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exultant801
20:17 / 21.01.08
i am glad to introduce myself as this is my first post after finally being accepted to this spooky secret message board.
for years i have been interested in magick and expanding my consciousness by blowing away my ego and stuff, but over the last few months i have just begun to take my first big steps. unfortunately, all i am really doing is reading reading reading. i have dabbled a bit with sigils and meditation but i feel i am at an impasse without any sort of community of like-minded folks. i don't have even one aqaintance with which to share my goals, thoughts and studies with right now. i am alone in this magick mess.
this is why i am here. i need help with moving foward in my studies in magick(books, rituals, psychadelics...etc)

thanks doods!
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
22:04 / 21.01.08
thanks for posting...

dunno how much I'd call my experience veteran...

personally, my fortunes haven't worked me into a broader social group of like-minded folk, so I've learned to work on my own. This may happen to you.

I think most lessons are most valuable if you suss them out for yourself, so with that in mind, I only have one bit of advice to offer you for the now:

learn to recognize the voice of your intuition, and listen.

(if you already do this, good on ya.)

that said, you may thrive and find your deepest satisfaction in a circle of magic-workers. I hope your intuition leads you there post-haste.

ttfn
 
 
darth daddy
22:48 / 21.01.08
Don't let the ego go....its tha bomb!
 
 
eye landed
23:44 / 21.01.08
you will not be successful if you see magic primarily as a dialogue between your ego and a powerful subculture. this is one of my 'problems', and this board helps provide a complex for that. no matter what kind of magic you practice, you are never alone when you are alone. you must expand your definition of 'community' to include the intelligences you encounter in your mess. that way, the mess becomes a source of strength, rather than a source of fear that needs barbe-therapy.

why yes, i am addressing myself!
 
 
EmberLeo
00:41 / 22.01.08
Do you have a particular direction in mind for your studies to forward in?

I mean, it all sounds a bit vague so far...

--Ember--
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
03:04 / 22.01.08
Hello there, exultant801, and welcome to the board.

Maybe it would help if you shared a bit more information. What kind of thing have you experimented with (if any)? What have you read/heard/seen that has inspired you recently? What are you looking for from magic?

To help you get oriented in the meantime, I'd suggest checking out the Temple FAQ, which has lots of useful links to help you get started, and the page on history, identity and standards to see what we're all about board-culture wise.

In general, the important things about the Temple are a firm and active commitment to experience-based discussion, having a healthy practice that enriches one's life, and the presence of a very broad range of people from an assortment of paths and traditions. The experiential is queen in these parts, and we're big on the questioning of assmptions.

Look forward to seeing you around.
 
 
exultant801
03:51 / 22.01.08
okie dokie.
about me: raised religious and still retain a lot of faith on certain levels. been on about every sort of ant-anxiety/ADHD drug ever devised since i was about 12 years old. over the last 6 or so years i have been finding less and less piurpose and meaning in my life and "reality". i don't really feel much anymore and i am totally devoid of any sort of guilt or worry. basically, i am disconnected from everything around me and more since i have really been studying.i have read crowley and dee and a ton of gnostic and pseudopygraphal texts in the past but really got excited when i saw some grant morrison speach given for a disinfo-con on youtube. i always knew he and moore called themselves "magicians" but never really gave it much weight beyond what it leant to their writing. this has lead me to some new favorites such as Austin Spare, Mkenna, and Wilson.
i guess i lean more towards the more pliable chaos magick over more ritualized and formulaic, traditional stuff. Really, my only applied experience comes down to some sigil trials. i really wanna change my perceptions and more importantly my whole concept of self. i am sick of this grey
plus, i am eager to try some psychodelics but have zero experience or avenues to explore. i have never tried anything of the like before and i only know destructive junkies for my examples in the area.

so...i can hang with anyone here on rants about comics or literature or movies or history or bullshit, but when it comes to magick i really need some gurus(is the plural"guri"?).
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
04:20 / 22.01.08
Dude, NOBODY needs a guru. We don't really do the guru thing around here. What you'll find is a loose group of peers exchanging information.

Despite retaining the name Barbelith, the board has grown away from its original Invisibles-related roots. Likewise, the Temple has grown away from an early emphasis on chaos magic(k) to encompass a much broader spectrum of ideas and practices. (Many of the ideas and assumptions of chaos magic have come on for a thorough shakedown around here.) Ritual you'll find; formulaic you won't.

