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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:51 / 09.12.08
I may have to, as the PBF website doesn't want to work anymore. I reread the Mindless article and now I'm all drip-dreamy over the weird-technicolour-slaphappiness of it all.
 
 
Spaniel
20:52 / 09.12.08
Think there's a new, bigger compilation out now.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:13 / 09.12.08
The Almanack? Amazon's telling me that's out in February.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:45 / 10.12.08
I was reading MO this morning and thought there was something wrong with my computer, then I twigged.

It's snowing on Mindless Ones innit.

Nice touch.

Well...that or something is wrong with my computer.
 
 
Spaniel
14:32 / 10.12.08
Ah, that's thanks to wordpress.com. They activated the functionality at the beginning of the week. All I had to do was click the appropriate box and voila... snow.

Lots and lots more christmassy stuff in the pipeline
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:56 / 10.12.08
I noticed that as well, but decided I was either having one of my hallucinations or some kind of mind virus was all over me. Bloody mind viruses.
 
 
Triplets
19:25 / 12.12.08
Are you sure it's not a mind virus, Papes?

Are you sure you've always had just two hands?
 
 
Spaniel
22:03 / 13.12.08
Amy gets 'is teeth into Final Crisis.
 
 
Spaniel
20:37 / 06.01.09
We promised some more concrete forays into fan ficcy content in one of our recent podcasts. Amy's has a first stab in his Joker 666 rogue's review.

Christ, this is getting a bit spammy... I genuinely do flag this stuff up over here because I think you'll be interested. If people are of the opinion that I should let this thread drop I'll be happy to oblige.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:07 / 06.01.09
It might be an idea to direct people who want to talk about comics to Mindless Ones and people who want to talk about magic to Liminal Nation.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:08 / 06.01.09
You do understand that every single time one these reviews come up, I basically want to spend the rest of the day reading weird old Batman comics and imagining all the terrible short stories I could be writing, right? I really wouldn't worry about it.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:02 / 07.01.09
I agree with haus. Trying to kill the old place in one fell swoop, eh? It's the merciful way.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
16:00 / 07.01.09
JOOOOOIIIIIIN USSSSSSS!!!
 
 
Triplets
22:09 / 23.02.09
Any plans for the Mindless 1s to look at Scott Pilgrim?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:27 / 23.02.09
I'm in the midst of writing a Mindless 1s pieces about SP, actually.
 
 
Spaniel
08:22 / 24.02.09
Yes you are!

I've still yet to read SP, actually, but I suspect that when I finally get round to it I'll have much to say
 
 
Triplets
21:37 / 25.02.09
Both of these responses please me.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:35 / 25.02.09
I'm hard at work on it, but I keep getting distracted by Wallace Wells and how awesome he is. He's awesome. He's a bit of a drunk, but he's awesome.
 
 
Triplets
21:01 / 27.02.09
He kicks your ass!
 
 
Spaniel
21:14 / 07.03.09
So then, I'm really interested to know what the Barbelithers who visit Mindless Ones (and perhaps those that don't) think of Amy Poodle's Batman 666 fan-fic scripts (part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4).

Yes they're acts of hubris, perhaps they signpost neediness, yes they stink of Morrison (that's just how Amy do) yes scripts are inherently unfinished products, but all that aside I'm of the opinion that they're pretty bloody good. I've certainly enjoyed the hell of of them, at any rate.

Particularly keen to hear what the artists amongst us think.

So, yeah, all comments over on MO (or here) will be gratefully received, be they positive or negative. Are we, to paraphrase Triplets, going so far up our own arses you can taste it*?

*Just so we're clear, that was Triplets's description of his reservations before he'd actually read the scripts!
 
 
Triplets
16:47 / 08.03.09
It's true! I was clenched in fear before I clicked the link but they're actually bloody good, even if the action/imagery becomes a little hard to follow in issue 4. They're well worth a read tho. You clicky!
 
 
Spaniel
18:34 / 09.03.09
So no one got an opinion, then? This is Barbelith, right?
 
 
iamus
03:16 / 10.03.09
I've only gotten a chance to read the first one so far and I'm hesitant to comment until I've read the rest, but I thought this was fucking great. I can see it all in my head in candy-bright inverted neon explosions. It presses the futurist rainbow button in my head and makes me think of Polysics, which gets me at hello. There's a lot here that I love.

