volume?

and I would praise Gerber's run on Howard the Duck but let's hope we haven't forgotten it yet. or have we? hope not.

[ 23-06-2001: Message edited by: Kriztalyne ]
 
 
Tom Coates
15:35 / 20.06.01
I was obsessed by Booster Gold when it first came out - to the extent that when, during Millennium, it looked like he'd betrayed everyone I was FURIOUS. Subsequent attempts at the character have always downplayed what was essentially a great idea - a flawed but decent individual with access to abilities who decides to exploit his celebrity. No one had done that really in comics by that point - particularly not with as much sensitivity, and if it wasn't for the horrible end to the series, I'd buy it all again tomorrow. Early Blue Beetle (post crisis DC version) was good too).

I also remember an episode of the Hulk which really turned me on in a weird way - he was kind of being brainwashed by someone. His dad was in it. It was kind of weird and sleazy.

And the first comics I really remember reading were early eighties JLA - it was like a cross-earth saga, if I remember. I can't remember much about it, but it was fucking great. I'd love ot get my hands on those again.

Other than that - Knights of Pendragon (the first series from Marvel UK) was great - really intelligently written and really quite mythic and cool. And Suicide Squad is a series from my teen period that I actually really thought was good when it started.

I didn't get into Marvel until late - they all looked weird to me. Didn't trust them. Only bought DC. When I started getting the X-books it was around the time that they all went to the Australian Outback through the Seige Perilous. I really liked the series around that time - before it became all Liefeld/Lee style dominated - and bought back issues back before the morlock massacre right back to when rogue first joined. I'd like to have those again.

And I do wish that John Byrne would tell the world what happened next to the Next Men, although I think I'm the only one who gives a damn.

Series I don't miss: New Guardians, X-factor, X-force, Cloak and Dagger.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
16:22 / 20.06.01
Ragman! Ragman! Ragman! Ragman! Ragman!
 
 
MJ-12
17:11 / 20.06.01
The Jademan kung-fu comics from the late 80's/early 90's will always have a special place in my heart.

The whale brothers appear to have an inexhaustable supply of Dikks
 
 
uncle retrospective
19:28 / 20.06.01
I used to love Dragon's Claws and Death's Head Uk were the best Marvel comics I ever came across.
 
 
THX-1138
09:27 / 21.06.01
I really enjoyed Gary Erskine's artwork on Kinghts of Pendragon and Warheadsgood stuff, also Hypersonic was rockin' good. wow yeah DC's Wasteland was waaay cool. They also put out one under the Pirahna Press imprint that has always been one of my faves. It was titled Wasteland too, by the guys behind Beautiful Stories for Ugly Children another fave..
 
 
Ria
09:27 / 21.06.01
quote:Originally posted by THX-1138:
I really enjoyed Gary Erskine's artwork on Kinghts of Pendragon and Warheadsgood stuff


oh yes. Warheads. I liked the issues before they changed artists. and the way the characters looked. Erskine left after one and a half issues and I stopped buying. the only traditional superhero comic I had bought in about ten years too.

I did discover X-Calibur 'till years after BTW after I overcame my superhero prejudice a little.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
09:27 / 21.06.01
quote:Originally posted by Biologic K-9:
I very much love the entire pre-Unity output of Valiant comics. .



I really liked Harbinger quite a bit when it was around...it was a much more realistic and levelheaded take on the X-Men core concepts, sans the "world fearing and hating you" bigotry parable. I even liked it after Pete Stancheck died, and they created an entirely new cast...though that eventually ran out of steam, and it creatively died around the same time everything else Valiant had did... It's a shame, Valiant was a nice alternative back then, it's really too bad so many poor decisions were made. They were certainly on the right track, and the thing they were doing, that being well-done mainstream superhero comics, seems to be the model for where Marvel and DC's mainstream lines are going today.
 
 
The Mr E suprise
09:27 / 21.06.01
Spider man and Zoids. Zoids was great, post apocaplyptic alien weirdness. I can remember when they cancelled it (i was soooo disappointed)

Man-thing was good, but limited. Same goes for the Black Panther reprints. Was obsessed by Star Brand and DP7 for a while. (What a great idea for a comic. 7 normal people with freakish powers, on the run from an institute)

Dragons Claw rocked, and I was a fan of Deaths Head from his days in Transformers. The idea of not one, but many planets of giant robots (and giant robot bounty hunters) simply rocked. Even if Dr Who did have to compress him so they could give him his own comic....
 
 
sleazenation
09:27 / 21.06.01
Death's Head was very cool. Ah thise halcyon when there actually WAS a marvel UK in some meaningful sense and it actually had a budget (albeit very small) to create orginal comics.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:27 / 21.06.01
It's all about the giant warring robots who turn into things, baby.

"This day belongs... to the Decepticons."

Oh, and Mr E? Don't like the term "bounty hunter". Prefer freelance peace-keeping agent, yes?