Got to go to work now but I'll hook you up with some more links in a bit.
 
 
exultant801
04:30 / 22.01.08
thank you, good sir

i was being a bit silly with the "guru" thing...but a little direction would be swell
 
 
Papess
06:13 / 22.01.08
Welcome, exultant801. There is a lot available here that can help you with the use of narcotics, which I urge you to read over before you attempt to do a journey. What kind are you interested in utilizing? It can be very helpful if you are careful. Although, I would say I am of the opinion that nobody needs to do drugs to achieve magickal awareness. Achievements might even be more substantial if developed without them, even if it does take longer because there won't be a reliance on a substance to create desired effects. Not that they are entirely unhelpful, just use with good sense.

This is an interesting thread on Drugs as Tools.

There is this really detailed thread on DMT.

Probably, if you name your drug, there would be a thread on it. If not, ask in the Stupid Questions thread about it. If there is enough interest a discussion may develop.

Dude, NOBODY needs a guru. We don't really do the guru thing around here.

That is your opinion, TTS. I do the guru thing and so do some others here. IN fact, I consider it a blessing to have a bona fide knowledgeable master to learn from.
 
 
Saturn's nod
08:44 / 22.01.08
i don't really feel much anymore and i am totally devoid of any sort of guilt or worry. basically, i am disconnected from everything around me and more since i have really been studying

Sounds pretty severe. Where's this disconnect coming from? I regard it as healthy to be embodied, to feel, to connect.

Emotions and a strong sense of embodiment are powerful sources of information about the world we're encountering: without them it's much easier to get lost in the bullshit.

If it's studying that's feeding the disconnect, I'd advise stopping. Get good food, get good rest, stay sober/clean for a while, get out for a walk in the woods/wilds as often as you can, hang out with the most emotionally healthy people you can find.

Assess your values. What is important to you, really important? What is genuinely beautiful, sacred, whole? What do you want the world to be like, can you see any assumptions you've been making to be lies that were holding you back?

Assess the people you're meeting and connecting with. Are they kindly, respectful, helpful, supportive? I spent waaay too much of my early life hanging around with the people I randomly bumped into, rather than considering whether they were people I actually liked and benefited from being around.

Now I make an effort to hang out with people I like and respect, who like and respect me, and aim to behave in a way that helps both me and them grow in grace and truth and effectiveness. Foundation of good mental health and spiritual progress, if you ask me.
 
 
Char Aina
09:03 / 22.01.08
Dude, NOBODY needs a guru / I consider it a blessing to have a bona fide knowledgeable master to learn from.

I think it can be helpful, but it can also be restrictive. Some help can be handy, and someone to talk to about stuff is good, but the master is not you, and hir tradition is not yours.
They might be bona fide, but they can never be a master of being you. Only you can.


What do you find useful about having a master? How did you choose yours?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
09:38 / 22.01.08
The sentence that leaps out at me most here is this one:

"I am disconnected from everything around me".

This is what I'd say you ultimately need to work with and transform most of all. I was thinking the other day about what it is specifically that I think characterises "a magician" - because I instinctively know a "magician" when I meet one. You can't hide it and you can't fake it. A person either has it going on, or they don't. The conclusion I came to was that a magician is someone who has been fundamentally transformed (in a positive way, hopefully...) by their practice.

The person that they are today is not quite the same beast that they would have been if they hadn't had the transformative agency of their practice working its strange alchemy in their life. All of the people who I would rate as good magicians, have this sort of thing going on. (And not all of them would necessarily consciously identify as "magicians" either - by any means). But at some point they began to buck the course that nature and nurture might have set out for them, and create new options and new possibilities for what they could conceivably be and how they could conceivably live.

So in my definition, if you have read all the books, if you wear the outfits, if you go through the motions of the rituals - but you are not on some level engaging with this sort of internal transformative process - then you are not really a "magician" as I would recognise one. These practices, whatever they are - from meditation to spirit work - should be producing this sort of deep process of change within you. They should be bringing up all the problematic material that you may have in your life, and providing you with a toolkit to work on this stuff and resolve it so you can be happier, healthier, more capable and more in accord with your own nature and "nature" in its widest sense.

