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Fashion trends that you HATE

 
  

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Lea-side
19:10 / 07.04.08
im sorry. what is the problem with quiffs?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
19:36 / 07.04.08
Nothing at all is wrong with quiffs in themselves - as a style they're rather wonderful.

The problem is the reasons some people have - or seem to have, and I'm aware that I'm no mind-reader, and that in fact this whole premise is dodgy - for wearing a certain style or look, which is to say, a kind of ironic re-appropriation (taking something square and making it a symbol of being a hepcat) coupled with an utter self-confidence about the fact that one rules the world and is very important. It's a kind of knowing-but-ignorant mockery, an unpleasant cynicism, which one could only have if one was a spoilt rich white person but hadn't started reading books yet. Perhaps. And then, as the style gets more popular, it becomes accepted as a trend, a group identity, it ceases to be an individual thing, and then it's even worse.

On the other hand, the utter reverence for things exhibited by some people is piss-poor as well but I feel bad taking the piss out of them because they don't seem to know what they're doing (fat people very earnestly dressed up as elves, that sort of thing).

I may be talking utter rubbish, but this is the closest I can get to explaining my reaction.
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
13:52 / 17.04.08
Pussy farts?
 
 
Closed for Business Time
14:17 / 17.04.08
Oh, do shut up.
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
19:32 / 17.04.08
Breefield wrote:

"I can't stand these kinds of polo shirts. They're usually worn with a wife beater underneath. To me at least, they scream social degenerate.

I really don't see them that much, but on occasion...it makes me gag. I'd also like to stereotype the wearer as someone who went to a motocross event the night before and probably owns four wheelers and jet skis. They probably also chew wads of gum so large they look like they're chewing tobacco. I assume you understand what I'm getting at."

I live in the American South, and these things drive me nuts because the are very Walmart-ian (which reveals my weird prejudice). And to a certain extent he is right: they are for social degenerates (but not the people with the four wheelers and so forth, they are very social and generally have a better social dynamic structured around the common interest). The reason you seem them so much is that they are cheap, and with people who shop at walmart there isn't that much variety.

The other people who seem to love it, are the real social degerates: nerds. Not "good" nerds like you and me (hehe). But they are kind of people at the stage where they haven't yet realized the existence of irony. They are the kind of people who seem into Dragon Ball Z, Transformers, etc. and who participate in lots of video game playing and ROTC in full earnestness. To me it connotes social degenerate in the sense of someone who is not engaging (or exploiting) the social systems in the fullest or in a joyful way. Think the Gareth or Dwight in the Office.

I don't hate these people or fell revulsion toward them, but I know I have to engage them in a certain way as to not put them into crazy mode. It is an automatic call for caution.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
02:01 / 18.04.08
The problem is the reasons some people have - or seem to have, and I'm aware that I'm no mind-reader, and that in fact this whole premise is dodgy - for wearing a certain style or look, which is to say, a kind of ironic re-appropriation (taking something square and making it a symbol of being a hepcat) coupled with an utter self-confidence about the fact that one rules the world and is very important.

I think you might have tied yourself into a knot too far with this, AAR; isn't fashion/style for most, really, just a question of getting from home to bar to club and back again, with someone gentle in tow?

Hasn't the sense of entitlement you mention got more to do with having enough cash left to order a cab when the club spits out onto the grey dawn of Picadilly (when one or other of your lot is going to have to sell their arse) than it has to with class prviledges? At sunrise in Manchester, that's when everyone's fucked. Ahead of them is the severed horse's cock and balls that carves the Sunday roast in semen-flecked gravy - that's where you came from, but don't think about it. Chill out, watch Eastenders. Watch Eastenders. Hide.

Clothes are like so many f***ing rags, man, when compared to that level of lived, f***ing experience!

Yeah?
 
 
Twice
05:27 / 18.04.08
At the risk of being a bit curmudgeonly, my problem with the quiffs was (and AAR probably had a great deal of it right AFAIAC) the fact that one chap, slightly older, was clearly rather ahead of the game. He looked great, particularly with the full sleave tatoo accessorised. He was getting lots of attention, and not only from those (hem) old enough to be his mother. It was clear that he liked the look, and it suited him. I liked that he'd chosen a style with a little individuality, and being inspired by past fashion is no bad thing, per se.

