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ONLY NICE THINGS
09:37 / 30.04.02
Just finished "Howl's Moving Castle", which rocked like a cock sock, and am now rereading von Clausewitz.
 
 
Knight's Move
10:50 / 30.04.02
Working through some Kate Chopin and Flannery O'Connor short stories, Sister Carrie by Theodore Dreiser, William Faulkner's Light in August, Skelton and Wyatt's poetry and satires on court, also looking for Sam Greenlee The Spook Who Sat by the Door. Have just finished again Tim O'Brien's If I Die in a Combat Zone and Going After Cacchiato, and Michael Herr's Dispatches.

I do do an English degree though...

For fun I've been reading Colin Wilson's massive tome The Occult, and Anthony Sampson's The Arms Bazaar. Yes, for fun I turn to non-fiction about the international arms trade. Then again, as a kid I always used to love reading reference books and books about war, so maybe it's not a reaction against being forced to read 'classic' works of literature but rather a desire to return to childhood by becoming a nerd again...
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
12:28 / 30.04.02
Jonathan Coe, The Rotters' Club, excellent so far. Jonathan Coe quite possibly better than Will Self.
 
 
The Natural Way
15:14 / 02.05.02
England's Dreaming. Is good. I like.
 
 
that
15:48 / 06.05.02
Getting through 'Weaveworld', albeit unbelievably slowly. Guess I am just not cut out for Clive Barker...it is a very good book, but I am having to force myself with it. I am probably just lazy...not to mention there is a bundle of other stuff I ought to be doing. Next I have 'All She Wanted', by Aphrodite Jones (I think)- the Brandon Teena story, basically, which I've wanted to read for ages... I've ordered 'My Gender Workbook', which I plan to go through whilst on holiday next month (hooray!). And, today, 'House Corrino', presumably the final 'Prelude to Dune' (and yes, I have read all the other Dune books... the preludes are kind of like the preludes to Star Wars... if you are a fan, you want to know - it's unavoidable, imho).
 
 
Utopia
23:10 / 06.05.02
done with school and gearing up for some summer fun with Greek philosophy! all the classics, people!
 
 
YNH
06:00 / 07.05.02
Rereading Crack Wars: Literature, Addiction, and Mania, Box Office Poison is slowing halfway through, and Gnarl! - Rudy Rucker's "this is everything" short story collection.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
11:53 / 07.05.02
I started reading The Northern Lights (for some reason, the whole Pullman trilogy of books was lying around my house. I think my Dad read them.) and I thought it was so bad I had to put it down and gag. Is it worth me trying to persevere?
 
 
Trijhaos
14:49 / 07.05.02
Yes! Oh yes! Read it! It gets more interesting in book 2, with the introduction of Will. Things start falling together and you start getting a better view of what's going on.

Did the armoured bears not intrigue you?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
16:13 / 07.05.02
It was just so badly written I could not bear to read it. I will try and carry on. Maybe.
 
 
Trijhaos
16:31 / 07.05.02
Of course it was badly written. Its marketed to young adults. You just need to set aside your need for well written fiction and have fun with it. Turn your brain off and just enjoy Lyra's journey.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
17:47 / 07.05.02
But. it's. so. painful.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
17:58 / 07.05.02
Just finished Hell's Angels by Hunter S. Thompson, and I'd recommend it, even to those put off by his later style.

Reading John Fante's Ask the Dust right now. Kind of like Nathaneal West with a Freudian twist.
 
 
Trijhaos
17:59 / 07.05.02
What problems with the writing do you have exactly?

If you can get past your problem with the writing, you may enjoy the story. Its actually fairly sophisticated for something marketed towards young adults.
 
 
Aimes
19:10 / 07.05.02
Just finished 'Advanced Mythology' by Jody Lynn Nye - fun, if a little predicatable; and am just about to start 'The Mafia' by Claire Sterling
 
 
ephemerat
07:59 / 08.05.02
Northern Lights badly written?

Sorry, but I'm frankly baffled. Having just finished reading it myself I could well level several minor complaints and noticed at least one glaring error, but... badly written? Shurely not.

The prose was slick, inventive and evocative, the characterisation was strong (if occasionally simplistic) and both the wealth of ideas and the attention to detail were extremely impressive. I'm looking forward to the sequels.

