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X-Men Origins: Wolverine

 
  

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yichihyon
23:31 / 15.12.08
Weapon X
Any thoughts on the Wolverine movie and trailer? I personally wish they'd make Miller and Claremont's original Wolverine mini series into a film.....

Wolverine Trailer
 
 
PatrickMM
02:57 / 16.12.08
Prequels almost never work, and Wolverine's usually more interesting when the origin story is an apocryphal mix of stories that leave you wondering, did he really fight in WWII, is everyone he randomly runs into an "old friend," or is he just bullshitting you? Watching this as essentially X-Men IV with a new cast, it could be okay, but I'm not expecting much.
 
 
Seth
16:31 / 16.12.08
The trailer smells of poo and wee.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
21:33 / 16.12.08
I think the absolute worst thing about it is that the name "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" means that we're in for more of this shit in the future.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
02:31 / 17.12.08
In defence of the trailer
(Even if it's a failure)
I would rather watch 'Wolverine'
Than bloody 'Australia'

11!
 
 
h1ppychick
12:09 / 17.12.08
STRONG TRUTH!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:40 / 17.12.08
It's odd, when I was a young boy this is precisely the sort of movie I wanted to see, now, as I fast approach middle-age, I realise that films made only for the enjoyment of genre fans are bad (yes I'm looking at you Star Trek Zero too).
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:18 / 17.12.08
But...but...but...they're mutants! Even with all of Logan's goofy backstory shenanigans, if I see this I'll end up wishing they'd just hired some actor to portray Charles Darwin, describing the process by which mutation occurs.

Short of Hugh Jackman making out on screen with someone playing Northstar, I'm just not sure I'm interested. Particularly if Gambit's in it, which I've heard rumours of.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:45 / 17.12.08
He's in that trailer.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:02 / 18.12.08
So, Brian Cox turned this film down did he? Or was it just that they needed a baddy that Wolverine would be allowed to kill? And did they agree to make this film in order to get Hugh to agree to (presumably) star in the Avengers film (on the grounds that everyone else in it will have had their own movies where they were the star)?
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
13:49 / 18.12.08
I didn't think the trailer looked ridiculously bad, but it's probably ill-conceived in general. The saving grace is that Jackman does a good Wolverine (the best fans could really hope for), but my god why can't they get Sabretooth right? Doesn't terribly difficult to find a hulking actor with some acting prowess. Mickey Rourke would have worked out well probably.
 
 
iamus
13:59 / 18.12.08
Was that Liev Schreiber?

Like, what?
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
21:30 / 22.12.08
Yeah, it was.

I have friends who are all excited about this but for them I have these two problems:

Ryan Reynolds.

The dude from Black-Eyed Peas.


Say what????
 
 
Dark side of the Moonfrog1
14:17 / 23.12.08
Ah, balls to the Wolverine movie!

Wolverine and the X-Men is where it's at, check this bad boy out:

Wolverine and the X-Men Trailer

According to a random TV listings site, it should (finally) be on the CBBC channel from 4th January...
 
 
Feverfew
14:51 / 23.12.08
Was that Liev Schreiber?

Like, what?


I'm happy there's someone else out there thinking that - not because it's a bad choice, but because there's an impressive disconnect (for me, at least) between "The person who directed Everything is Illuminated", and "The person who's playing Sabertooth".

As for Ryan Reynolds, yes, he can be a little irritating, but casting him as Deadpool is relatively inspired, because Deadpool is all about the irritation.

Now, having the Blob and repurposing Barnell Bohusk into something completely different, I'm not sure about.

But this is just an opinion.

On the Internet.
 
 
Liger Null
16:09 / 24.12.08
I didn't think the trailer was THAT bad. Though where was Barnell Bohusk?
 
 
Feverfew
18:01 / 24.12.08
I'm certain I saw a man doing the electric fandango in the originally leaked trailer - from the wiki:

* Dominic Monaghan as Barnell Bohusk: A mutant who can manipulate energy and electricity."


However, Emma Frost is now in the new trailer, so, well, if you like that sort of thing, go nuts.
 
 
iamus
21:22 / 24.12.08
Tyler Mane must be gutted.
 
 
HysteriX
16:17 / 06.04.09
CLEARING UP MISCONCEPTIONS WARNING POSSIBLE SPOILERS PLEASE DON'T BLOCK OUT!

1. Jubilee is NOT an original X-men, though i believe they show her a tiny bit in the background in an earlier X-men movie. (besides that she is one of the worst characters ever. created in the early 90's cartoon for the mallrats of the time.)

