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Haruki Murakami

 
  

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Foust is SO authentic
12:30 / 23.09.06
An otherwise misanthropic friend of mine gave me his copy of Kafka just as I was leaving South Korea.

I've had to think long and hard about whether I preferred this or Wind-up Bird, which I had quickly proclaimed to be the best book I've read since LotR.

Murakami has become my new comfort author. You know, when you're stressed and need to relax... he's my go to guy.
 
 
aluhks SMASH!
21:00 / 07.10.06
Has anyone here read Blind Willow, Sleeping Woman, Murakami's new short story collection yet?
 
 
Dusto
12:54 / 31.10.06
Blind Willow, Sleeping Woman has one of my favorite short stories ever in it. It's called Dabchick. That said, I haven't read the collection yet.
 
 
Seth
01:05 / 12.11.06
About Blind Willow seeming uneven... I've not read it yet, but I have heard that it's collected from stories he wrote all the way through his career, from very early to brand new. Having just finished a hard-to-find translation of Hear the Wind Sing I can safely say that he does have some ropey stuff in his early canon. Amazing how fully formed he is thematically right from the outset, though.
 
 
Corey Waits
23:19 / 12.11.06
I've read After the Quake, which is a collection of short stories, Wind up Bird Chronicles and Underground.

After the Quake might be my favourite, just 'cause Murakami has the ability to distill all of the beauty of one of his novels into each short story.

WUBC has already been raved about in this thread, so I'll leave it at that.

I thought Underground was an amazing look at the culture and peoples of Japan. I'm not sure if it's entirely accurate (in regards to the picture it paints of Japanese society and culture, not the actual sarin gas attacks), but the guy that leant it to me had lived in Japan for a few years, and he seemed to think it was.

I've got Hard Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World lying around somewhere, but I haven't got around to reading it yet.
 
 
Sylvia
03:26 / 24.12.06
I just finished Hard Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World a few minutes ago. It's the first book of Murakami's I've ever read. I hadn't even heard of him until I recieved it as a Christmas present last year (left it lying on the shelf for a while). I'm going to look for Wind Up Bird Chronicles as soon as I have the chance.

I thought HBWATEOTW (phew) was lovely and funny and sad and wry, even if some parts felt like they were drifting by a little slowly. Some chapters of its 400 pages definitely felt like filler, although they were amusing filler. But I'm definitely glad that I finally read it.

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MAJOR MAJOR SPOILEEEEEEEERS









RUINING THE END OF THE BOOK SERIOSULY DON'T READ IT IF YOU DON'T WANT IT SPOILED SPOILERS


















The pages after the professor reveals what's going on and our protagonist decides to get out into the world for one last day in reality were agonizing not to blaze through in order to see how it all ended. I was surprised to realize just how much I cared for the characters after I read that explanation and started rooting for the hero to cheat it somehow. He almost made it. SO CLOSE. (I suspected it really would end up in the End of the World but he was right there! By the pool! On the second to last page!).

I liked how despite the proffessor's sheepish assurances of doom that the protagonist's mind was apparently on its way towards figuring a way out of the "tertiary" fantasy world anyhow. And the chubby girl and the girl from the library were great fun (In the end the protagonist's fate was sad but I feel worse for the girl from the library, who'll understand the least of what happened and will have had two men in her life depart unexpectedly on her now. They were having so much fun before the end too)

Also, was I the only one who wondered if the INKlings were real at all or just some weird made-up concoction/delusion of the chubby girl and professor for about 3/4s of HBWATEOTW? The INKlings intruded just a little on the flow of the rest of the narrative, but I loved the discoveries of the creepy alter and bas-relief of their ominous god-fish. If the mood took Murakami, I'd be interested in a seperate book on the INKlings and the rest of the weird underground. (While I am dreaming, please make it feature the chubby girl as the protagonist)



















































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Not having read very many novels from Japan, how exactly is Murakami considered a Western author by some people?

Thanks for the recommendation of Ghostwritten too - it looks interesting. I'll check it out once my current reading backlog has gone down to a managable level (and things are looking surprisingly good on that front).
 