A lot of alleged "magicians", however, appear to use all of these things - the robes and incense, sigils and barbarous names, weird books and incantations - as something to actually put between them and that process of change. This sort of work on yourself is difficult stuff - it can be the most difficult stuff you will ever do - and it's a lot easier to retreat into a fantasy world instead and never face it or deal with it. I think a real danger for someone setting out on an exploration of this sort of area is to approach magic as escapism in this manner. You can do that. It's very easy. There is enough material there to learn and immerse yourself in so that you never really get anything done. A lot of people seem to do that - surround themselves with the trappings of magic in order to bolster their ego, make them feel special, and provide them with a tremendous source of distraction from the real transformative magical work that they should probably be stepping up to and actualising in their lives, if they were being totally honest with themselves.

Be wary of falling into that sort of pitfall, because a lot of your comments, such as feeling little purpose or meaning in "reality" would suggest some vulnerability to falling into that sort of relationship with magic. Don't go there if you can help it. Always try to assess your objectives. The big question is always: WHY? What do you want to get out of all of this bollocks? What do you want? Where is this going? Why are you considering ploughing your finite time, energy and resources into exploring this sort of material? Your answers to these questions will probably change and develop a little over time, but it probably wouldn't hurt to try and write some of your responses to this sort of questioning down right now at the outset of things. If you do end up getting into this stuff for the long haul, it would be an interesting document to refer back to at the very least.

I'd also think about making a list of all the things that appeal to you about magic. Try and get to the heart of whatever is speaking to you right now and compelling you towards exploring these areas, because this is the golden thread that will help you discover your own magic. You can only ever practice your own magic - you may be influenced by the work of others at various times - but every single magician of consequence has brought something new to the table that is uniquely their own expression. That's where you end up, sooner or later, although the route there may be circuitous.

My own practice has changed and developed hugely, even just over the past few years, and it continues to - but what I find really interesting is if I look back, everything that constitutes the direction I've gone in was right there in embryonic form in the ideas I had when I was 16 or even younger. It's as if I knew the vague shape of my own magic all along, and my decade or so of practice has just been an uncovering and revealing of this. It's ongoing work, and it doesn't finish until you are dead in the ground, and perhaps not even then. So pay attention to your gut instinct, and try to hear what it's telling you about magic. Work out what appeals to you, and what you would like to explore, and then organise your life in such a way so that you can begin that exploration.

I'd like barbelith temple (and/or the proposed new web forum discussed in the other thread) to be the sort of place that can give good constructive advice and support to people at every stage of their magical career - so do come back and post here again whenever you feel the need to or whenever you feel stuck with something. Community is essential to healthy magical practice, and whilst an internet forum can't replace actual flesh and blood people to talk to and interact with, it's a lot better than nowt isn't it.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:45 / 22.01.08
Dude, NOBODY needs a guru. We don't really do the guru thing around here.

That is your opinion, TTS.

Okay, let me unpack that a bit. Nobody needs a guru they met off of an internet message board five minutes ago.

I do the guru thing and so do some others here.

Really? Who? There are certainly plenty of people here who know a lot more about, say, Hinduism or Tantra or Vodoun or martial arts than I ever will. There are certainly people I will PM to say "dude, stuff asplode, what should I do?" But masters? Gurus? I don't think of anyone here as an enlightened master. What are they masters of exactly?


AaaAAAaaanyhow, that's by-the-by. exult, I'm really concerned by what you've written above, especially regarding your sense of disconnection. In magical writing as in pop culture, we're repeatedly offered models of the magician as this isolated figure, delving into tomes of forbidden lore and consorting only with other mages and the Terrible Spectres raised by his (almost always his, unless you're a hott scarlet woman) Awful Craft. This is not, IMO, terribly healthy. The further I get in my magicoreligious practice, the more I feel that engaging with the world around me is where it's at, you know? Sacred mysteries are expressed here on Earth.

This is just my personal opinion, of course--I don't know you, and all I have to go on are your posts above. However, it seems to me that for someone in your state of disconnect psychedelics would be an especially bad idea right now. I've certainly used various mind-altering substances and gained in understanding thereby, but as part of a long, assiduous process rather than as a short cut anywhere. Journeying via trancework, unaided by chemicals, would be somewhat healthier, but again there's the risk of--to put it bluntly--disappearing up one's own arse.