What irritated me just a little was watching others round him adding the numbers together and, seeing the effect, aping it. They had these rather pathetic pre-natal quiffettes. I'm reminded a little of a story of Paul Weller as an early Jam teenager playing in a pub with a placard round his neck saying "How can I be a Fucking Revivalist when I'm Only 18", meaning, I think, that he felt he was doing what he was doing because he liked it, and not because he was trying to be anything in particular. Sure enough, though, he became a Mod icon. Earlier Jam album covers seem to me much more inspired by New Wave, but only later, and possibly helped by commercial pressure, inspired by Mod-ism.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
09:53 / 18.04.08
Clothes are like so many f***ing rags, man, when compared to that level of lived, f***ing experience!

You'll never guess which Manchester-based* writer and singer in Manchester-based** electro band Are We Endorsement? has just got himself one of these quiffs. I shit you not. And like someone fondling his first pair of healthy middle class breasts in a park in Fallowfield, thinking about life, man, and cathedrals, and Gary Snyder, I imagine it's hard, hard like a hard cock which is the only way to really live life - man.





*Born elsewhere.
**Went to Uni there.
 
 
Baobab Branches and Plastic
11:37 / 28.05.08
Youth...

...didn't do anything for me!
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
12:28 / 28.05.08
Men wearing capris bugs me.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:07 / 28.05.08
For reasons you can't fully articulate?
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
13:33 / 28.05.08
I figure if you want to wear shorts, wear shorts; if you want to wear pants, wear pants. This 3/4 length in between thing strikes me as being pointless.
Perhaps it's also a personal choice to shun sandals, which is the only footwear which would seem appropriate for mens capris... I am not bothered by people wearing sandals, but I don't like them for myself.
The male capri seems like it comes from a fashion industry desperate for new ideas and merely cloning womens fashions and adapting them for men seems like a cop out. It becomes the seasons new "Must Have" when a good pair of shorts or pants will do.
Perhaps I can't fully articulate why they bug me, but just smacks of trendiness in the worst sense of the word.
And they create godawfull goofy tan-lines...
 
 
Tsuga
22:22 / 28.05.08
Perhaps I can't fully articulate why they bug me
Maybe because it's a usually female fashion on a male? Why else would it bug you? If you dislike capris in general, then say it. Why are stupid tan lines stupid on men and not women, for example?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:30 / 28.05.08
Because women are H0TT?

Having said which, capri pants on women were an adaptation of the perfectly sensible masculine fashion trend of knee-breeches. The same thing happened with trousers, I think.
 
 
grant
02:23 / 29.05.08

HERO.
 
 
Char Aina
03:00 / 29.05.08
Why are stupid tan lines stupid on men and not women, for example?

I don't think he said that, did he? Perhaps he hates stupid tan lines on women too, but is willing to overlook that because of some other positive aspect to the clothing that is accentuated when not worn by a man. Why don't we ask?

Personally I find capri/three quarters a bit of a crime against fashion. I'm more forgiving if the wearer is more attractive, sure, but that works for almost anything. And I'm still not that forgiving.

I think the whole idea of this thread is kinda bizarre, though. Clothes are so subjective, as personal as music. Do we have a music thread about bands who suck? Is it as busy as this one is?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:23 / 29.05.08
These are all important questions.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
14:37 / 29.05.08
I have no problem seeing women's fashions on men at all: whether a goth/emo wearing a granny dress or a dandy wearing a chiffon scarf or a full-blown glam drag-queen.
But capris on men still bug me. They just look wrong. Yesterday I leafed through a GQ and I saw all the companies making them: Hilfiger, Nautica, Calvin Klein...
All the ads made the style seem phoney. I know what an obvious statement that is, but when I see a guy on the street wearing capris, I think "phoney".
It's strange, if a guy was wearing cargo pants rolled up mid-calf, It still bugs me, but not as much...

Look: I believe that this Thread is called "Fashion trends that you HATE". I hate mens Capris. Not because I'm sexist or homophobic, it's because it's subjective (As mentioned) and I don't like them. Simple as that.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:40 / 29.05.08
Do you wear a hunting cap, perhaps, instead?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:45 / 29.05.08
Essential apparel, I feel, when taking aim at the phoneys.

"My brother's in Hollywood being a prostitute", etc...
 
 
All Acting Regiment
15:06 / 29.05.08
A Confederacy of Dunces?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
15:09 / 29.05.08
The key to talking about fashion trends one hates, probably, and I've failed at this, is not to try and justify it, because there probably isn't a justification that's watertight.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:37 / 29.05.08
No, the trick is _to_ justify it, because therein lies the amusement.