 
The Prince of All Lies
18:38 / 24.12.06
I just bought myself a copy of Kafka for Christmas. I was a good boy this year. I'm saving it to read it on my vacation (I'll have to wait till february, though). I'm going to the beach, so I can actually read Murakami on the shore!
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
22:05 / 25.12.06
So, when I think "Haruki Murakami," I don't just, you know, say the words in my head. I practically shout them as some kind of samurai battle cry. "HARRRUKI MURRAAAAAKAAAAMMMI!"

Anybody else do that?
 
 
Seth
16:41 / 28.12.06
No, but every time I say the name "Terry Pratchett" I picture myself with a monacle and a pipe, wearing a dressing gown and slippers, sipping Earl Grey and taking potshots at indigenous peoples.
 
 
Internaut
15:22 / 11.01.07
Ive read Kafka on the Shore, The Wind-up bird Chronicle, and ive been planning on reading Blind Willow for a while now. i'll probably get to it stat.
 
 
The Falcon
23:20 / 14.01.07
After Dark is due in March, so the paper told me today. Already, I am internally revving for it.
 
 
The Prince of All Lies
15:40 / 25.02.07
Damn...Kafka on the Shore was good! It's stylistically closer to Wind-up Bird, given the alternating narratives and weird dream-like qualities. It was brilliant, but I think suffered a little with the Nakata-Hoshino angle, not that it wasn't good, but detracted from the clearly more poignant story, that of Kafka and Saeki.
Loved the military reports and the town for lost souls. The "entry stone" and the white worm were too out-there and lacking subtlety compared to Kafka's journey in the woods, but made some sense regarding "Johnnie Walker's/Kafka's dad" plans. It reminded me of Wind-up Bird, where the protagonist clubs his brother in law to death in a dreamscape, because he was an evil spirit or somesuch.
I still rank Norwegian Wood and South of the Border, West of the Sun as his best books, since they seem to be stripped of most of the magical aspects that permeate the other books. It's not that I don't like them, since both Kafka and Wind-Up Bird are all-encompassing works with metaphysical needs, but I tend to like the character-driven stuff more.
 
 
locusSolus
04:14 / 16.03.07
I enjoyed the Sputnik sweetheart and the dance dance dance. But I personally consider Haruki Murakami to be a little overrated... Lately some of his works began to read very similar to his earlier works.

But make no mistake about it, he is an amazing writer on his own right, and far better than most out there.
 
 
Dusto
13:01 / 16.03.07
locusSolus: I know what you mean about his repetition of themes, but it's interesting to me that you single out Dance and Sputnik as two yu like, since those are the only two that I haven't been able to get into.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
05:43 / 10.06.07
Here's a link to a review of After Dark. It sounds absolutely mouth-watering. I certainly hope it manages to explore Murakami's characteristic themes without being as schematic as Kafka turned out.

Damn it, why doesn't bittorrent work for books?
 
 
Tercerintento
06:58 / 14.06.07
I'm reading Kafka on the Shore at the moment. It's my first Murakami book and I must confess I'm having mixed feelings about it. The plot is mesmerizing from the very beginning, but the narrative style is quite disappointing.

Maybe it's just the English translation, maybe I feel too far away from Japanese culture, but I can't help feeling that the style is too plain.
 
 
Happy Dave Has Left
09:20 / 14.06.07
Tercerinto, I had the same feeling when I read 'Norwegian Wood' (although that's the only Murakami I've read). Sometimes it was almost Joycean in the 'and then' style. Like,

'Hiro took off his shirt because it was warm, then heated and ate some noodles. He popped the metal lid from a bottle of beer and drank it. The beer was cool. Outside, he heard a cat miaow.'

I can't help feeling as I read things like this that there is a subtlety and beauty in the original Japanese that I'm missing.
 
 
Seth
15:47 / 14.06.07
Murakami is pretty famous for emphasising the mundane details of life. Most of his characters spend most of his books just pottering around. And yeah, his prose style is very simple indeed. They're certainly not books for everyone.
 
 
Dusto
17:45 / 14.06.07
I would check out the books translated by Alfred Birnbaum. I think he does the best job of conveying the "cool" simplicity of the style. It reads more like Raymond Chandler than Raymond Carver when Birnbaum is translating.
 