Okay, beginning magic: Immediately being using some system of divination. I would generally recommend the I Ching; it's effective, rewarding and less likely to... attract attention... than the Tarot or the runes. (This is a particular paranoid hangup of mine which not everyone shares.)

Keep a journal. You'll want at least one magical record. A notebook to carry around with you in case you see/think of something interesting is always useful, and a dream journal is a very good thing to keep. A public online record might be a good idea, but bear in mind that the internet is forever; never put anything online you wouldn't put on a postcard.

Buy a kitchen timer. Everyone should totally have a kitchen timer.

As to practice: Rather than take off in search of new dimensions, how about spending some time exploring this one? Since you have (or have been treated for, I know it's not always the same thing) ADHD, a practice that lets you get up and move around plenty would probably do you more good than one which requires you to sit still and do not very much.

If I was in your shoes, I would start out with a Drift. This is a huge topic, but in a nutshell: Drifting or derivé is a practice that originated with the Situationists, and involves basically setting off on a journey with absolutely no definate destination in mind, just seeing where the drift takes you. You are exploring the psychogeography of your environs. (You may have come across the term shadow-walking, which is basically the same thing.)

Me being me and a filthy little animist, I'd pick a crossroads and annouce, to whatever spirits happened to be hanging around the vicinity, my intent to go off on a sacred journey in search of guidance on my path, maybe tossing a few small-denomination coins into the road for luck. Then you strike out in some random direction and just keep going, looking out for signals as to where you should go next. Let your town or city speak to you. Graffiti on the walls. A club flyer with a map on the back. A half-heard snatch of conversation. The advert on the side of a bus. These are your signposts, your signals, your messages. Make a mental note of anything which strikes you as significant. Pick up items you come across on your travels to use in your work later on.

I do this a fair bit and it's unfailingly rewarding. Even if you don't come back with any answers the first few times, at least you'll have got out in the fresh air and got some excercise.

Some bits and pieces to help you get started:
Here is a useful metathread containing lots of interesting places to go.

Here is another beginner asking for advice.

Here are some Useful Techniques for a Well Rounded Sorceror

Here we try to explain how we all got mixed up in this mess in the first place. Might be helpful for you in ordering your thoughts.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:45 / 22.01.08
Oops, x-post with GL.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
10:10 / 22.01.08
Great posts, Gypsy, TTS & Joviality! Gee, I wish someone had said those things to me when I was started out - would possibly have saved me a great deal of confusion & angst.

re: Gurus etc., might be worth revisiting the Gurus thread?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
10:11 / 22.01.08
On some level I'm always writing for 15-y/o Talks.
 
 
illmatic
12:02 / 22.01.08
off topic

But I loathe that thread - to much of it isn't based on people's actual experience of working with gurus, elders, significant figures, it's just ideas about what a guru *might be*, based on people's reading. Without reading the whole thing again, I think Petunia is the only person on that thread with any actual experience?

To tie this into the topic, you see Exultant, this is the problem with reading. We all love books (probably a bit too much in my case) but they can lead us to form all kinds of crazy preconceptions and ideas which don't bear in relation to teh subject in hand, and certainly won't benefit us. Embodied experience is a better teacher than the written word anyday. Crowley is a particularly eregious example of this, because he prescribes all kinds of ardous practices which seem based on a student's ability to tough it out rather than what individuals might *need*. It might seem a bit of a tall order when starting out, but read it critically.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
12:06 / 22.01.08
read it critically

I think that's another key peice of advice: Everything you read about magic, read it critically, including the comments we are giving you on this thread.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
12:46 / 22.01.08
read it critically

It's a good point - but its not always easy to do. It took me a few years to be able to read magical texts critically - either in the sense of not immediately rejecting an author's position nor taking it on board as "confirmation" of something I wanted to be "true". In fact, in my first flush of magical enthusiasm, I read loads and loads of books completely uncritically. My point is that "reading critically" isn't necessarily something one can do automatically - it's a skill one develops over time. My critical reading abilities were in no small measure helped by me doing a degree - (and having some practical experience of magic + discussions with other people as a rudimentary measuring stick) but I wonder how other posters have approached it?
 
