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Wm Gibson and friends

 
  

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rizla mission
09:55 / 21.09.01
Is Jeff Noon cyberpunk? Cos I can't say enough good things about him..

ooh - theory that just popped in to my head;

Noon was to '90s SF what Gibson was to '80s Sf. Discuss.

(Except that nobodys taken the lead in writing second rate ripoffs of Vurt yet..)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:17 / 21.09.01
I could have sworn I heard Chris Cunningham was involved in the Neuromancer film. Oh well.

Teela: gotta say 'Red Star, Winter Orbit' was my least favourite story in the collection, and doesn't leave me with much desire to read Bruce Sterling...
 
 
straylight
13:00 / 21.09.01
The last I heard about the Neuromancer film had Chris Cunningham still involved, but that feels like it was ages ago.

Did anyone else have a problem with the way that Trinity in The Matrix was such a complete Molly ripoff? It drove me batty. Except, well, the fact that Trinity isn't nearly as cool.

How The Matrix rips off Neuromancer is really a thread all its own, though.

[ 21-09-2001: Message edited by: straylight ]
 
 
YNH
14:17 / 21.09.01
Pin et al: Agrippa (no pictures though, and I swear they used to be out there)

You must read Schismatrix (Bruce Sterling) and Synners (Pat Cadigan.)

Gibson's only comment on The Matrix (which incidentally rips off everything from Uri Geller to Ghost in a Shell) was "They've certainly read their Gibson."
 
 
Sam Lowry
15:03 / 21.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Pin:
Any other cyberpunk books people can recomend?


Well, if you haven't read it already, I suggest Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash. Awesome, addictive stuff . Completely different style from Gibson's.
 
 
YNH
15:20 / 21.09.01
Flyboy, I think maybe Scismatrix is the only Sterling work that I'd say you should read even if you think he sucks. It's bound to change your mind; in which case you'll ppick up another book and be sorely disappointed again. RS/WO was pretty damn bad, wasn't it? I think we're on the same wavelength here.

I read Stephenson's stuff over winter break last year... I dunno... it was okay...
 
 
Azrael Z
19:40 / 22.09.01
Gibson is the best, and could probably add too much.
But limiting myself to just a few things:
1.Cunningham is linked to Neuromancer - see some of his work (and look forward to his workj on Aphex Drukqs) at http://www.director-file.com/cunningham
2.was'nt it Blade Runner rather than Tron that drove him to tears?
3.read everything by stephenson! (Diamond Age and Crytonomicon);
4. what about The Differenec Engine? - v.v.good;
5.Gibson's writing and master of narrative is especially good in the Sprwl trilogy (not so great in the later novels) - like the use of language and imagery esp in Count Zero.
6. what about his Aliens III script! - see http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/2393/wgalien3.txt (although appears editted and is still better than the final version of Aliens 3).

Enough of that I think for a newbie (in fact oldbie )

[ 22-09-2001: Message edited by: Azrael Z ]
 
 
Pin
19:50 / 22.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Rizla Year Zero:
Is Jeff Noon cyberpunk? Cos I can't say enough good things about him...


Agreed, though that said I've only read Pixel Juivce, Automated Alice and Needle In The Groove, but they all fucking ruled! In respnse to the question that doesn't have much to do with the thread, I don't think he is to the '90's what Gibson was to the '80's. mainly cos Noon just isn't as influential, and seems more about fucking with language (what was the name of the character who was basically Noon in Automated Alice who wrote love peoms to Enligsh?), raher then concepts of the future. Personally, this is why I love the mans work, even when his experiments fail (Need didn't work that well, and Cobralingus left me cold when I flicked through it in Ottakers a while ago).
 
 
Clavis
02:13 / 23.09.01
Hmm... it's interesting that, except for a quick flash from Nina, no one has even mentioned Neal Stephenson. I'm brand new here, so I've no idea if there's some widespread antipathy towards him. Hopefully not...

For those of you who haven't given NS a try, I highly recommend Snow Crash. It's cyberpunk with a sense of humor.


Clavis
 
 
Higher than the sun :)
07:49 / 23.09.01
Nympmation is a Brillaint book, more PKD than WG. Vurt is WG. So Noone straddles both camps
Whacked out hippy and Dystopian futurscapes.

The Sprawl trilogy (or quatet if you count Buring Chrome) Are a good 80 sci-fi reads. The only small critism I can level at WG is-
He tends to wrap up a whole book in 2 or 3 pages leaving a lof of plothreas dangling. More specificaly Count Zero which I like more than Mona Lisa Overdive. Nuromancer though. Neuromancer is like your first Acid Trip, theres nothing else like it.
 
 
YNH
15:58 / 23.09.01
Cyrptonomicon was better than either Snow Crash or The Diamond Age (or the rot he wrote in grad school). SC was funny, but that's about all: all dangly and macho. DA was a pretty cool idea that ended badly and had a fairly terrible middle; sort of like Dick's A Scanner Darkly.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
23:22 / 23.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Monica:
He tends to wrap up a whole book in 2 or 3 pages leaving a lof of plothreas dangling. More specificaly Count Zero which I like more than Mona Lisa Overdive.


I still don't understand quite what was going on in Mona Lisa Overdrive. And I'm not that thick. I mean, Continuity: what/who the fuck?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:39 / 24.09.01
Hmm... I love the Diamond Age but I think that's because of the concept rather then the writing (because the middle is awful). Nymphomation is my favourite Jeff Noon... I always get bored during Automated Alice, I think I've managed halfway through and given up about three times. I get the sense it's a very good book but I just can't quite manage it
 
 
captain piss
17:48 / 24.09.01
heh- I really like a comment I read on the back of one of the Jeff Noon books: "An episode of Scooby-Doo directed by William Burroughs".