Is there a thread for discussing knee breeches?
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
16:17 / 29.05.08
No, the trick is _to_ justify it, because therein lies the amusement.

I like that... Hate is not usually reasonable, and to certain people, those who disagree with your hatred, never justifiable.

Threads of why you embrace a fashion is a better idea.

I doubt I'll post on the Knicker thread (as much as I liked Payne Stewart) but I'll be enthusiastic about the kilt thread.
 
 
Char Aina
17:22 / 29.05.08
These are all important questions.


Read more carefully. I think you may be mistaken.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
11:35 / 30.05.08
Leave my thread alone. I started it to hate smocks and it's better than your thread, which incidentally has not kept people posting in AFD because you never started one. Sucks to be you.

when I see a guy on the street wearing capris, I think "phoney".
It's strange, if a guy was wearing cargo pants rolled up mid-calf, It still bugs me, but not as much...


I understand what you're trying to say here. The cut of capri trousers is very feminised because it actively displays a curve of the body where the trouser leg is hemmed. Your problem isn't with the men wearing the trousers, it's that the aesthetic of the trousers is at odd with almost all other clothing that is regarded as menswear. Capri trousers are more radical than drag because they're not about men dressing in clothing that belongs to the other, they're about the feminisation of the male body and you're allowed to think about that and take a very long time to come to terms with it, you're also allowed to decide that aesthetically it doesn't work.

I do not like capri trousers, I don't think that highlighting the curve of the male leg works because it sits badly with the casual style that capri inhabits. For instance wearing a hoodie or T-shirt with a capri means you're contrasting a giant square block of material that is loose on the torso with a trouser leg that then looks coy. Those elements do not work together on men, they only work on women because the curves balance each other out. I'm going to stop here and see if anyone has a response.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:49 / 30.05.08
I certainly dislike the (camouflaged) long shorts look. I don't know if that's because of the camouflage, or something to do with the informality, or a mixture of the two, or just the specific people wearing them who I don't like.

Informality, there's a thing. There's a lot of it about - both in terms of fashion and, say, Google's headquarters as it appeared in the documentary with the skateboards and the vinyl figures, and the way that Blair would use the phrase 'guys' when adressing a group of voters or politicians.
 
 
Char Aina
15:17 / 30.05.08
I started it to hate smocks and it's better than your thread, which incidentally has not kept people posting in AFD because you never started one.

Popularity is no mark of quality, sucker.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
16:47 / 30.05.08
I certainly dislike the (camouflaged) long shorts look.

I hate the whole camo/military chic thing too. Is it because of 911? The constant war? I hate that the whole war meme has become so popular, it's vaguely patriotic...
It also seems that the people who wear these clothes would probably be the first called up if the draft ever came back...
Can it be that people who wear camo are somehow making a statement? Or is it merely "cool"?
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
18:13 / 30.05.08
Popularity is no mark of quality, sucker.

Please, look at the response, my fashion brain is totally quality. I've hung all of your y-fronts on a washing line after putting them through a spin cycle.
 
 
Shrug
23:20 / 30.05.08
I'll admit to wearing 3-quarter lengths and I am in fact doing so right now.
Generally, they're a result of timeworn full length combats that've gotten progressively ripped until I've had to do some life saving surgery to their lower lengths. I'm not really too keen on above the knee style shorts, though, I mean knees? Why would I want to draw attention to such ungainly protuberances?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
21:14 / 31.05.08
FT: it may be that the camo associates the wearer with real, nasty wars going on right now; on the other hand, we are, by definition, associated with them through tax money in the first place, and I think the real problem is that camo has, qua fashion, been dis-associated from real, nasty wars.

Same goes for Japanese kids wearing Nazi uniforms, which is not a major trend there but is a definite culture none the less. It's the way that something which means something, doesn't stop meaning it, but has that meaning obscured.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:04 / 02.06.08
I hate the whole camo/military chic thing too. Is it because of 911?

No.



I feel old.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:11 / 02.06.08
It doesn't even start there, of course - goes right the way back to the 60s, and has usually been at least intended as a detournement rather than reverential homage. It may have become entirely depoliticised since, but I don't think it can be said to be "vaguely patriotic" either.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
09:03 / 02.06.08
SEE ALSO:



It's unlikely that this is intended as an affectionate tribute to the Coldstream Guards.

I actually really like the military chic thing, in part for the reasons above and noted by my colleague Professor Friedman, but also because it allows one to wear fitted, tailored clothes that are not a suit.
 
  

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