 
Locust No longer
15:18 / 05.09.07
I just finished Kafka on the Shore last night. I found it fascinating, but ultimately I don't really know what it was about. I recognized distinct themes of memory and dreams and communicative power of music but I didn't understand the plot that well. I'm sure I wasn't reading it deeply enough... or maybe I was. I often find myself trying to find things that aren't there in books like this. Although, I've read that Murakami wrote it to be like an interconnected riddle that reveals itself differently to who is reading it and only become apparent over time. The problem is that I don't really want to invest much more time in it.

I also didn't enjoy his style tremendously, maybe I'm reading too much Pynchon and McCarthy or something to enjoy it right now. But I do want to check out more by him, simply to see what more of the hubbub is about.
 
 
Teppichkind
14:20 / 11.03.08
I read "kafka on the shore" after someone recommended it to me and i very much liked it. it was refreshingly diffrent in style and theme(s) from what i was used to.

i read "the wind-up bird chronicles" a couple of months ago and liked it very much, though it took me a while, for there are some tough parts that took me ages to read (in a series of picking up the book and putting it down again, after only having read half a page), but i still enjoyed it very much.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:25 / 28.08.08
I burned right through After the Quake on Monday after leering at it for months at work and in bookshops-- and I loved pretty much every second of it. As El Seth-ecto says upthread, "Super-Frog Saves Tokyo" is amazing, and may have made it up there with Marquez's "Light is Like Water" in my list of short stories I love.

How do people feel about the meta-fictional fragments that Murakami puts into AtQ? I was wondering about them because he manages to treat them with restraint, but I still felt they skirted the edge of being a little hokey -- which he can get away with, maybe, because all the stories in the book are so strong?

My next feat will be finishing The Elephant Vanishes -- I've read a couple stories in it but I've never sat down and read the whole thing.

And then I should probably read Wind-Up Bird Chronicle, as everyone I've spoken to seems to think it's his best...
 
 
Dusto
17:51 / 28.08.08
Wind-Up Bird was his mainstream breakthrough, but I think Hard-Boiled Wonderland is his best (and I think it's his own favorite), and A Wild Sheep Chase is like a tighter version of a similar story to Wind-Up Bird.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:38 / 28.08.08
I read "The Second Bakery Attack" and liked it. He manages to present a level of desolation to his landscapes without really coming out and saying it, and this was one story I felt definitely showed his Carver roots -- they could have been any of Carver's broke, despair-addled couples even with the surrealist larceny heaped on top.
 
 
museum in time, tiger in space
02:23 / 29.08.08
Personally, I like Sputnik Sweetheart best, although it's been a long time since I last reread it. Kafka on the Shore didn't really work for me - it felt kind of self-conciously, deliberately strange. After Dark was more fun, but seemed quite slight compared to his earlier stuff.

I find the short stories hard to remember, for some reason. I'm fairly sure I've read all of them, but they kind of blur together in my mind. I know I liked the title story of The Elephant Vanishes a lot, and I remember liking 'Hunting Knife'. Actually, looking at Wikipedia just now, I notice that The Elephant Vanishes and Blind Willow, Sleeping Woman contain work written over wide, overlapping periods of time, which I hadn't realised before. The Elephant Vanishes has stories that he wrote between 1980 and 1991, and the Blind Willow, Sleeping Woman were written between 1980 and 2005.

One of the things that has struck me about Murakami recently - or, rather, about British and American reviews of Murakami - is that a lot of the things that he's praised for, a lot of the things that are seen as most unique about him, actually seem to belong to a certain kind of Japanese literature. There are quite a few other writers, both contemporary with Murakami and before him, who write about the same kind of topics in a similar way. I'll maybe write a bit more about this when I get home and actually have books to look at (I'm terrible at remembering names).
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:58 / 29.08.08
I'm curious to see some of those names, museum-- my exposure to Japanese literature is fairly limited. Is there any kind of term for that particular strain of their literary culture? Murakami's crowd?
 
 
museum in time, tiger in space
12:59 / 29.08.08
I don't think there's a particular genre or group name, no. To be honest, I'm actually thinking of a fairly disparate group of authors, who would probably be either angry or just confused about being compared to each other. It's just that a lot of the things that seem most unusual when you first read Murakami - the qualities that he's often lauded as unique for, at least in the West - seem to crop up in a variety of other Japanese authors. It's the mood, I suppose. The matter-of-fact, simplistic style, the frequent use of a deadpan sort of first-person narration, and above all the way that the interior and exterior get confused, or blended. The way that you can't quite tell where the narrator's emotional state ends, and the outside world starts, or vice-versa. And these authors often seem to write about somewhat similar topics. Magical, or supernatural, or simply incongruous elements cropping up in the everyday world, or liminal characters or areas who seem to belong to more than one world.