2. Gambit is NOT and Original X-men, though he is a slightly older character than Jubilee, first appearing in comics in August 1990. In NO comic, cartoon, or movie has it ever been eluded that Wolvy had some sort of connection with Gambit helping him free captured mutants. I think they wanted to introduce Gambit into the films, but didn't want to dedicate an entire film to him so they developed this storyline. Remy was once almost inducted in to HYDRA of which Silver Fox was once a member. He was also part of an evil doer group called The Marauders created by Mister Sinister, of which Sabretooth was also a member.

3. Scott Summers (aka Cyclops) was never kidnapped by the Weapon X program.

4. The Weapon X lab was located in Canada. Where Wolverine is from. I was surprised they didn't mention Alpha Flight. It was run basically by a mad scientist under the Canadian Government. Though the Grant Morrison comics add a lot to that storyline with Weapon Plus. The film makes it appear to be an American Military operation starting by Stryker, who had previously recruited James Howlett (Wolverine) and Victor Creed (Sabertooth) after the Veitnam War. Stryker had nothing to do with Weapon X in any other storyline. However this Stryker character did remind me of Nick Fury (also wears an eye patch) leader of S.H.E.I.L.D., which has had involvement with the Weapon X and Weapon Plus programs.

5. It was long thought that Sabertooth was Logans father but, in Wolverine: The End, by Paul Jenkins, it was revealed that Weapon IX was, in fact, Wolverine's older brother John Howlett (first introduced in Origin), long thought deceased. However, due to the inherent instability in the possible futures depicted in Marvel comics, it is unknown if this is regarded as canon, as the storyline depicted in The End is not considered canon. Origin is a six-issue comic book limited series published by Marvel Comics from November 2001 to March 2002. Origin tells the story of the superhero Wolverine, best known as a member of the X-Men. Since the character first appeared in the early 1970s his history had often been shrouded in mystery, with bits of information revealed piecemeal over time (notably in Weapon X), but this series was the first to reveal Wolverine's early days and his original background. The difference in the John Howlett aka Victor Creed aka Sabertooth character in the Wolverine film and the X-men trilogy may possibly be explained by the fact that he embraces his savageness, he was severly abused as a child, and he also suffers from severe bloodlust probably at least partly because the blood he consumed during his battle with the Wendigo. This physical change may also occur between the times of the films because mutated and/or enhanced several times by different people including the nija group The Hand, Mr. Sinister, probably the Weapon X program, a mutant named Birdie in an attempt to help control his bloodlust amongst a host of other happenings and causalities.

6. The Native Canadian Blackfoot women that Logan lived with, and had telepathic powers, was always thought to be Silver Fox, and that story she tells totally eludes to that (the trickster). However in the comics she has a superior healing power to Logans and does not have telepathic abilities. She is actually killed by Sabertooth twice. Interesting similarity, she kills the professor who had been in charge of the Weapon X program. She may still appear later.
Side note: Silver Fox was once a member of HYDRA an enemy of S.H.I.E.L.D.

7. The BIG discrepancy of Wolverines claws! In the comics his claws are part of his mutant abilities. As mentioned before, most dually noted in the issue when Magneto sucks or rips the adamantium from his bones. However I believe in one of the cartoon episodes from the early 90's the X-men go to an Island to fight Mr. Sinister and rescue some fellow Xmen. While on this prehistoric island something takes away the X-men's mutant abilities including Wolverine's. Whilst engaged in a powerless battle Wolverine shoots out his claws and says "Nothing mutant about these bub!". Which causes him great pain and he lets out a vicious yell.
Side note: Unknown to all, except Sabretooth, Mister Sinister was disguised as the head scientist at the Neverland facility, Doctor Robert Windsor. As Windsor, Sinister supposedly helped some mutants escape from Neverland, but he was only taking them to his own secret labs.
Another Side Note: Cable's son Genesis kidnaps Wolverine and attempts to re-bond adamantium to his skeleton. This is unsuccessful and causes Wolverine's mutation to accelerate out of control. He is temporarily changed into a semi-sentient beast-like form in which he gains greater physical power than ever before, at the price of part of his humanity. Eventually, the villain Apocalypse captures Wolverine, brainwashes him into becoming the Horseman Death, and successfully takes the adamantium given to Sabertooth and re-bonds it to his skeleton. Wolverine overcomes Apocalypse's programming and returns to the X-Men.