[ 21-06-2001: Message edited by: Zenith ]
 
 
moriarty
03:40 / 23.06.01


I've been obsessing over "The War That Time Forgot" recently. And I can't say for certain, but I believe my friend's Robot Scarecrow tattoo is partly responsible.

WWII with dinosaurs is comics greatest combination.
 
 
Robot Man Reformed
20:31 / 23.06.01
I think Alan Davis' second run on Excalibur to be absofuckinglutely fantesticle.

All the laughs, all the oooh's, all the fun...

ClanDestine (including the CD/X-men) had even fantastic'er art and cool stories, too bad about the oft-times crappy dialogue.
 
 
Ronald Thomas Clontle
09:00 / 24.06.01
Ah...I've got one. Keith Giffen's Ambush Bug and The Heckler series...funny weird stuff that was...though mostly inside-jokes for comics geeks.
 
 
ynh
09:00 / 24.06.01
quote:Originally posted by grant:
Kamandi!


You really are Batman.
 
 
Karasu
12:43 / 24.06.01
Have to say, I've a fond spot for the likes of Deaths Head (managed to find an original TPB!), Warheads was fantastic (they should really bring it back), the re-vamp of Deathlok they brought out in the early nineties and all the old 2000AD stuff (D.R. & Quinch, Zenith, Calhab Justice etc)
 
 
THX-1138
15:44 / 24.06.01
They can't bring Warheads back unless they have Erskine doing the art. That'd be my only stipulation. Who was the writer? I forgot.
 
 
Flake
18:14 / 24.06.01
A few contributions --

Master of Kung Fu -- Doug Moench and Gene Day's over looked Kung-Fu classic. The earlier issues with Paul Gulacy were great as well...

Ann Nocenti and John Romita Jr's run on Daredevil -- great stuff. Whatever happened to Nocenti anyway? And pretty much anything JrJr has done at Marvel is worth picking up...

Mark Millar's run on Swamp Thing -- he really revitalised Swamp Thing after 50 issues or so of crap after Moore and Veitch left (with a little help from Grant Morrison).

Flake
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
20:42 / 24.06.01
Every so often I pull out the old Killraven and Blakc panter books by Don McGregor to remind myself WHY I started reading the damn things in the first place.

But the TRUELY forgotten comic that needs to be reprinted is Doug Moench's Aztec Ace, a wonky, discordian time travel series with perfect art by Dan Day. If you haven'r read it, fish it from the quarter bins and be prepared for something that was about 15 years ahead of it's time. Which is about par for Ace...
 
 
Sam Lowry
00:07 / 27.06.01
Why, Miracleman, of course (Moore's run), though I still haven't read most of the Olympus story (extremely hard to find, those issues... )

Also, does anybody remember Green Lantern: Mosaic? What a great, weird series! Gerard Jones and Cully Hamner really excelled during their brief run (about 25 issues) in that little vertigo-ized (pre-vertigo, mind you) corner of the GL universe...

And speaking of Cully Hamner, I remember fondly Malibu´s Firearm, drawn by him, written by James Robinson (before Starman, after The Golden Age).

Ahhhh... nostalgia...
 
 
Scrubb is on a downward spiral
11:25 / 27.06.01
More of a preteen thing, but my vote's with Thundercats. The feline/ninja weaponry fusion did nicely for me. I read them. I collected them. I fancied them all (apart from Snarf).

And then my mum threw them all out.

Now it's damn near impossible to get hold of them for love, money or outrageous ankle-flashing. I found a few in a second-hand bookshop last summer but that's been it for the past few years. Any Barbeloids who know of anywhere I could get back issues, or even have any that they wish to donate to a worthy cause (me) will be rewarded with...um...a serenade. Or a hearty cooked dinner. Or something.
 
 
Ierne
16:34 / 29.06.01
I grew up reading Vampirella.
 
 
weepy_minotaur
22:28 / 02.07.03
Lee/Kirby Captain America got me started reading comics when I was five, so thats always had a special place. theres an old ff story called "this man, this monster" that just absolutely knocks my socks off every time i read it. other titles i miss include the maxx,supreme,zen intergalactic ninja, tmnt(sorry), and marvel's g.i. joe and transformer stuff.
wow im a child of the eighties!
 
 
Spaniel
22:57 / 02.07.03
Good Christ, Death's Head is cool.

Used to fucking love Scream, but I can't seem to remember any strip other than The Thirteenth Floor. Can anyone get my memory juices flowing so I can connect to my geek circuit more fully?
 
 
sleazenation
22:59 / 02.07.03

Ahhh I love the mystery of the undiscovered country that is the back issue box... the eternal hope of finding something entirely unlooked for that is also a fantastic read...

There is a comic mart in London where one stall has a few boxes of indie comics for real cheapness and it is often where i go to try stuff i am curious about... I picked up Chester Brown's Louis Riel there, likewise Carla S. McNeil's Finder and a whole host of other goodies.

hey kids visit the back issue bins more often - you never know what you might find there...
 
  

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