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iamus
00:27 / 11.07.08
Well, no. I was simply reacting to having been misrepresented.

As was I. As I said in the PM. Both of us said things there that were patently untrue about the other. It's the snowball.

As for the shaming itself quote, my intention was to speak metaphorically of the general reaction. It wasn't intended to be specifically targeted at anyone, but I could definitely have chosen my words better.

This "peace and love" thing isn't a rhetoric. I'm not venturing into the ethical philosophy of anything if I can bloody well help it. This is just me (ask Life Critic or Proinsias), believe it or not, speaking what I think from stuff I've learned. That's all.

I'm really not going to get in a fight here, chief. Your opinion on many, many things is interesting to me. Your opinion on what I'm up to here really isn't.
 
 
iamus
00:34 / 11.07.08
If you were to ask me, I'd tell you what I actually am up to.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
00:40 / 11.07.08
Well, not exactly. You'd tell me what you thought you were up to, which may or may not actually be mirrored in what you were doing. Which is fine, except that if you're not interested in discussing that, which is also fine - in the sense that it's not a banning offence, if such a thing even exists any more, and it appears to be working out for you as a life plan - then that's just another iteration of a proclamation that is not open to discussion. Ultimately, I think one has to either acknowledge that there may be some virtue in putting one's beliefs in a place where they can be openly questioned and where that questioning would then be engaged, or question the desirability of expounding beliefs in the first place.
 
 
iamus
00:45 / 11.07.08
I acknowledge it, yeah. There's great power there, and that's how people grow ultimately. There's stuff you just have to go for sometimes because you know it, though. Confidence in ones own ideals is an important thing too.

I could tell you what I thought I was up to, if you wanted. Might not be what I'm actually up to, but seeing as it's me that's actually doing it, I'm probably the most reliable source.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
00:47 / 11.07.08
I disagree quite strongly with the idea that the person who is up to something is always the best judge of to what they are up. But, sure, shoot. I may have to drop out for a while, though - other matters.
 
 
Char Aina
00:53 / 11.07.08
I gave my opinion of the video post, and the reason behind that.

I expressed my opinion on the video and then explained it.
I can imagine flyboy posting such a video, which is why I thought the video fitting tribute. I can't think how to explain it more simply.

I don't understand the problem, Haus. Can we leave it alone now?
 
 
iamus
00:56 / 11.07.08
Well I really should have headed off to bed a while ago but I've stayed up because, well, I'm trying to get a bit of a better sense of you man.

As established, It's always possible that I'm wildly misinterpreting, but over the past day or two, due probably in part to Flyboy leaving, I feel like I'm catching glimpses of you that have normally been exceptionally well (but not always) guarded on Barbelith, and that's interesting to me. I'm not doing it for any malicious reason at all, but the interplay between who people are and what people do is the most fascinating part of them in my eyes.

I've most always felt when talking to you that there's a large wall of character in the way. That's entirely your call, and it's not my place to say that is the case, or that isn't, it's just my opinion and intuition. But in many ways, you're one of Barbelith's biggest secrets, and I find that fascinating. So excuse the playful probing.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
00:56 / 11.07.08
Life Critic: You mean, inside your head Flyboy would have acted shittily about someone else, so it was fitting that outside your head somebody would act shittily about Flyboy?

Fair enough. I think we can leave that where it lies.
 
 
HCE
01:05 / 11.07.08
This thread is turning into a brilliant example of what Barbelith could have been all along, if only people like Flyboy weren't around to fuck it up for others.
 
 
Tsuga
01:06 / 11.07.08
Old Trek!



Boy, that George Carlin was funny, wan't he?
 
 
Liger Null
01:07 / 11.07.08
This thread is turning into a brilliant example of what Barbelith could have been all along, if only people like Flyboy weren't around to fuck it up for others.

What, a Bickerfest?

I think that's what we should be moving *away* from.
 
 
Liger Null
01:10 / 11.07.08
Oh, and yes, Carlin was funny. He was one of the good ones, even if I didn't agree with him 100%.

It's funny how often I see right-wingers quoting him out of context.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
01:11 / 11.07.08
iamus: Well, if that's an interesting pursuit for you, I hope you have fun. But it doesn't tell me what you're up to, really - I mean, if Flyboy has actually left and does not take advantage of the opportunity to come back as an alien, a cyborg, a teenager and Iron Man, that's probably the most interesting thing that's going on here, and was presumably what attracted you to this thread. As brb said, rightly, his contribution to Barbelith, in terms of quality and length, is pretty much unrivalled, and the departure of same is a definite moment. The fact that that moment was appropriately counterpointed by what Barbelith is arguably struggling to become - a moment of pure and, more importantly, uninventive nastiness, and that this was subsequently apologised for and defended on grounds of its appropriateness in the face of an imagined alternative situation - well, that's interesting too.
 
 
iamus
01:12 / 11.07.08
Tis indeed.

Not what I was going for though.
 
 
iamus
01:14 / 11.07.08
Right, I really need to scoot off to bed now, sorry.

Have a good night, man. I'll catch you later, cool?
 
 
Char Aina
01:15 / 11.07.08
You mean, inside your head Flyboy would have acted shittily about someone else, so it was fitting that outside your head somebody would act shittily about Flyboy?

I meant what I said.

But I'll leave you to it, chief. You clearly value Flyboy and will miss him. I can relate to losing friends from this site, even if Flyboy is not counted among them. This is perhaps not the time expressing my opinions regarding him.
The departure of a friend is not a nice feeling, and I'm happy to leave you alone with it. I'm sorry I didn't stick with my original intention, and stay away from this thread.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
01:17 / 11.07.08
I don't think we're disagreeing. This is what you said:

I can imagine flyboy posting such a video, which is why I thought the video fitting tribute. I can't think how to explain it more simply.