Just as an aside - a warm-hearted and subtle take on the whole cyber genre, which I’d really like to recommend, is a book called ‘Halo’ by Tom Maddox, a mate and co-writer of Gibson’s, which is a kind of head-hurting-meditation-on-AI meets love-story (awwwww).
Central to the action is a kind of orbital man-made biosphere thing, at the heart of which is a Gaia-like AI mind with a god-like level of awareness (and there’s lots of fascinating monologues where it ponders it’s own existence). It encourages the semi-sentient AI-based electronic assistants, which almost everyone owns in the mid 21st century, and that oil the wheels of human existence, to become more self-aware, artistic and to pursue their own ends. The woman scientist who helped design the vast supermind thing is trying to keep her ex-partner (also some kind of cyber-scientist type) alive in a VR simulation by this supermind, which guides the humans and AIs onwards into more of a symbiosis, and beyond the mental/emotional boundaries of both.
But it’s also got quite a music/fashion sensibility, like Gibson, and enthusiasm for everyday stuff, like when the personal AI assistants of two of the main characters meet up in virtual reality to plan their lives behind their backs and it tells you what clothes they’re wearing and fags they’re smoking.
Whoops - think I might have over-egged the pudding a bit on this one- trust me guys, it's a good read. I now feel like one of those parka-clad D&D enthusiasts from Fry & Laurie that stand outside Forbidden Planet and talk over-excitedly while spitting everywhere.
It’s hard to find in print now but is available [url= http://www.foo.ro/books/Halo.html]here[/url]

Maddox apparently co-wrote the X-files episode with Gibson, the one that has Moulder reading porn and being attacked by kung-fu kicking nurses in a psychiatric hospital (or so I read - haven’t seen the episode)
Anyone else come across this??
 
 
YNH
17:54 / 24.09.01
"Kill Switch"? I have two copies. It's not as cool as it sounds, but it's loaded with gibson stuff...
 
 
rizla mission
08:52 / 25.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Meme Buggerer:
heh- I really like a comment I read on the back of one of the Jeff Noon books: "An episode of Scooby-Doo directed by William Burroughs".


hahahahahaha...

About as accurate as claiming it's an episode of Quincy directed by Iggy Pop, but funny nevertheless.
 
 
priya narma
13:52 / 25.09.01
**name changed in honor of this thread**

neuromancer and count zero are two of my all time favorites. for some reason i always picture the boxes in count zero as resembling nick bantock's "drawers" in the Egyptian Jukebox.

several years ago neuromancer came out as an audio book read by the man himself. i bought it with great haste, took it home, popped in the first cassette and had to turn it off in less than five minutes. that (southern u.s. + canadian?) drawl of his just totally freaked me out and i couldn't get into the story...

i think that his offerings lately, while still good, lack the layers that made neuromancer and cz great. i can still go back and re read those two and find bits and pieces that i forgot about and they still amaze me. and burning chrome...does anyone else love his story titles ('fragments of a hologram rose' ,'the gernsback continuum' and 'hinterlands')?

incidentally, i can't remember which book this is in (i want to say count zero, though) there is a mention of one of the best meals ever..."the breakfast of cowboys" - sticky rice, eggs (sunnyside up or over easy....cause ya gotta have the runny yokes) and soy sauce (shoyu)...all mixed up together. yum

"love you cat mother".....
 
 
John Adlin
05:36 / 06.10.01
Just finsihed reading Snow Crash. Brilliant. Ok maybe not he best writtm book, but for a debut amazing and whais more is the concepst behind the book:- Sumaerian history, laguange, memes, viruses. Sounds a bit like The Invisibles to me.
 
 
Hush
18:30 / 21.11.01
Like this 1

Acting thread monkey
 
 
John Adlin
05:00 / 22.11.01
Update-Snow Crash was Neal Stephensons first Cyberpunk novel but he also wrote a book alled ZOdiac before that, described on the back as a eco thriller. Anyone who has any small intrest in envormental issues should read it.

JUst read The Diamond Age-its ok but a litte to full of plot devises that seem to go nowhere.
 
 
uncle retrospective
08:28 / 22.11.01
Zodiac is his best novel I've read but is full of some really dodgy plot holes.

Snowcrash is ok. Some nice ideas but there is something about it that put my teeth on edge in a bad way. Maybe the WW2 nonsence that doesn't fit any sort of normal timeline.

The Diamond Age had a few ideas but again left me cold. I just didn't give a toss if it all worked out or not.

I haven't worked up the intrest to read the cryptonomician even though I bought it about a year ago.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
13:07 / 26.11.01
Originally posted YNH

"I can't remember the page numbers, but Gibson describes "dub" music in Zion (the dreadhead space station where they transfer to the Marcus Garvey and hook up with Malcom.) Two good annotations right there."

I can't swear to it but I think Dub music existed before Gibson wrote about it.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:06 / 26.11.01
Of course it did. It came out of Jamaica in the mid 70's, for God's sake. Gibson just referenced it (as did Moore in Watchmen), 'cause they both thought it was hip and cool and future.
 
 
YNH
19:14 / 26.11.01
Which I mentioned in the post from whence TRB quoted... But the existing dub music (even today) and what Gibson describes never struck me as the same thing.
 
  

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