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Jack Fear
09:29 / 17.01.08
Yeah, I'd say you're missing something.
 
 
eye landed
13:54 / 18.01.08
simple answers, ha!

happiness-life is an illusion of existence that is fundamentally borrowed from the entropy of the sadness-void (where existentialism and nihilism await the arrival of godot).

happiness is not real because it will eventually fall back into nothingness, but sadness is not real because it is based on metaphysical speculation. what is real is hope: the hope that our borrowed happiness will generate some 'interest', and somehow outlive the doomed happiness machine that generated it (i.e. in the memories of those touched by our life).

buddhist canon addresses this by demonizing desire and attachment, which is mourning the inevitable loss of this life and this current happiness. instead we should focus on the legacy of life: nothing lasts forever, but history is eternal (not the history of human civilization, but cosmological history).
 
 
webmadman
00:05 / 19.01.08
The half glass of water waits to be interpreted, or does it?
Melancholy's sweet surface and pungent depth is mine to suckle while these lungs still breath. Finite is the the span of their breathing, especially in relation to the time left after they've done their deed. Whose to say what my "I am" experienced before or after this span, so while I am is bound to this rhythmic inspiration, it is determined to draw the most it can, for some where, at some point, a choice was made (even if that choice was simply to let it begin) to ride this ride, eyes as open as the I can muster, swallowing all they fall upon...

So, happiness and sadness are just different tastes of the substance of experience, and my soul devours both as manna to grow from... but hey, maybe that's just me. :-()
 
 
webmadman
00:10 / 19.01.08
I've been told I'm probably bi-polar- mhh- I enjoy it either way, even the low bits, it's where I can see the darkest humour.
 
 
Jack Fear
10:49 / 19.01.08
Yeah, it's probably just you.
 
 
webmadman
02:03 / 20.01.08
Cheers Fear's- you can be more imaginative than that can't you- yeesh, too obvious!
 
 
Alex's Grandma
09:55 / 20.01.08
I've been told I'm probably bi-polar

I'm guessing that's not the only thing you've been told you probably are, over the years.

Though 'an arse' doesn't have quite the same ring to it, I suppose.
 
 
webmadman
15:56 / 20.01.08
How so? I was just expressing an opinion (trying to use a certain amount of humor while doing so), and then being attacked for it, certainly the word arse comes to mind, but...

Having some second thoughts about joining here- anybody got a sense of humour or tolerance around here?
 
 
webmadman
15:59 / 20.01.08
And, uh, just wondering of you usually attack people who let you know that they are struggling with a mental/emotional condition? Strikes me as kind of mean.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:01 / 20.01.08
Ah, but you're not "struggling," are you? No, your society-calls-it-CRAZiNeSs is your badge of honor, your gift, your precious superpower that allows to perceive the world as the mundane humaton sheeples never could! Your self-diagnosed bipolarity gives you insight! Being tOUCHed bi thEe hAND ov TeH MAaaaAdnEsS has made you Coyote Trickster Anansi; you have the privilege of telling The emperor that he's got no clothes on; et fucking cetera.

It makes you SO. FUCKING. SPECIAL.

Doesn't it?

Why did you put "madman" in your username, then?

If we react with a certain vehemence, it is because we have heard this joke before, and it wasn't funny to begin with.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:11 / 20.01.08
And because we live in a place that has been cut off and abandonned from the outside world, like Gotham City in the storyline 'No Man's Land', and is currently without running water or electricity.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:45 / 20.01.08
webmadman: I'm afraid that the spurious waving of mental health needs/developmental disorders draws little water in this town. "I can see/understand X better than you people who do not have condition Y" is generally parsed, unless X = "what it's like to have condition Y," as "I'm a special snowflake, see me glitter." I'm sure that lots of people who are not bipolar or otherwise psychologically special are able to appreciate black humour and the fact that sadness and other negative emotions can be said to enrich one's experience of life.

As someone with lifelong mental health problems (on-paper craziness confirmed by a succession of trained medical personnel) I have to say I find comments like that kind of put sand in my crack. On a personal level.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
20:14 / 20.01.08
This thread just isn't working out is it? Which is a shame because, as I've said above, there is a lot of mileage there. Unfortunately we've set out with no road map (and if we find one it has to be simple apparently) and have picked up some weird but ultimately very boring hitchhikers.

Who's up for a new and better happiness thread?
 
 
Pingle!Pop
20:36 / 20.01.08
Mileage, really? I mean, I suppose that depends what you mean by "this thread".