 
Char Aina
12:51 / 22.01.08
Scepticism as default. Basically I don't believe anything until I have convincing proof. And even then I like to disbelieve a little.
 
 
illmatic
13:04 / 22.01.08
My point is that "reading critically" isn't necessarily something one can do automatically - it's a skill one develops over time

Entirely. For me, I think a point came after doing a little bit of practical experimentation and not having the results I expected, or anticapted - at first, I thought this was because I was "doing it wrong", and *one day* I'd get it right, but after a while, I developed some confidence in my own feelings and intutions about what I was doing. I think there's a feedback process that exists between this and one's reading.
 
 
Haloquin
13:07 / 22.01.08
TTS - attract attention... than the Tarot or the runes.

I've worked instinctively with the tarot for about a decade now, but I've never really looked at the mythology behind it (and I don't tend to work with traditional decks either...) So I'm wondering who the Tarot might bring you to the attention of? *has done woefully little reading about Tarot but loves her decks*

As a lot of people have said, the 'disconnection' comment worried me too. Due to current medical conditions I've been disconnected recently and my magical practice has suffered severely, in that I rarely *do* it, and when I do I feel much less than I usually would.

Connection is something I strive for, it is both the fuel and the aim of my magical practice although I often forget this, which leads to less magic in my life. I despise the painkillers I was given because they disconnect me.

So, yeah. Thanks for the reminder. I'd forgotten for a while what I'm supposed to be doing. And yeah, I echo the value of connectedness, to the world, to all parts of yourself, to your practise. I find that without a through connection in myself my magic aims for things I don't necessarily want. Without a connection to the world, nothing really happens anyway. When I'm connected up, through and out, I don't need to make anything happen, the world works with me, and I with the world. Magic happens.

*Digs out pen and paper and scrawls 'NOTE TO SELF; RECONNECT'*
 
 
Papess
13:24 / 22.01.08
Okay, let me unpack that a bit. Nobody needs a guru they met off of an internet message board five minutes ago.

Fair enough. Thank you for qualifying that.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
14:03 / 22.01.08
My point is that "reading critically" isn't necessarily something one can do automatically - it's a skill one develops over time

Yeah, I agree with that. But I think it helps to further the idea that looking at this material with a critical eye is a good and natural response, because when you go to the books cold, you can sometimes come away with the impression that these big canonical works are somehow set in stone and are just there to be absorbed and taken on board without any questioning. I think its valuable to further the idea that it really isn't like that, and any reading of, say, Crowley, should also take into account an awareness of the culture and social context he was writing in. I think that people often approach texts on magic with such an agenda - for instance, desperately wanting it to be real or for a book to confirm the validity of something you already believe or have experienced - that your normal critical faculties tend to get a bit suspended. I think its one of the problems that comes from reading (and writing) about something that is flatly not supposed to exist in our culture.
 
 
grant
14:08 / 22.01.08
Divination and derivé are all about interconnectedness.

I don't really think of myself as any kind of "magician," but I like reading things... everything. So the things I like to do support that feeling of connection in the sense of what things mean and how they give each other context.

----

BTW, I've never worked with a guru, per se (unless one-off Tibetan Buddhist meditation classes count), but I have worked with a very good sifu (Chinese for sensei, a teacher) when learning tai chi chuan. Irreplaceable. But probably not something you'd necessarily get from a message board. Has to be done in person, I think.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
14:24 / 22.01.08
...your normal critical faculties tend to get a bit suspended.

When I started getting interested in all this stuff (age 16-17) I don't think I had any critical faculties (at least where magic was concerned). I read everything I could get my hands on in the local library (which wasn't much, admittedly - I do recall ploughing through all 4 volumes of Blavatsky's The Secret Doctrine for example). I didn't meet anyone else with any solid, practical magical experience for about four years, by which time I'd absorbed - uncritically - a good deal of material. I didn't really start to question stuff until I began having experiences that enabled me to re-evaluate a lot of the stuff I'd taken on board.
 
 
exultant801
21:26 / 22.01.08
holy moly, i am greatful for all the feedback.