If nothing else it pissed on those Potter books from a geo-stationary orbit...
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
16:09 / 08.05.02
However... Ursula Le Guin is serious competition for Pullman... I've just read the new Earthsea book, The Other Wind, and it is just as good as the others in the series - and deals with many of the same ideas as Pullman but without the over-egged puddingy parts or (cough) bizarre creatures. Parts of it are strikingly similar, but since she must have been writing it at the same time that Pullman was writing The Amber Spyglass I doubt there's any plagiarism going on.

Ursula Le Guin rocks.
 
 
Ariadne
18:08 / 08.05.02
The Impressionist by Hari Kunzru, as a bit of light relief from Ulysses. And it was okay. It's got some interesting perspectives on identity and race and 'passing', but it seems to swing between being an intelligent gentle comedy and a Tom Sharpe knockabout farce. Which doesn't really work, I didn't think. But I read it in two days (off work, feeling grotty) so it's not all bad.
 
 
Ierne
18:32 / 08.05.02
For fun I've been reading Colin Wilson's massive tome The Occult...– Knight's Move

That is a fun one. I have to re-read it sometime.

Right now I've started on an old textbook called Roman Civilization – Sourcebook 1: The Republic. It's neat because it uses excerpts from Classic Roman authors (Pliny, Cicero, Livy, Plutarch, etc.) to discuss various aspects of Roman history – letting the Romans tell their own story, so to speak. Because many of the ancient historiographers tended towards economy with the truth (for various reasons), there's a modern narration of sorts discussing what most likely happened .
 
 
straylight
21:30 / 08.05.02
Of course it was badly written. Its marketed to young adults.

Trijhaos, why are you so convinced that books marketed to young adults must thereby be badly written?

I am resisting my urge to get madly defensive about this point until I at least ask where you're coming from.

As for current reading, I swept through a pile (for me, anyway; reading for work keeps me from finishing as many books as I'd like) last week: The Basic Eight by Daniel Handler, which I just couldn't put down for its sharp pretentious clever snotty high school students; Neil Gaiman's Stardust, which is a lovely story but cripes, you want to talk about not-so-great writing?; I Capture the Castle by Dodie Smith, which I didn't fall in love with quite so much as I was led to think I might, though it was fun; and now I'm in the middle of Ian McEwan's Atonement, which makes me feel swept up and drowned but is really good.
 
 
Trijhaos
21:43 / 08.05.02
Trijhaos, why are you so convinced that books marketed to young adults must thereby be badly written?

Lack of experience? I never really read any books markedted to young adults. I kind of jumped from the likes of Dr. Seuss straight to Robert Jordan and Piers Anthony.

I'm sure there are some extremely well-written books marketed towards young adults, but I never encountered them.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:43 / 08.05.02
I never really read any books markedted to young adults. I kind of jumped from the likes of Dr. Seuss straight to Robert Jordan and Piers Anthony.

Ah. Real quality writing then...
 
 
Trijhaos
22:51 / 08.05.02
Ah. Real quality writing then...

I was 8 and those were the only books laying around the house that looked interesting. I know it's not quality writing. I mean Jordan can't write a chapter from a woman's perspective to save his life and Anthony's books are filled with horrible puns.

Dr. Seuss, on the other hand, was one of the best writers out there.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
23:40 / 08.05.02
Northern Lights badly written?

Sorry, but I'm frankly baffled. Having just finished reading it myself I could well level several minor complaints and noticed at least one glaring error, but... badly written? Shurely not.

The prose was slick, inventive and evocative, the characterisation was strong (if occasionally simplistic) and both the wealth of ideas and the attention to detail were extremely impressive. I'm looking forward to the sequels.


Well, it just didn't read well to me. It was worse than Tolkien. I felt as if I was reading someone's GCSE creative writing question.

I mean - to be fair, I didn't read that much (didn't feel as if I could go on). But might give it a second shot.