Anyway, here's a couple of authors that you might enjoy if you like Murakami.

Banana Yoshimoto is probably just as famous as Murakami - perhaps more so domestically. She has a bit of a softer edge, with emotions taking a more prominent role, but seems to deal with similar themes. She mostly writes shorter fiction, apart from one very long and extremely meandering novel, Amrita. Lizard is a collection of short stories that would probably be worth trying if you enjoy Murakami's shorter pieces. Harboiled & Hard Luck is my favourite, though - two novellas, the first about a woman hiking through the mountains on the anniversary of her girlfriend's death who has a run-in with a deeply creepy little roadside shrine, and the second about a woman whose sister is in a coma.

Yoko Tawada is less well-known, although she won the Akugawa Prize in 1996. I've only read The Bridgroom Was a Dog, which is made up of three deeply strange stories. Here's the blurb for the title story:

...an offbeat cram school teacher tells her pupils a story about a little princess whose hand in marriage is promised to a dog as a reward for licking her bottom clean; only to have her own life turned upside down by the sudden appearance of a dog-like man with a predilection for the same part of her anatomy

Kobo Abe is from the generation of writers before Murakami's. He's most famous for The Woman in the Dunes, which I've never read. I have read The Box Man and Secret Rendezvous. Both of them definitely made an impression on me, but I'm not sure I could really claim to have enjoyed either. The narrator of the The Box Man is homeless and wears a large cardboard box over his head at all times. He spends the novel being stalked by various people who want to either shoot, seduce or become him. Secret Rendezvous is about a man whose wife is taken away by an ambulance in the middle of the night, although there's nothing wrong with her and neither of them called for an ambulance. He goes to the hospital, which is maze-like and mostly underground. He can't find his wife, but a man who always dresses in a horse costume appoints him to be the hospital's chief of security. I don't think I ever actually finished it; I remember finding it quite upsetting.

Out of the three of them, Banana Yoshimoto is probably the least odd, and also the closest to Murakami. I was going to mention a few other writers, including a couple from China who might be of interest, but I think that can wait for another time.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:06 / 29.08.08
I've read Yoshimoto before and I think I actually have a copy of Lizard somewhere in the piles and piles (and piles) of books that are stacked throughout my apartment -- borrowed from a friend a while ago, not cracked yet. I don't think I'd describe Yoshimoto as being that much like Murakami -- maybe to some extent, but I find her more spare.

Which is odd to discuss of works in translation, of course, and I haven't read Kitchen in a few years so I should probably reread before I shoot my mouth off (I seem to recall thinking she felt a little more gothic in a strange way).

The Box Man -- I actually think I looked at that in a bookshop once. I remember the bit about the cardboard box.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
23:21 / 05.01.10
***bump***

I've just recently discovered this man's wonderful prose (in translation - my japanese is barely enough to get me a cup of tea).

So far, I've read:
Kafka on the Shore
Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World
After Dark


I'm currently pawing my way through
Dance Dance Dance

on my bookshelf
Wind-Up Bird Chronicles

I really enjoy how he weaves his stories together, from disparate elements, with clues and hints that are so ephemeral that they aren't really giving anything away... even as they help bring the story together in a tight weave of narrative.
 
 
Haus Of Pain
08:00 / 05.03.10
Well I have no idea whether your core assertion is anything other than another barbexample of an "I reckon" argument, becuase you haven't given me any stats to get my teeth into. If you want the discussion to move away from your core assertion just let us know and point us in another direction (note: I'm aware you had a go at this earlier).
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
21:06 / 27.04.10
bobosss

is your post directed at me?

if so, eh?
 
  

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