Are they acts of hubris? Perhaps signposting neediness? Do they stink of Morrison? Are they inherently unfinished?

Firstly, the exact same could be said of the comics of the man himself. Secondly, like the comics of the man himself.... Who cares? They're works of passion by somebody doing what they're obviously doing for the sheer fucking love of it. It may show some of the above, but only in a way that brings that love into sharper focus. Does it feel a bit right just doing it? Is there anything else you need when you've got that?

I'm going to read the rest and get back soon, but you get a definite THIS IS THE THING HERE.... KEEP DOING THIS from me, poodle.
 
 
iamus
03:23 / 10.03.09
Yeah.... and it also reminds me of Polysics.
 
 
iamus
03:40 / 10.03.09
I'd also say that the similarities to your influences are par for the course to ANY would-be creative professional's starting work.

It says far more about the parts of yourself you find in Morrison comics than it does about the parts of Morrison you put into your own, if you follow.
 
 
Spaniel
09:25 / 10.03.09
Oh, I’m not sure I care whether they’re acts of hubris, or whether they ape Morrison, but I understand that other people might, and I wouldn’t want them to be put off by such trivialities. I firmly believe that if people around here give them a go they’ll be entertained.

Polysics are fun, aren't they?
 
 
grant
20:11 / 10.03.09
I'm not sure I "get" the Toytown thing from within the scripts - that element only seems clear in the scene descriptions, which the final comics reader won't be able to read, right?

This may become clearer as the story progresses, though.

Love the scenes on Mars. And, of course, the Gorillas.
 
 
Spaniel
21:55 / 10.03.09
That's a shame because Amy and I (in my capacity as trusted critic) tried really hard to get Toytown to work within the comic, and not just within the script. It's seriously tough because it's such a tricky idea

Where do you think it goes wrong, Grant?
 
 
Spaniel
21:58 / 10.03.09
I should add, I don't think it's supposed to be a completely transparent concept. It's certainly supposed to have mysterious dimensions
 
 
grant
03:19 / 11.03.09
I'll have to go back to check, but I'm not sure if there's a spot where the captions explain what Toytown *is*, specifically. There are visual cues, but based on those, it might seem more subjective (a personal hallucination) than external (a shared virtual experience).

(That is, if I'm understanding it right as it is.)

Obviously, part of the appeal is that its nature is partially obscured, though.
 
 
Spaniel
09:15 / 11.03.09
Perhaps it’s not clearly flagged as a shared, internet type cyberspace. Interesting. The text does explicitly attempt to explain the concept on (I think) a couple of occasions, although the explanation given “…a fully immersive VR installed in a breathable nanite mist covering Gotham, but it has some weird properties science finds it difficult to account for” is purposefully incomplete, and doesn’t touch on the shared aspect. I think I’d been assuming that people would pick that up from the action, i.e. Batman and Robin referring to their bodies as hard copies, and acting *together* in the Toytown segments. There’s also a lot of references to Toytown as a place (rather than a state), and in part 4 talk of shopping (connotes to an Internet type environment), the suggestion that lovers can go there together, the “Toytown lecture” Robin gives to the GCPD “special task force”, and the way that the Sensei’s attack effects everyone who is using Toytown. Finally, I think Amy was just assuming, given the story’s gesturing towards cyberpunk and our contemporary everyday engagement with virtual environments, that people would simply assume a shared dimension.

Despite all that, I can see how a few words nailing it’s popularly understood nature down wouldn’t go amiss.
 
 
grant
13:53 / 11.03.09
"fully immersive VR" does kind of cover it... as long as you know what "VR" means.
 
 
Spaniel
13:55 / 11.03.09
I pushed the fule to expand that to "virtual reality". Would he listen..?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:21 / 12.03.09
I love Toytown in general, particularly because it is a scintillating example of that particular sub-breed of Morrisonism, the Moore-reference. And a shiny little Promethea one, as well. No, I loved the scripts quite a lot.
 
 
The Natural Way
01:25 / 12.03.09
we should talk about this shit on-site.
 
  

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