And, hang on, are these kids books? Because, if so, I didn't know that...
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
14:14 / 09.05.02
Oop. I may have judged a bit too harshly a bit too quickly. But seriously, I was so put off by the first parts I read, I nearly didn't even give it a chance. Well, I'm giving the bastard a go now...
 
 
deja_vroom
15:05 / 09.05.02
Right now I'm reading "A History Of Sin" by Oliver Thomson. It's an objective study of morality through time, and the way societies relate to and change their ethical concepts of Good and Evil. And it's just as good as it sounds.
 
 
Baz Auckland
23:07 / 09.05.02
Just finished "Suzy, Led Zeppelin, and Me" by Martin Millar. Loved it. The book is centred around the author going to see Led Zeppelin in Glasgow when he was 15 in 1972. The descriptions of being 15 and the excitement and experience of listening to Led Zeppelin brought back some great memories. I've been listening to nothing but Led Zep for 5 days now. 3 chapters on when they played Stairway to Heaven live! Short chapters, but still!

Now reading: The Black Album by Hanif Kureshi. 3rd or 4th of his books that I've read now, and I do enjoy them.
 
 
straylight
03:19 / 10.05.02
Trijhaos, there is SO much more out there for young adults. It's easy to say that there's a lot of crap, but it's just as easy to say that there is a lot of crap SF and pop-lit and romance and everything else - it's just taken for granted, perhaps, in those categories.

That said, I think Pullman is a good writer. Ursula leGuin's Earthsea series was originally published for young adults - that's why The Tombs of Atuan was a Newbery honor book, though I never had any idea that was the case when I read them as a youngster. I was WAY into the Xanth books, but there is so much that Anthony's easyslick writing doesn't compare to. Lloyd Alexander's Chronicles of Prydain. The Hounds of the Morrigan by Pat O'Shea. Garth Nix's Sabriel and Lirael and Shade's Children. Francesca Lia Block almost made me love Los Angeles from all the way across the country. Audrey Coloumbis's Getting Near to Baby was heartbreaking. Speak by Laurie Halse Anderson transcends a lot of age levels; The Hero and the Crown by Robin McKinley was published both as a Newbery-winning YA novel and and adult fantasy novel. And last but never least, Louis Sachar's recent Holes is brilliant.

In a lot of cases, the vocabulary in a YA novel might not be the same as that in an adult story. Or the design will be different, or the publisher - but the ones that are classic, they have a certain timelessness that is hard to capture. Wicked by Gregory Maguire is one of my absolute favorite books, and I think it's a beautiful YA, but it wasn't published as such. I think, given the things that I've been given to read, that things are different in the UK, but there is no reason to write a YA novel off as unintelligent or badly written just given the audience it's marketed to. There is oftentimes a lack of pretension and an understanding of archetypes and mythology that is sadly lacking from adult novels.

There is a reason I work in this field: I believe in it.

And one last suggestion,because I wanted another English one: Coram Boy by Jamila Gavin. It's almost Dickensian, really. Often the books we get from the UK have been sloppily edited, and that might add to the weak writing theory; I really don't know. That's just a last minute thought - now I have really got to get some sleep.

M
 
 
YNH
03:24 / 10.05.02
Finished Gnarl! (last story's about Pythagoras, the five elements, and Rucker's five aspects of mathematics... cute) and Box Office Poison (which I'm pleased I didn't purchase). Started The Well by Katie Hafner, Media Unlimited by Todd Gitlin, Life on the Screen by Sherry Turkle (mentions Mr. Bungle, oddly enuf), and Red Emma Speaks. I also grabbed You are Being Lied To (okay, so our libraries are a bit slow around here), but it seems to address similar stuff to, say, The 50/60/70 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time while taking up more space.
 
 
Tom Coates
07:53 / 10.05.02
I recently finished the Pullman books. Of them all I thought the first was the weakest by quite some way. To use the word I'm obsessed with at the moment, it felt incredibly episodic and disconnected. The later books are clearly of a much higher quality of plotting and structure, and I have to confess to really quite enjoying them - although I was surprised by the kind of anti-christian campaigning that represented... Also just finished The Tipping Point (there's a thread abouto it in The Head Shop). Currently trying to read 'My Tiny Life", except I can't because I've left it somewhere.
 
 
Cavatina
09:53 / 12.05.02
Now here's something topical.