Your suggestion earlier:

We could also take a look at the political side of happiness- depression is becoming increasingly common as the standard of living continues to rise yet there is no political will to tackle this and a politician who makes 'increasing happiness' or even 'decreasing clinical depression' part of their manifesto is unthinkable. Why?

Well, maybe. This, though:

It has been said over a long period of time that happiness is the ultimate aim of all things. Whether or not things are pursued for their own aim, they contribute still to a larger aim, that being happiness. But is happiness really sadness disguised??

I'm not really seeing the potential there, no matter how much you polish it.
 
 
Closed for Business Time
20:39 / 20.01.08
I'd like to see one, if that could also get some input from more Lab-oriented vistas. Wouldn't have to be set in the Lab, though. It'd be nice to mash stuff together and have a philo-pheno-psycho-bio-socio-culturally informed talk, no? Or is that a recipe for sprainage?
 
 
Closed for Business Time
20:40 / 20.01.08
X-post, pingles. Very much in agreement with your last point. The start was atrocious, and the rest, not great.

We haz batr hapi tredd?
 
 
webmadman
02:49 / 21.01.08
And you claim I'm the one who's special, give me break I made no such claim, I was commenting on being insulted for, really no good reason...

I guess I'll be leaving now, have fun in your special world folks

Came looking for a conversation, but just found a bunch of up tight what, gits I believe you call them.

As for the comments on my name, well, judging a book by it's cover- happens to be a name I've been using since 96, has a bit behind it...

Glass houses dudes, glass houses.
 
 
astrojax69
08:21 / 21.01.08
so, will we all be happy or sad web is leaving? or both? or neither? nothing in the above thread to convince us of any option...

sad, really... bye.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:40 / 21.01.08
Well seeing as how atrocious the applications system is at the moment I'd feel sad if, after managing to make it through webmadman turned around and just left, even if I was one of those pointing and giggling. I think it's unfortunate what has happened, misunderstandings on the side of the Old Ones on the board, and perhaps we could all start again, in a different thread elsewhere.
 
 
*
16:54 / 22.01.08
I'm also frustrated about how this thread went.

The initial question wasn't framed very well, so the responses weren't what the first poster is looking for...no one knew what the first poster was looking for. Thus, some jokes (was this meant to be a joke thread? there was uncertainty), some seriousness but in a variety of different directions, and some effort at poetry (please to post that in Creation instead). People weren't engaging with each other...I wasn't engaging with other people in this thread. Helpful people tried to point out that the initial post wasn't well-enough formed to spawn useful discussion. Relatively fewer of them actually tried to reform the question, and when they did there was none of the collaboration which could have resulted in an interesting thread with or without the support of the initial poster.

The relationship of happiness(define) and sadness(define) is totally worth exploring in more depth, in a headshoppy way, but this isn't it.
 
 
bacon
21:56 / 22.01.08
he called you guys gits

and i propose we delete this entire thread, except my chocolate chip cookie post, that may help someone some time down the road, the post, not the deleted thread, might help, i mean
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:30 / 22.01.08
Shut up, bacon.
 
 
webmadman
14:51 / 24.01.08
Well, I would have posted this earlier, but I've been working the last few days and wanted to give it proper focus, my previous post was reactive and not how I would have liked to have responded. In response I started a new topic over in Conversation: Cynicism vs Critical Thinking...
Specifically though, I really was not trying to garner sympathy, in the first case I was simply trying to, with a bit of levity, give some context to my original post, and secondly I was trying to point out that your post, Fear, strikes me as just mean spirited, you can reduce anybody's words to a ridiculous cliche and then dismiss them, but is that really useful?
And, Talks to Strangers, I meant no offense, I was told by a councilor that I am probably bi-polar, she put me on a waiting list to see an actual therapist to get a diagnosis, but that didn't pan out, and to be honest I didn't push it, I'm a little leery of therapists- my mother committed suicide with anti-depressants (it was back in the early 80's, so anti-depressants were really nothing more than tranquilizers) while under the "care" of a therapist- now, I'm not stating this as a "oh pity me" thing, it was a long time ago, but it does inform where I'm coming from and has influenced my perspective in some things, again, just trying to offer some context for things...

I agree that this topic doesn't have much clarity- is it supposed to be humorous or is it supposed to be serious? My rather poetic response was meant to straddle that line, however unsuccessful I was at it- and Lady in a Pear Tree, it was meant to illicit a bit of a giggle- so, I'm not going to run away just because someone called me a bad name, I'll stick around and see if I can find a half decent conversation- lord knows that can be a bit hard to find on the net sometimes :-/
 
  

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