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ORA ORA ORA ORAAAA!!
06:33 / 26.12.07
It's come to my attention that, despite having two and a half degrees, mostly concerned with the Arts and Humanities, I lack any kind of formal framework to conceptualise... anything, really. I've had a pretty broad education, but lack (maybe critically) any history or economics subjects.

I'm also pondering the life of an academic[1], and I don't know how much of a handicap this would turn out to be. If I can't explain why I think what I think (or why I work how I work, maybe more to the point) with reference to some respected body of thought, am I banishing myself to the wilderness? Alternatively, am I freeing myself up from conceptual blinkers by not trying to force everything through a Marxist/autonomist/Lacanian/whatever framework?

There's some people on the board who appear to operate primarily in one or two schools of thought, what do you guys think of this? Do you find it difficult to talk to people who are running in different idea-spheres (I hesitate to say ideologies)?

It's possible that not having an overarching interpretive framework means that I'm actually operating on a whole bunch of more or less unexamined assumptions re: everything ever, but I don't think so. -- missing linking sentence I can't think of -- There's only two points philosophical I'd argue about in a pub, and they're pretty closely linked: the impossibility of the (Skinnerian) behaviourist conception of language (and thus accepting something like Chomsky's account), and the insufficiency (and general incorrectness) of Searle's Chinese Room argument about the impossibility of hard AI (briefly: Searle thinks that language can be reduced to a set of input/output prompts. If so, then one could design a machine in which a person is fed Chinese sentences through a slot in a box, and replies to them with responses from lookup tables. If the input/output was perfect, this would be indistinguishable from someone understanding Chinese inside the box - but there's no actual understanding there, so even if we create something which looks and responds exactly as a human in all circumstances, there's no understanding and thus no intelligence and thus no AI - this has been lightly straw-coated to help it blow away easier, but it's not too inaccurate as I recall it).

So anyway! Explain to me the benefits and disadvantages of these kind of frameworks, if you please.

I was going to put this in the conversation, because pub philosophy argument is more my scene than tute room position papers, but it doesn't really look like it belongs there, really. I'm happy for it to go where it needs to be, including straight to the bottom of the forum, heh.

[1]
In Design Computing/Digital Media - so this might not exactly translate over to the work done in an English department, for example.
 
 
Spaniel
19:43 / 26.12.07
(Might I recommend The Philosopher's Toolkit as a helpful aide du brain)
 
 
Good Intentions
09:18 / 27.12.07
That's a rather strange question. Perhaps it seems that way to me because I am settling in nicely into analytic philosophy, and overarching conceptual frameworks are very much out of fashion in that sphere. Such frameworks have well-understood problems, and well-understood problems are of no interest to analytic philosophers. What takes its steads are projects, which are substantially different from conceptual frameworks and which I recommend wholeheartedly. Whereas a conceptual framework is a given from which further analysis ensues, a project is a goal towards which one works, by hook or by crook, as long as the goal is not undermined. It is through the rise and fall of various projects that the field of analytic philosophy advances. Some people make it their project to justify a conceptual framework, but that is an extremely problematic task, for any conceptual framework. Much more common, but not much less ambitious, is to make a broad claim about some quality shared by some type of phenomenon, like philosophic behaviourism's claim that all human actions are a complex set of dispositions to act in certain ways in certain situations, nothing more and nothing less, a project which failed comprehensively in a very instructive manner.

It's easy to see how such a broad, ambitious project can be very similar to a conceptual framework, but it's normally a confusion to see it as such. If I might be as brave to say so, I'd claim that most any example of the use of a conceptual framework is an example of this type of confusion. It's the mark of what Marx would often and impolitely call a 'vulgar economics', and which in turns marks a lot of spillt ink as 'vulgar Marxism', for instance, to take what is an attempt to give an informative explanation as an immutable law to which all else must fall in accord. In the example of what Marx had in mind, consider someone accepting Malthus' theory of population growth, which is fine, and then dismissing some fact solely because it is not in line with what Malthus says, which assuredly is not fine, since refusing to accept counterexamples to your assumptions on the ground of your assumptions is simply circular reasoning. Another term that comes to mind is 'magical thinking' - because I believe X, it must be that phenomena 1 through whatever will fall in accord with X. This is simply wrong, but is a hard fault to avoid at times. So much for the strengths and weaknesses of conceptual frameworks.

My first reaction to your question is to recommend you read Immanuel Kant's The Critique of Pure Reason, or a comprehensive study of the same. It'll put you on the right track, and keep you fruitfully occupied for a month or two. I recommend the Norman Kemp Smith translation.