In Borders yesterday afternoon I had a look at Nicholas Griffin's The Shark Requiem , about the famous 18th century pirate, Bartholomew Roberts. I was reluctant to put it down and must go back to buy it. As you'd expect, the story's exciting and stomach churning in places, but not without humour. And arrrr, yes. As was the case with The House of Sight and Shadow , also set in the 18th C, Griffin appears to have done his research well. So there's a wealth of information about pirates - probably almost all you ever wanted to know - but the novel wears this lightly, with a glossary of terms at the end.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:18 / 12.05.02
Read Steve Aylett's "Shamanspace" yesterday... yes it really is that short. But check out its website... yes, 'tis indeed a low-rent version of the "AI" Hypemaschine... but is also fun.
I'll try to start a thread on this fucker soon- need to read more than just a couple of novels and a short story to do so with impunity, however...
 
 
The Dadaist
00:51 / 13.05.02
Neuromancer by William Gibson.
 
 
ephemerat
07:59 / 13.05.02
Ursula Le Guin does indeed rock like a nanny on diet pills. As do Susan Cooper and Alan Garner, however...

At the moment I'm too distracted to enter the debate. You see, I'm angry. Actually I'm not angry, I'm furious. I'm fucking seething. At the moment I want to tear the world apart until there's nothing but sub-atomic particles and then I want to stamp on the little fucks. You see I've just read Talking It Over by Julian Barnes. A book about a love triangle. And, you see, I quite liked A History of the World in 10 1/2 Chapters. I quite liked Flaubert's Parrot. But, if I didn't consider the written word sacrosanct, I'd take this book and rip it up and piss on the remains. As it is I'm just worried that its pus-filled pages might infect my other books.

There are going to be spoilers here and, quite frankly, I don't give a fuck. Because I read this book to the end. I put up with the lazy characterisation that polarised the main protagonists. I put up with the oily self-conceit. I waited for his much lauded intellect to shed a ray of illumination on human relationships. And what did I get? I got the message that this man whose wife has fallen in love with his best and only friend, whose wife has moved away with his friend and started a new life and had the child he always wanted, I got the message that... that his love and hurt and humiliation could be mollified, that he could achieve 'closure' by seeing the two of them have a screaming row in the street and by seeing this woman he loves struck twice by his friend. That he could walk away happy with this. That this would make him happy?

Fuck Julian Barnes. Fuck him fuck him fuck him. This wasn't an ending, this wasn't a book: this was being pinned down and force-fed steaming offal through a funnel.

So do me a favour, please? I beg you, I beseech you, I implore you on bended knees. If you're ever feeling utterly and absolutely fucked by love. If your bed has turned into a rack that you writhe upon. If the sunrise blasts through the window like a mocking accusation and even the very paving stones you walk upon are pissing themselves laughing at you. If, at that moment, Julian Barnes (the venomous, verminous, odious little shit) approaches clutching a clove cigarette and a bottle of grappa, proffering his advice. Take that bottle of scotch you've just emptied and glass the cunt. Because the man knows as much about love as a breeze block knows about flight.
 
 
ephemerat
09:01 / 21.05.02
Just completed:

The last two Pullman books which were, if anything, even more addictive, painful, beautiful and compelling than the first. Loved the sheer hubris of the main concept: setting your main characters in a war against the church, the authority, the angels and the very creator himself. And making them the 'good guys'. In a kids' book. I demand more.

An American Dream by Norman Mailer which again proves him to be the more luridly intellectual brother of Hemingway - they're so muscular. Um, its got some good scenes, nice rants, above average characters, um, yeah... Not as good as The Naked and the Dead.

Pincher Martin by William Golding. Probably the longest short read in the history of my association with books - Tezcatlipoca lent me this book well over a year ago, I finally read it and it took me what? Two hours? (It's only 189 pages long) A vaguely repellent main character and some rather over-indulgent prose are more than compensated for by moments of genuine pathos (and horror) and a fucking marvellous ending. Recommended.

The Peppered Moth by Margaret Drabble which is a routinely mediocre exploration of the effects of genetic and experiential heritage on our actions, personalities and ultimate destinies. I wanted to like this book, but, well, she takes all these big themes and produces such little interest. It was awlright.
 
  

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