8. Deadpool never was that powerful, all of that was created in the film. The entire storyline of the Weapon X program taking powers from mutants and combining them in Deadpool was a new concept. This storyline goes against the Marvel Ultimate Alliance game, the comic books, and the new Hulk VS. Wolverine cartoon. What I don't understand in when he puts down gun usage in the beginning of the film. I have the first issue of Deadpool he uses alot of guns all the time. Swords, guns, agility and healing are his thing. Oh and talking a lot of sh@*.

9. The hidden ending after the credits is foreshadowing a sequel probably explaining the time between then and when Rogue finds Wolvy at the beginning of the first Xmen film. During this time Logan goes to Japan where he is highly trained in martial arts. He also falls in love and marries a women named Itsu. They have a child named Daken. Intsu is murdered by Winter Soldier and was following Romulus' orders.
However, even if in that ending clip he is just revisiting a place from his past, (which wouldn't make any sense.) Wolverine will inevitably face off against The Hulk. This is how Wolverine makes his first appearance in comic books. There is also two issues of What If where this occurs. One in which Wolverine kills The Hulk and one in which The Hulk kills Wolverine.

10. The title. X-men Origins: Wolverine. I don't like it either! It should have simply been called Weapon X. The Origins part of the title was probably inspired by the comic book series started in the early 2000's entitled simply 'Origins', which is about Wolverines early years. But I guarantee you FOX titled it this way for marketing reasons. Personally I don't strictly think of Wolverine as a X-men, but the general public does. Also the majority of viewing audiences would not recognize the term Weapon X. The thing is that FOX underestimates the intelligence of the general public. So much so, that they assumed not as many people would go see the film because they wouldn't know what it was about if it was titled what it should have been titled Weapon X. Even though the marketing campaign is pretty large and you can see Wolverine flying across the screen in the previews.

11. The leak! I would not be surprised if FOX leaked the work print on purpose. Knowing that mostly fanboys would be the only ones to view it and still pay money to see the finished product (I know I will). By inducing conversation and spreading info through word of mouth this creates a clever marketing technique and or campaign. And guess who's covering the story the most; FOX news!

All in all I enjoyed this film and can't wait to see the real finished product. Though I'm not thrilled with most of the changes made to the base storyline, I do like what they did with the Victor Creed and James Howlett relationship.
Keep in mind the great thing about comic books and other fictional stories is that they can change and evolve over time (because they are not REAL)!
Because the Marvel Universe is so vast and interchanging it's nearly impossible to fit certain chunks of it into film without making some changes.
I hope this helps.
 
 
Janean Patience
16:26 / 06.04.09
It helped me. After the keen minds of Barbelith read this, my fanboy rant about Watchmen should be completely forgotten.

Actually, I was an original X-Man. Seriously, for like two panels. I was the British one. But I nipped down the road for a pack of cigs - and I swear I told the Native American guy where I was going, and Don't leave without me - and next thing I know there's a sonic boom and a Blackbird disappearing into the sun. Hey, sometimes you miss out.
 
 
wicker woman
16:29 / 06.04.09
At the least, I think this trailer looks better than X3. Not that that's all that difficult.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
16:44 / 06.04.09
It was called "Origins" because if this is successful, Fox want to do a sequel (Hugh Jackman REALLY wants to do a Wolverine in Japan movie) as well as more "Origins" movies, starting with David Goyer's X-Men Origins: Magneto script.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:12 / 06.04.09
If that works, in five to ten years time, we'll be seing "X-Men Origins: Jubilee" hiting the theathers.

Fear it!
 
 
Feverfew
14:01 / 01.05.09
Well, ah... It's not the worst film I've seen.

It's certainly not the best. There are tiny wee plot holes that would have taken very little reshooting to iron out.

But the special effects were impressive. Unfortunately, when that appears to be the best thing to say about a film, well, damn.

However... "You take two of these to your ex-girlfriend's wedding, and they'll never forget you..."
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:30 / 01.05.09
CLEARING UP MISCONCEPTIONS WARNING POSSIBLE SPOILERS PLEASE DON'T BLOCK OUT!

1. Jubilee is NOT an original X-men, though i believe they show her a tiny bit in the background in an earlier X-men movie. (besides that she is one of the worst characters ever. created in the early 90's cartoon for the mallrats of the time.)

