BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


X-Men Origins: Wolverine

 
  

Page: 1(2)

 
 
Jack The Bodiless
11:09 / 09.05.09
It's a movie with kids in mind. The implication is that he's done plenty nasty things.

And no, Stryker specifically reminds him (and thereby informs the viewer) that he can't undergo the adamantium-injection process because he's not compatible. It's theorised that this is because his healing factor is less powerful than Logans so he wouldn't survive it.
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
14:00 / 09.05.09
So what if Stryker specifically reminds Creed? What is wrong with this reading of his explaination? The idea that Stryker is lying to Creed is actually a lot more palatable than some b.s. rationale for the process not working. Maybe I am just giving the screenwriters and filmmakers too much credit on this regard.
 
 
Benny the Ball
18:03 / 09.05.09
I think anyone who thinks there was more to this story than the excuse to sell toys, merchandise, video games and plumb sequels is giving everyone involved too much credit...
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
09:42 / 11.05.09
No, you're not giving them too much credit. You're seeing things in the movie that they didn't actually put in. Giving Wolverine the adamantium wasn't about having a cutesy toy soldier that they could manipulate, it was about having a guinea pig for the process that would eventually make Weapon XI/Deadpool. None of the other guinea pigs survived the process, Stryker was hoping Logan would due to the healing factor. Creed would not... otherwise they would have used him. They clearly foster Creed's 'kill-crazy rampages', having recruited him shortly after one, and actively encouraging them since then. No BS involved (well, no more than usual in a superhero movie, which tend to make a virtue of celebrating male adolescent wish-fulfillment fantasies).
 
 
Haus Of Pain
13:12 / 14.05.09
So i watched this last night and thought to myself...'this film needs a flush mechanism'.

Thanks Hollywood, now FUCK OFF.
 
 
Neon Snake
08:55 / 25.05.09
I didn't think there was a great deal wrong with this. Not the greatest superhero film ever, certainly, but not the worst. Essentially, I was looking for and expecting a couple of hours of a hairy-looking muscly fella fucking shit up and occasionally screaming "NNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOO" at the sky whilst on his knees with his arms flung back.

You can imagine my delight when they not only delivered that (in spades), but also gave me a scene of him moodily walking away from a huge explosion without looking back. Awesome (!!11!etc).

Wonky effects? Sure. Adamantium bullets as memory wipe plot device? Dodgy. Other than that...I thought it gave us what a Wolverine movie would be expected to.
 
 
Haus Of Pain
10:42 / 26.05.09
You can imagine my delight when they not only delivered that (in spades), but also gave me a scene of him moodily walking away from a huge explosion without looking back. Awesome (!!11!etc).

how depressing!
 
 
Neon Snake
14:46 / 26.05.09
Nah.

There's not much more that one could or should expect from something like this; especially having watched trailers. It lived up to what I expected from it. Had I been expecting anything else, I'd have gone to watch something else.
 
 
Jackie Susann
05:51 / 27.05.09
I totally agree, it did what I expected. Was really surprised by a bunch of reviews locally that said they wished it had more character development or complex ideas. Who are these people? He has claws that shoot out of his hands and magic healing powers, this isn't fricking Bergman, dudes.
 
 
Neon Snake
08:47 / 27.05.09
It would have been a better film, maybe, had it had better character development and more complex ideas. But, one could probably say the same about most films. Maybe, had it touched more overtly on mutant-as-Other, for example, it would have been better.

But, the lack of those things in an action movie doesn't therefore equate to "it's a bad movie". It was a simple genre film about the "conflicted hero", with all the relevant tropes gleefully employed, I thought.
 
 
Jackie Susann
10:06 / 27.05.09
Maybe I am being too simplistic, but to me, there are two types of movies - movies with complex ideas and character development, and superhero movies about dudes with magic powers who are compelled to fight evil. This is about as good an example of the latter as any, and it would not have been improved if someone had tried to make it an example of the former.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:28 / 27.05.09
I think this analysis is overly simplistic. It has no space for "My Super Ex-Girlfriend".
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:43 / 28.05.09
Complex ideas and character development surely?
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
16:39 / 28.05.09
You are close but your phrasing is wrong:

You wrote:

"Maybe I am being too simplistic, but to me, there are two types of movies - movies with complex ideas and character development, and superhero movies about dudes with magic powers who are compelled to fight evil. This is about as good an example of the latter as any, and it would not have been improved if someone had tried to make it an example of the former."

---
Why does that statement seem wrong? First, a movie about a person with magical powers who is compelled to fight evil is potentially a complex idea in itself. Second, a superhero movie could have some fantastic character development.

Where does "Unbreakable" fit in this? The film, despite the writer/director's decline into self parody, remains one of the best super-hero films ever made.

And, "Wolverine" doesn't fit the mold of tradition super-hero movies at all.

It is a borderline incestuous (Sabretooth: I am so mad at you for leaving me, Wolvie... Say, have you been working out) revenge drama of surrogate families and Darwinian/capitalist struggle (now, if the filmmakers had consciously realized this we might have a better film to watch).

[Actually, I think the real Rosetta Stone to the film is the wrestling scene, which brings about an amusing discussion of not just the politics and history of wrestling, its validity as a sport of fake stunts, its connection to comic books and super-heroes, the problems of steroid use and body modification (adamantium shrinks your ding-dong?), and the basic quality of low-brow fantasy of wrestling plotlines (Creed and Wolverine are just Kane and the Undertaker; or rather Wolverine is the face and Creed the heel).]

Other than deciding to free the mutants, Wolverine does absolutely nothing "heroic." In fact, the often casual warfare of the title sequence, is some kind of weird imperialistic fantasy/nightmare(...which if you also account for the Silver Fox character as a femme fatale, then you realize the film is also poorly stylized piece of film noir).

Furthermore, Wolverine leaves the unit in protest of their illegal work, but doesn't stop them from killing a bunch of innocent villagers. Not too heroic.

Plus how are movies "about" anything? Even if something isn't explicitly in the "text" of the film, it can still spark a debate about the film's broader cultural "where-abouts" in an almost never-ending chain of discussion...a la the blogsphere and weed influenced b.s. sessions with your mates or buddies.
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
16:58 / 28.05.09
Actually, to think of it. Isn't the plot of the film really close to the plot of "Monster Zero". Wrestling with rubber dinosaurs.

Wolverine: Origins: Wolverine submits an to experiment procedure to stop Creed. Only to discover a hidden motivation of Stryker and Weapon X. Manipulation is broken and the two mutants team up to fight the over-powered Deadpool.

Monster Zero: Earth submits Rodan and Wolverine to an experiment procedure to stop Ghidorah. Only to discover a hidden motivation of the aliens of Planet X. Manipulation is broken and the two monsters team up to fight the over-powered Ghidorah.

Plus monster Zero has more happy moments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hXVe0eKEFw
 
  

Page: 1(2)

 
  
Add Your Reply