It's less a manual and more a general account of systems of conceptualisation. Just as well, because nobody really understands everything Kant says. It is also, possibly, one of the most important books in the Western intellectual tradition. One way of describing Kant's project is that he attempts to show how human life is an expression of a particularly human form of reason, a type of which any individual person's reasoning is a token. It's a pretty extreme claim, but it has legs like few other things. I recommend the text, because, if there is value to what Kant is saying, it clearly indicates that something that is one or many conceptual frameworks, or some degree of the same, is at work at every level of our cognitive activity in every cognitive activity undertaken by a human being. I find this independently plausible, because I have always felt that the world is a very thin thing, is something that is spotwelded together by its audience to match whatever plan they might have at hand at the moment. When I say world, I mean the world of experience, which is the only thing I think we have any access to.
 
 
astrojax69
03:38 / 01.01.08
i agree, good intentions, kant is worth a trawl, frog. and i would add spinoza's 'ethics' for a similar reason... puts us in our place.

also, the fact of having no prescribed doctrine shouldn't preclude you from sensible ananlysese of issues; nay, i would suggest you might be more rigorous! all just sounds like healthy skepticism to me.

and on searle's chinese room, i have always wondered how this thought experiment is supposed to deal with novelty and creativity - while undergradding in phil, then especially since i worked with snyder. a hand book for the operator couldn't possibly have every plausible language combination, given language's inherent plasticity, like whatever innit! whither searle's creativity??

mebbe when you're next in cbr we could have a pint and discuss!
 
 
ORA ORA ORA ORAAAA!!
23:40 / 28.01.08
I suck at replying to threads, I apologise for the delay.

Boboss: you may very well suggest that! I might grab it this week, if I get paid enough.

Good Intentions: Thanks, that's very interesting. I'm not necessarily looking for a framework to force myself into, as I am curious about what one gets out of having one. I suppose there's a certain comfort in being able to approach things from the same angle with the same tools all the time, even when they might not seem completely appropriate (too me, anyway).

Projects seem more useful to me, but they don't necessarily provide the tools that a framework does, if that makes any sense. I'm thinking of a project as a sort of central theme attached to all your works, which gives you an angle, but you have to build your own tools. This seems more appropriate for the sort of things I'd be doing, were I not so lazy, and on holidays. There are a few things common to pretty much all the subject areas I've studied in and areas I follow for fun, which could loosely be described as a project. An explicit formulation of what I'm trying to do would probably be valuable for me. I'll think about it.


Astro: Yeah. It also has trouble learning - it needs rules about changing rules to learn, and once you have those in a machine you can usually break it by writing rules about changing rules which change rules which change the first rule and loop forever and never output anything. Which is not natural language behaviour, if you ask me.

Plus, the box never talks unless you talk to it. If I was stuck in a box I'd be letter-posting like mad.
 
 
astrojax69
08:34 / 30.01.08
i'd just be screaming' let me out!'...

I'm not necessarily looking for a framework to force myself into, as I am curious about what one gets out of having one. I suppose there's a certain comfort in being able to approach things from the same angle with the same tools all the time

but you actually do have a framework, perhaps so ingrained that you don't see it. mebbe you should go back to some very basic introductory texts, those designed for non-[insert discipline of degree here] bods and see just how much of the basics you know but take for granted. you may be surprised. i suspect the question emanates from self-doubt rather than from actual lack of rigour and frameworks...

for isntance, i taught 'intro to photography' for adults for a while and was constantly amazed at my capacity to ground the insights and lessons back in first principles sort of mid-stream while teaching the classes, yet if you whisked me away right before the lessons and asked me to verbatim recite said principles, i think i would have felt all at sea. mebbe go do some tutoring in the disciplines, give yourself some confidence back in just what you do [patently] know.


btw when are you in canberra next?
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
05:34 / 31.01.08
why not start with the basics and work your way up?

use a taoist/binary model, where ideas and associated words have complimentary pairs. Light-dark, up-down, summer-winter, boy-girl, etc...

Or, read "Hare brain, tortoise mind" by Guy Paxton. He describes the different ways our mind thinks, and how best to take advantage in practical terms. In short form:

1) the part of the mind he calls "d-mode" (the part we use all the time, the analytical, intellectual part) is best used in solving relatively simple problems. That's the hare brain.
2) the part of the mind he calls "the undermind" (the subconscious or unconscious) is best used for large, complex problems that overwhelm "d-mode." This is the tortoise mind.

In order to contemplate something complex, like urban design for example, the way to do so is to expose yourself to as much information as possible when at work, and letting your thoughts roam on the subject.

This daydreaming & contemplation is the tortoise sorting through all the information you've gleaned and making some kind of sense of it.

When the time is right, the tortoise passes the result onto the hare, and it seems like a "Eureka" moment with the lightbulb going on.

I've put this into practice, and it's been rather effective. Also helps to develop one's intuition & reaction time.

hope that's of some help.
 
 
Good Intentions
10:04 / 03.02.08
In my experience you might find more use in sharpening doorstops and forcing them up your nose than you will in reading pop-philosophy. For a start, every example that's passed before my eyes is about as asinine as a gift-shop at Auschwitz, and they have an unfailing habit of condescending to their readers like nobody's business. Added to the fact that I find all those I've read as informative as the wall I throw them against, I can't recommend any example of that blighted, useless genre.

Just offering another opinion, you understand.

There are some very good basic introductory texts, but they are there for you to hit the ground running when you actually make a go at reading the stuff they introduce, and it's not a good idea to base any developed opinions on them. On the other hand, there's an embarrassment of riches of books which are surveys of a particular field, and that's the stuff you should be reading if you're at all interested in that field, whatever it might be.

I can't think of any such books which might help with the OP. Like I said, it's a strange question.
 
  
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