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21st Century Chivalry *possible triggers*

 
 
Quantum
22:57 / 27.01.10
*This conversation may concern discussions of sexual assault*

So I was reading this blog Haus linked to in the Feminism 101 thread, a blog by Fugitivus (HJ) which had a thread titled "Stuff what boys can do" and it seemed to contain mostly stories about guys walking girls home or defending them from assault- it started me thinking about two things, firstly what can boys do *beyond* preventing rape or acting as impromptu bodyguards against other men, and secondly the Walk Home.

So imagine I'm a het white guy in the UK (which I am) and I'm at a party and a female-presenting friend of mine is drunk and/or otherwise intoxicated and wants to walk home alone through some dodgy neighbourhood or with someone dangerous. (By dodgy I mean 'In my opinion dangerous, likely to lead to attack if they walk home alone' and by dangerous I mean 'In my opinion likely to attack my friend').
What's the best action? I don't want to patronise my friend, but if they're drunk I don't want them to come to harm. Conversely if they were male-presenting I would not fear they would be sexually attacked, but the situation is less likely to arise as most sexual assault is male on female.

So I'm faced with a dilemma of etiquette versus concern, patronising versus chivalrous. I usually try and insist on accompanying vulnerable people home when I can (almost always women, so I'm being sexist in deciding who is vulnerable) and erring on the side of chivalry, but isn't that just another way of enforcing stereotypes that keep women perceived as vulnerable?

Where's the balance between helping and patronising?
 
 
Quantum
23:17 / 27.01.10
Crap, reviewing that initial post I should make it more clear that I do not want to take advantage of my friend and it is not a ploy, here's a great extract from the awesome blog-
"There were many times I saw boys offer to walk a girl home, or do other generally good things, but only if the girl was a) attractive and b) potentially available. Any woman who was spoken for and/or less attractive was pretty much left to her own devices."
 
 
astrojax69
09:13 / 06.02.10
i'd rekkun 'patronising' is doing it 'cause you make the assumption you friend is female-presenting and so assume danger without a genuine assessment of the risk - where 'helping' would be a genuine assessment of the risk of either male or female presenting and helping them if the situation deemed it necessary...

so, to answer the question in the thread summary, men should walk people home who need assistance... in all likelihood, that will be women more often than men, but could you forgive yourself if a male friend came to grief and you'd assumed he would be ok 'cause he's a bloke..?
 
 
Ticker
04:01 / 21.02.10
I sorta think people should walk people home, help with flat tires, sketchy moments, etc.

There's a lack of women helping other women, especially strangers. Not that all women are pure of motive either, but it would be a helpful thing for women to feel they could offer to help a stranger to safety.

In that there book 'Gift of Fear' the author does a good shout out that it could only be a good thing for women to feel confident extending an offer to help other women. It would be way less sketchy and way more win if a male presenting person and a female presenting person, or in fact most of the people present, took some accountability on board for one of their own. If you're good enough to drink with you ought to be worth some kindness and concern.


I wonder if as a concerned male could solicit some help from other people present as a way of not being ickmo? Rather than being the big gawddamn hero one could be the lookout.
 
 
haus of fraser
14:45 / 04.03.10
Thanks to fridgemagnet for bringing the this to my attention.

It turns out that M.O.D.O.K. is a clone of Donald Trump.
 
 
Haus Of Pain
15:00 / 04.03.10
I said badly prepared because most Asians that I know wouldn't dream of eating rice that wasn't sticky with chopsticks, for obvious reasons.
 
 
Haus Of Pain
15:00 / 04.03.10
We were crossposting, Bedders. Your point was taken.
 
  
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