I think that's an acceptable level of simplicity, at least for one of us to get what you're saying.
 
 
Char Aina
01:30 / 11.07.08
I hit post by accident above. There is an edit in which i thought would go straight through. In case it doesn't, it says:



But I'll leave you to it, chief. You clearly value Flyboy and will miss him. I can relate to losing friends from this site, even if Flyboy is not counted among them. This is perhaps not the time expressing my opinions regarding him.
The departure of a friend is not a nice feeling, and I'm happy to leave you alone with it. I'm sorry I didn't stick with my original intention, and stay away from this thread.


If/when it does, feel free to delete this.
 
 
Char Aina
01:32 / 11.07.08
I think that's an acceptable level of simplicity, at least for one of us to get what you're saying.

And on it goes. I don't want to play this game. I'm sorry your friend left the board. Goodnight.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
01:38 / 11.07.08

Hey, apparently George Carlin's not been well.
 
 
pony
01:48 / 11.07.08
hi everybody. it's my birthday (in the us, it's already passed in the uk). i just thought i'd post something neutrally off-topic and resist the urge to make this thread any more of an aggressive shit-hole.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
01:50 / 11.07.08
Passive aggression works too, dude!
 
 
pony
01:54 / 11.07.08
stoats, were you on /b/ during the whole "old /b/" thing where everyone was having a "final [x]" thread? this thread's current form reminds me a lot of that.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
01:58 / 11.07.08
It is a bit, isn't it?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
02:10 / 11.07.08
Meanwhile; I don't want to do this, but I have been possessed by the soul of my poor, lost Flyboy.

Why do you say that, man? What makes you think it's a game? What sort of game is it, man? Ker-plunk?


But seriously. Like I say, I think you're right to be sorry, LC. It wasn't a good place to post, and it wasn't a good message to post, and the wriggling subsequently has not been edifying. In the greater scheme of things, it doesn't really matter, which is something of a comfort, and I don't plan to give into my grief (weeping, rending of garments, self-harm in a slightly sexy way) until I am pretty sure that it will be rendered totally bathetic by Flyboy returning as the aforementioned alien, cyborg, teenager and Iron Man. I don't think there is a good way to spin the fact that Barbelith's lack of administration and descent into disrepair (outside the Conversation, the bit of Comic Books about Grant Morrison and the bit of Film, TV and Theatre about Dr Who and superhero movies), and the dilution of its original mission to the point that about eight people ended up trying to deal with every outbreak of the stupid offensive shit that had been notionally engineered out of the place eventually drove someone who was there pretty much from the start, who posted prodigiously, who generated threads and content and who even at the death was still making posts that were either amusing or apt or both (according to independent witness brb) was eventually driven, essentially, feral. Arguably the problem here is not what Barbelith is becoming but rather that it was ever anything else to start with, and that's difficult, of course, because you can't really change the past. You can, theoretically, alter the course of the river, but, you know, it's a river. There are very good and convincing reasons why it runs in a particular channel. And that is often a very good thing for the people whose lands are irrigated by the river, although admittedly not so much for those whose lands are not.

All good clean fun, of course, until somebody comes back as a cyborg and destroys Coast City.
 
 
pony
02:10 / 11.07.08
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
02:22 / 11.07.08
Oh, I can completely agree with Haus about being sad to see him go, if that's what's happened, and for all the same reasons. But it's hardly like it's the first time, is it?

Anyway, I for one would be glad if Fly came back again. Not sure he would, mind you.
 
 
Char Aina
02:47 / 11.07.08
It wasn't a good place to post, and it wasn't a good message to post, and the wriggling subsequently has not been edifying.

I don't see why you need to perpetuate this. Please stop trying to get a fight out of me. I don't want one.
 
 
HCE
05:12 / 11.07.08
Toksik, is there anything at all that would induce you stop bringing up people's off-board personal lives and relationships on the board, or are you just utterly incontinent?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
05:15 / 11.07.08
Dude, nothing could be further from my motivation. I'm just sharing my opinion, even if it's not the most popular opinion to share and, indeed, even if it is not in my interests to hold it. I would go so far as to say definitively that I do not want to get a fight either out of or indeed into you. At this point, most of my energies are directed towards getting the Hell out of Coast City. I think we can agree to disagree on whether the wriggling has been edifying or less so.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:41 / 11.07.08
Oh, hundredth post!

Which I want to use to apologise for that first crack about Bill Hicks. I was always planning to go back and edit it into something a bit more complete about the danger of applying hagiography to left-wing firebrands, and in particular in substituting a line for a position (the map is not the territory, sort of thing), but, really, things rather got away from us.

So, sorry about that.
 
 
Char Aina
11:48 / 11.07.08
Are you talking to me, brb? My name's not toksik, it's Life Critic. Nobody has been called toksik for a while now.
What off board life stuff am I discussing?

Haus; if you don't want to perpetuate, why call it wriggling? Why take my apology and add your own editorial to it? You clearly do enjoy this shit, and I don't. Leave me out of it.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:01 / 11.07.08
Oh, and we were all ready to move on.

I'm calling it wriggling because in my opinion, which is just my opinion and which you are free to accept or reject, it's wriggling. You're looking for the last word here, again in my subjective opinion based on the application of my reason to the perceived evidence, and honestly you are a lot more persistent and a lot less busy than I am so I imagine that in the end you will get it, but this will prove little beyond those two qualities.
 
 
iamus
13:01 / 11.07.08
Honestly LC? I think you're doing just as much to perpetuate this, whoever it is that's in the right here. It's reading very much like a series of last words on both sides. I don't see it doing either party anything of use.
 
  

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