to clarify:
when i speak of being disconnected, i mean specifically disconnected with my temporal surroundings. i feel disconnected socially, with my job, education and financial situation. the only thing that seems to bring about any kind of enthusiasm or passion within me are my studies into magic and theology. i am so eager to bring my studies to action! over the last few months i have felt immense change within myself, more so then over the last several years and i feel i am on the verge of discovery here. i have already contacted several shamanic folks as well as beginning some meditation courses.

i have to say that along the lines of "critical reading" i am pretty secure. i just go with my gut for what appeals to me...
 
 
exultant801
21:46 / 22.01.08
"Always try to assess your objectives. The big question is always: WHY? What do you want to get out of all of this bollocks? What do you want? Where is this going? Why are you considering ploughing your finite time, energy and resources into exploring this sort of material?"

i want to find my true self that i feel has been locked behind medication and contempt bred from dissapointment for so long or always. i know there is so much more than what any church is willing or free to show. i am 27 years old, i have read and studied the bible, the koran, the pseudepigryph, the apocrypha, the gnostic gospels. i have prayed everyday of my life since i was 8, i served a two year mission of selflessness and i have finally found so much in mysticism and metaphysics that coincides and demands my attention and embrace for my continued evolution.

i am sure i will get even more disturbingly honest over my stay here.
 
 
exultant801
21:59 / 22.01.08
awesome advice, talks to strangers!

by mentioning "the drift" you have actually given a name and fleshed out something i have been serously planning on for a while. great encouragement.

i don't want anyone to fear for me diving into the strange world of psychadelics just for the hell of it or because i am depressed or anything. i am not really a pitious or depressed kind of fella. just restless and passionate. i feel extremely prepared and just, well ready for evolving in that way. my seratonin levels have already been bombarded brutally for years and any tryptamines don't sound even close to as dangerous as some of the garbage my parents gave to me a lad.

word
 
 
eye landed
00:18 / 23.01.08
dont read too critically. its not like science, where its either 'true' or in error. you want to read things that inspire you to feel and do things, whether the text is truth or lies or jokes or nonsense. i think when these 'gurus' say read critically, its a bit facile. once you are a (self defined) magician, which could be today if you say so, you will be able to see how your readings fit into your project.

until then, feel free to absorb everything. just make sure you check it all against the logic, morals, and instinct that youve developed so far. be as open-minded as you can; just dont do or believe something just because crowley etc said so. in other words, reading critically is a different skill for each discipline.

but dont take my word for it.

this is another good thread, btw. i wonder what it is about certain tentative introductions that make everyone helpful, while other poor sods get shouted down or ignored.
 
 
grant
01:42 / 23.01.08
A lot of ADHD medication can lead to feelings of dissociation, I think - the amphetamine-related varieties. You, uh, probably already know that. I imagine meditation would help, but I imagine it'll help most things.
 
 
exultant801
02:38 / 23.01.08
i am certainly comfortable with blaiming character and emotional changes on medications but my recent feelings cannot be attributed to meds so easily as these feelings have been most recent with no changes in a medication regement that has been pretty standard for years now. mostly the feelings have been amplified by my recent studies and thought direction. i am passionate about magic and taking control of my reality.
i have been actively trying "get off" medication for a while now but usually end up coming back when the lack of sleep proves too disasterous. i am hoping the meditation will help to settle me down and focus me without the aid of meds. i am hopeful.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
03:34 / 23.01.08
i think when these 'gurus' say read critically, its a bit facile.

Thanks for that snide and unprovoked dig. Please, feel free to point out where exactly anyone here has set hirself up as anything other than one of a group of a peers with a bit of experience under hir belt; or where "read critically" could demonstrably have meant anything other than "check it all against the logic, morals, and instinct that youve developed so far...just dont do or believe something just because crowley etc said so. etc" (I would add checking against personal experience to the list myself, but of course that's hard to do in the early days.)

Speaking as someone who felt free to absorb everything in the early stages of hir magical career and ended up with a headful of appalling tosh, I don't see anything wrong with encouraging people to develop their critical reading skills.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
04:00 / 23.01.08
exultant801: I'm a bit concerned with the idea of you coming off your meds altogether. Magic is great, but it's not a substitute for real medical care. Maybe you could talk to your doctor about changing your meds?
 
  

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