2. Gambit is NOT and Original X-men, though he is a slightly older character than Jubilee, first appearing in comics in August 1990. In NO comic, cartoon, or movie has it ever been eluded that Wolvy had some sort of connection with Gambit helping him free captured mutants. I think they wanted to introduce Gambit into the films, but didn't want to dedicate an entire film to him so they developed this storyline. Remy was once almost inducted in to HYDRA of which Silver Fox was once a member. He was also part of an evil doer group called The Marauders created by Mister Sinister, of which Sabretooth was also a member.

3. Scott Summers (aka Cyclops) was never kidnapped by the Weapon X program.

4. The Weapon X lab was located in Canada. Where Wolverine is from. I was surprised they didn't mention Alpha Flight. It was run basically by a mad scientist under the Canadian Government. Though the Grant Morrison comics add a lot to that storyline with Weapon Plus. The film makes it appear to be an American Military operation starting by Stryker, who had previously recruited James Howlett (Wolverine) and Victor Creed (Sabertooth) after the Veitnam War. Stryker had nothing to do with Weapon X in any other storyline. However this Stryker character did remind me of Nick Fury (also wears an eye patch) leader of S.H.E.I.L.D., which has had involvement with the Weapon X and Weapon Plus programs.

5. It was long thought that Sabertooth was Logans father but, in Wolverine: The End, by Paul Jenkins, it was revealed that Weapon IX was, in fact, Wolverine's older brother John Howlett (first introduced in Origin), long thought deceased. However, due to the inherent instability in the possible futures depicted in Marvel comics, it is unknown if this is regarded as canon, as the storyline depicted in The End is not considered canon. Origin is a six-issue comic book limited series published by Marvel Comics from November 2001 to March 2002. Origin tells the story of the superhero Wolverine, best known as a member of the X-Men. Since the character first appeared in the early 1970s his history had often been shrouded in mystery, with bits of information revealed piecemeal over time (notably in Weapon X), but this series was the first to reveal Wolverine's early days and his original background. The difference in the John Howlett aka Victor Creed aka Sabertooth character in the Wolverine film and the X-men trilogy may possibly be explained by the fact that he embraces his savageness, he was severly abused as a child, and he also suffers from severe bloodlust probably at least partly because the blood he consumed during his battle with the Wendigo. This physical change may also occur between the times of the films because mutated and/or enhanced several times by different people including the nija group The Hand, Mr. Sinister, probably the Weapon X program, a mutant named Birdie in an attempt to help control his bloodlust amongst a host of other happenings and causalities.

6. The Native Canadian Blackfoot women that Logan lived with, and had telepathic powers, was always thought to be Silver Fox, and that story she tells totally eludes to that (the trickster). However in the comics she has a superior healing power to Logans and does not have telepathic abilities. She is actually killed by Sabertooth twice. Interesting similarity, she kills the professor who had been in charge of the Weapon X program. She may still appear later.
Side note: Silver Fox was once a member of HYDRA an enemy of S.H.I.E.L.D.

7. The BIG discrepancy of Wolverines claws! In the comics his claws are part of his mutant abilities. As mentioned before, most dually noted in the issue when Magneto sucks or rips the adamantium from his bones. However I believe in one of the cartoon episodes from the early 90's the X-men go to an Island to fight Mr. Sinister and rescue some fellow Xmen. While on this prehistoric island something takes away the X-men's mutant abilities including Wolverine's. Whilst engaged in a powerless battle Wolverine shoots out his claws and says "Nothing mutant about these bub!". Which causes him great pain and he lets out a vicious yell.
Side note: Unknown to all, except Sabretooth, Mister Sinister was disguised as the head scientist at the Neverland facility, Doctor Robert Windsor. As Windsor, Sinister supposedly helped some mutants escape from Neverland, but he was only taking them to his own secret labs.
Another Side Note: Cable's son Genesis kidnaps Wolverine and attempts to re-bond adamantium to his skeleton. This is unsuccessful and causes Wolverine's mutation to accelerate out of control. He is temporarily changed into a semi-sentient beast-like form in which he gains greater physical power than ever before, at the price of part of his humanity. Eventually, the villain Apocalypse captures Wolverine, brainwashes him into becoming the Horseman Death, and successfully takes the adamantium given to Sabertooth and re-bonds it to his skeleton. Wolverine overcomes Apocalypse's programming and returns to the X-Men.

8. Deadpool never was that powerful, all of that was created in the film. The entire storyline of the Weapon X program taking powers from mutants and combining them in Deadpool was a new concept. This storyline goes against the Marvel Ultimate Alliance game, the comic books, and the new Hulk VS. Wolverine cartoon. What I don't understand in when he puts down gun usage in the beginning of the film. I have the first issue of Deadpool he uses alot of guns all the time. Swords, guns, agility and healing are his thing. Oh and talking a lot of sh@*.

9. The hidden ending after the credits is foreshadowing a sequel probably explaining the time between then and when Rogue finds Wolvy at the beginning of the first Xmen film. During this time Logan goes to Japan where he is highly trained in martial arts. He also falls in love and marries a women named Itsu. They have a child named Daken. Intsu is murdered by Winter Soldier and was following Romulus' orders.
However, even if in that ending clip he is just revisiting a place from his past, (which wouldn't make any sense.) Wolverine will inevitably face off against The Hulk. This is how Wolverine makes his first appearance in comic books. There is also two issues of What If where this occurs. One in which Wolverine kills The Hulk and one in which The Hulk kills Wolverine.

10. The title. X-men Origins: Wolverine. I don't like it either! It should have simply been called Weapon X. The Origins part of the title was probably inspired by the comic book series started in the early 2000's entitled simply 'Origins', which is about Wolverines early years. But I guarantee you FOX titled it this way for marketing reasons. Personally I don't strictly think of Wolverine as a X-men, but the general public does. Also the majority of viewing audiences would not recognize the term Weapon X. The thing is that FOX underestimates the intelligence of the general public. So much so, that they assumed not as many people would go see the film because they wouldn't know what it was about if it was titled what it should have been titled Weapon X. Even though the marketing campaign is pretty large and you can see Wolverine flying across the screen in the previews.

11. The leak! I would not be surprised if FOX leaked the work print on purpose. Knowing that mostly fanboys would be the only ones to view it and still pay money to see the finished product (I know I will). By inducing conversation and spreading info through word of mouth this creates a clever marketing technique and or campaign. And guess who's covering the story the most; FOX news!

All in all I enjoyed this film and can't wait to see the real finished product. Though I'm not thrilled with most of the changes made to the base storyline, I do like what they did with the Victor Creed and James Howlett relationship.
Keep in mind the great thing about comic books and other fictional stories is that they can change and evolve over time (because they are not REAL)!
Because the Marvel Universe is so vast and interchanging it's nearly impossible to fit certain chunks of it into film without making some changes.
I hope this helps.


It's not real.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:10 / 01.05.09
You know, I understand the whole PG-13 thing, but when, o when will we see a spec of blood in Wonverine's claw after he slashes someone? In fact , when will he slash someone? I see that the idea is to remove the blood so that the violence is not too graphic, but (IMHO), clean violence is worse thand dirty violence in the minds of kids. I mean, they should know ttah killing people is not a neat, clean thing to do, but rather a painful, dirty, ugly thing to see, don't you agree?

Anyway, the movie sucks. Too convoluted a plot that wastes too much time bringing mutants for cameos when they should focus on the few who matter (Wolvie and Sabrie, plus maybe Deadpool and the other from Weapon X, not the X-Babies. Certaily not Blob nor Gambit - the last deserving his own movie, if done right). On one side, tho, this movie being a bomb may be the bes thing that could happen to the next prequel Wolverine movie in Japan: perhaps next time they will get it right. And make the violence actually feel and look painful...
 
 
Benny the Ball
22:41 / 01.05.09
Well, that was bad. Started okay, but still, the forced bon hommie of Wolverine and Sabretooth wasn't that believable, the constant glances from Logan to Victor when he does something "bad" didn't work, they'd been together for over 100 years, fighting in different wars, and suddenly the way he shoots some nazi's makes him think something isn't right? Again the forcing characters in for no reason than marketing seemed the plan - and the effects really weren't good - the claws in the bathroom looked like something from Who Framed Roger Rabbit, the slashing of the fire escape looked awful, the back drops painfully CGI'ed and stop yoofing Patrick Stewart - it looks weird. Oh, and the wider shot of the kids getting on the helicopter from Remy's POV - looked terrible - they couldn't shoot that for real?

Anyway, hope you all enjoyed it too....
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
13:46 / 02.05.09
Bottom Line:
You known the film is in trouble when the wittiest, most symbolic character in the film is a spinning, severed head.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
16:21 / 02.05.09
It's not real

Oh come on ... you know that isn't true.

Maybe it's you that's the fiction? Have you ever thought about that?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:49 / 03.05.09
I think of nothing else.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
05:55 / 07.05.09
I thought it was a decent, empty headed action movie perfect for a summer night.

And to be honest, the origin here made a hell of a lot more sense than the overwhelming pile of bullshit that is the combined mess created by the writers of the 90's who felt that the mystery that was Wolverine's past needed to be made completely incoherent and impossible.

It reminds me of when I heard "Wolverine: Origin The Series!!" writer Daniel Way interviewed. He was asked if he had put together all of the past clues that have been dropped. He reply was basically that it didn't make any sense, no one had any idea what they wanted to do, and he was going to use what he liked and ignore the SHIELD robots, contradictory times and endless future crap.

He still can't write a decent story, but I agreed with him on that.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:34 / 07.05.09
I basically agree with you. And the fighting was good.

Shit, it was streets better than 300 and loads of 'lithers liked that.
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
00:22 / 08.05.09
I actually think that you are being a bit harsh on Daniel Way. He does write "decent" stuff. I like him because he lets the artist carry the story (which with either steve dillion or ron garney is nothing to worry about). The real criticism is that he is too minimalist a writer and is lacking a solid voice. But he is definitely "decent."
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:06 / 08.05.09
I thought it was ok. Quite a lot of fun. Better than X3 and Daredevil, about on a par with Spider-Man 3. And as someone else has just said - Wolverine's comics origins are so hopelessly convoluted, as you'd expect from a superhero comic but worse, that streamlining them into something coherent after all these years is something of a relief, frankly. Not that the film's coherent... it's not plotless, as some have said - in fact, unusually for a superhero movie it's got a good plot with a decent narrative throughline. However, the actual story-telling isn't very well-executed, and they left plenty of loose ends and unresolved motivational gaps, but at least with the mutant-loathing/loving Stryker the whole Weapon program had a purpose other than some random mad scientist schtick.

And I thought Liev Schrieber was an inspired choice. Casting an accomplished actor to play Creed (he's never actually called Sabretooth in the movie, right?) seemed like massive overkill to me before I saw the movie, but it's all in the delivery - look back at X-Men for a Sabretooth that can't act. Tyler Mane looks far more inpressive*, but there's a reason they only gave him one line. To be fair here, Schrieber's not really acting here, he's camping about outrageously, (apparently he originally trained to be a fight choreographer and loved the fight scenes) but then so is everyone else. It's a superhero movie.

Fundamentally, the only thing I want in a superhero movie is to be greater than or equal to a superhero comic in sheer turn-your-brain-off enjoyment. As most superhero comics are poorly-conceived, poorly executed dogshit that I feel cheated by when I skim-read them in Waterstones on a rainy Saturday, and most superhero movies manage to rise above the low bar the comics set, I'm fine with them. I watched Wolverine on the Orange two-for-one deal, and so paid £3.75 to see it on a biggish screen, and brought my own munchies. A decent X-men trade paperback (which are few and far between) will cost three times that and take less time to read. People talk about Hollywood executives making mincemeat of classic characters and storylines, but really Marvel in particular have done a bang up job of doing that on their own over the many years they've been milking their cash-cow concepts and products to death to stave off another Chapter 11. This Movie Marvel Universe has the potential to be their Crisis On Infinite Earths, to produce a Marvel Universe that, frankly, doesn't suck. Good good. Didn't work with Ultimates, maybe it'll work here.

* As a geeky aside, I liked how 'Jimmy' Logan is no match for Creed until he gets the adamantium, at which point Creed is no match for Logan. The plot tells us that Creed has failed some kind of compatability test for the process, hence Stryker needing Logan back in the fold, but with movie-Creed's competitive streak and need to be better than his half-brother, it also sets up a possible further experimentation which could give us the more monstrous Sabretooth seventeen or so years later.
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
00:44 / 09.05.09
I always thought that the only reason Creed didn't get the adamatium in this film is that he is found of what they call "kill-crazy rampages."

Wolverine, James, or whatever, is more like clay to be molded: easily manipulated and fooled. Where it not for the dumb faux-pas of speaking within Wolverine's hearing distance, then he would have let them erase his memory thinking he was going to get a treat or something like the shotgun scene in "Babe."

If Creed, the Bobby Peru of the X-Verse, got the adamatium he would have just killed everyone and walked away. But the promise of power would be enough to buy his loyalty for a time. Classic sith stuff.

By the by, Creed, if he is at all related to the movie version of Sabretooth, doesn't do anything completely irredeemable. He is just kind of an asshole with ptsd.
 
  

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